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xrayjay

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hustle INK
on: September 07, 2017, 03:04:09 PM
what balls in the storm umbrella does the hustle ink compare too.

I had a storm heat? I don't remember the name, low end ball. it was a great ball for me on THS first and second shift. I had to polish the solid cover and it was a ball I used for 2 seasons. My low tilt, average AR made medium ball for THS read early.

At this new house/location, I'm seeing a similar pattern and surface as the old house I've bowled in, just longer. And since the HI comes in "solid polish" oob, lower entry, big core compared to the breezes.... I thought this could be the ball I'm looking for after all. I bowl fist and second shift at this house and needing a versatile ball.

But I'm not familiar with balls in the roto grip line. In fact, I haven't been following ball companies and new releases at all. My bag is mix and over lapping, but owning a spinner is helpful - but I'm lazy.

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BowlingforSoup

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Re: hustle INK
Reply #31 on: September 28, 2017, 11:09:27 AM
Luke, tried the breezes the diff is so low It doesn't flare enough for me.They are a ten pin leaving machine.Drilled them weak and strong just not enough flare.Thanks for your input as always.Guess the hectic will be my weakest for now.

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Re: hustle INK
Reply #32 on: September 28, 2017, 11:15:40 AM
Luke, tried the breezes the diff is so low It doesn't flare enough for me.They are a ten pin leaving machine.Drilled them weak and strong just not enough flare.Thanks for your input as always.Guess the hectic will be my weakest for now.

I've owned 3 breezes, 2 pearls and one solid.

Pearl #1 had a 4" pin up and it was a great THS ball under my Solid breeze with a 4.75 pin low pin. These two balls were my THS league balls for two season. The tropical Heat solid was above these two...

Now for my current breeze... HATE IT! Made the mistake drilling this weak. Over under from hell!! great spare ball.
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Luke Rosdahl

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Re: hustle INK
Reply #33 on: September 28, 2017, 11:17:27 AM
I can't get one to look right for me either, my wife has one and yeah it's not great.  They look like they roll and chug really heavily, and then just don't do much, almost like they're fighting against rolling rather than just not doing it.  Those are the new Tropical Storm's though, never had a Breeze. 

Luke, tried the breezes the diff is so low It doesn't flare enough for me.They are a ten pin leaving machine.Drilled them weak and strong just not enough flare.Thanks for your input as always.Guess the hectic will be my weakest for now.
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Re: hustle INK
Reply #34 on: September 28, 2017, 11:22:39 AM
Lol let me break out my rating for it, I've got it a +1 on hook, so it hooks a little more than the price point would suggest, but not a ton.  At box, length is really good on it actually, I think it goes longer than the Hectic does, but it does more on the backend.  If you're wanting to stand on top of the friction, probably not the best option, but if you can move in to find a bit of head oil and bump the track down the lane, it recovers and comes back from anywhere. 

There's nothing on the market between a Hectic and a Tropical Storm though, absolutely nothing.  The Hybrid is stronger than the pearls, but if the Hectic is too much and the Tropical Hybrid isn't enough, you're out of luck, and aside from making a polished solid Tropical, I don't think it's even really possible.  Loco Solid maybe was it, the Hustle Ink is just a slightly stronger version of that.  If you could find a Loco Solid anywhere, that's your answer. 

As much as i "want" this ball, it's not what I'm looking for. I bowl on light oil that breaks down rather quickly. And I bowl on second shift where my starting point is already left of center - where I stand. plus, I'm reading a lot of mix reviews on this ball. It's good on dry, or it's stronger than expected. which is it?

It's tough for a bowler of my specs/style to buy or use coverstocks of today on conditions I bowl on. They hook/read too early, even the low end stuff.

What I"m looking for is a solid that I can play on broken down high friction dry lanes. Or a pearl that doesn't have a quick response.
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Re: hustle INK
Reply #35 on: September 28, 2017, 11:49:52 AM
I realize it isn't the most attractive option to take some of the guts out of an upper level ball, but putting a less dynamic drill on a pearl or hybrid cover ball that has a higher RG (2.53 or more) and moderate diff really can be the way to fill a gap down on the lower end. You get the more active roll from the core but since it is already laying off, the shell and core clear the fronts but it doesn't go nuts as is reaches the back 1/3 of the lane.
Just a thought, since it appears that filling the gap as discussed above doesn't appear to be an option by just buying a ball that fits there with a "traditional" drill.

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Re: hustle INK
Reply #36 on: September 28, 2017, 03:40:29 PM
I realize it isn't the most attractive option to take some of the guts out of an upper level ball, but putting a less dynamic drill on a pearl or hybrid cover ball that has a higher RG (2.53 or more) and moderate diff really can be the way to fill a gap down on the lower end. You get the more active roll from the core but since it is already laying off, the shell and core clear the fronts but it doesn't go nuts as is reaches the back 1/3 of the lane.
Just a thought, since it appears that filling the gap as discussed above doesn't appear to be an option by just buying a ball that fits there with a "traditional" drill.
What kind of layout are you suggesting for that?
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Reply #37 on: September 28, 2017, 05:42:22 PM
As a general rule, since short pins moderate the back end reaction and with a proper layout to lengthen the transition phase, you could then use a hole on or near the PAP to fine tune. 
For instance, (just for discussion) a 15# Match UP pearl would give you an out of the box RG of 2.57 with a .035 diff. That natural length and pearl cover would allow lane play further right, and with a shorter pin paired with a flare reducing hole, you could raise the RG and lower the diff. That creates the opportunity to play the ball into the friction and allow it to use the slower transition and lower strength to not boomerang, but continue to roll.
Could this ball be a disaster? Certainly. I looked at Xrayjay's specs, and his combination of speed, tilt, rotation and rev rate are close to what a friend of mine has. When he moves into a transitioning house pattern, he tends to have the ball snap through the face or stands up early and won't hit if he can't find a spot to play the hold. His ball reads the fronts early and transitions fast due to his forward roll. When he increases his axis rotation he opens the lane up nicely, but it isn't his first choice, or his natural tendency.
Curious about the lane condition that brings this up with Xray. May be better options in regards to lane play than just balling down?

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Re: hustle INK
Reply #38 on: September 28, 2017, 06:18:02 PM
As a general rule, since short pins moderate the back end reaction and with a proper layout to lengthen the transition phase, you could then use a hole on or near the PAP to fine tune. 
For instance, (just for discussion) a 15# Match UP pearl would give you an out of the box RG of 2.57 with a .035 diff. That natural length and pearl cover would allow lane play further right, and with a shorter pin paired with a flare reducing hole, you could raise the RG and lower the diff. That creates the opportunity to play the ball into the friction and allow it to use the slower transition and lower strength to not boomerang, but continue to roll.
Could this ball be a disaster? Certainly. I looked at Xrayjay's specs, and his combination of speed, tilt, rotation and rev rate are close to what a friend of mine has. When he moves into a transitioning house pattern, he tends to have the ball snap through the face or stands up early and won't hit if he can't find a spot to play the hold. His ball reads the fronts early and transitions fast due to his forward roll. When he increases his axis rotation he opens the lane up nicely, but it isn't his first choice, or his natural tendency.
Curious about the lane condition that brings this up with Xray. May be better options in regards to lane play than just balling down?
Fair enough. I figured that was what you were thinking, but wanted to clarify. Interestingly enough, I've never considered using a short pin and a flare reducing hole.
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Re: hustle INK
Reply #39 on: November 15, 2017, 07:35:58 PM
How does the Hustle Ink compare to any of the RG Shouts?
I have a 2013 RG Shout and am wondering if this would be too close to a Hustle Ink?
I also have a 2014 Scream which I suspect is closer to the Hustle Ink in terms of ball reaction?

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Re: hustle INK
Reply #40 on: January 26, 2018, 04:05:14 PM
The Roto Grip Hustle Ink sounds a lot like the Motiv Venom Shock for those that throw 14lb. For those that have throw both in 14lb, I would be interested to hear their thoughts.

On a separate note, sounds like 4000 is the ideal surface for this release but what have others found to be the best layout ?

Longer or shorter pin to PAP ?

Smaller (35*) or larger (70*) angle to VAL ?

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Reply #41 on: January 26, 2018, 04:32:34 PM
a lot of the questions you ask could have  a variety of answers depending upon your speed, tilt and rotation................... no right answer that fits all..............