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thewhiz

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Hot Cell
on: August 09, 2017, 04:37:31 PM
Any idea how a hot cell will compare to a pitch black?

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Re: Hot Cell
Reply #16 on: August 11, 2017, 08:51:40 AM
Desert Ops with S70 is going to get down the lane some, but it's not for burn. S70 is just too strong. A weaker cover (S30 is nice) with more flare would work much better. Cover would ignore the friction up front more and the core would allow enough flare to not hit like dog crap.

That being said, I think the Desert is for shorter patterns where you want the hit of resin without it peeling off the spot. I'll be putting holes in mine soon.
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Re: Hot Cell
Reply #17 on: September 16, 2017, 06:08:40 PM
Just threw the hot cell.  Very strong ball.  Way stronger than the pitch black.  Like 5 boards.  I think you can get that in a weaker reactive ball.

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Re: Hot Cell
Reply #18 on: September 16, 2017, 08:30:11 PM
Curious to see a Hot Cell vs The Crow comparison.  I am guessing its not actually much stronger on THS just carries better with that core.  Just got done today throwing my Sumo for the first time.  Wow was that ball strong especially as its one of the few I have with fingertip grips.  That ball can be used on THS today (I do have a low grit on it also).  It must have been damn near unusable at most houses when it came out 25 years ago.  I am guessing its at least as strong as my Faball Burgundy Hammer if not stronger.
Last Edit: September 16, 2017, 08:57:38 PM by HackJandy
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Re: Hot Cell
Reply #19 on: September 22, 2017, 12:40:07 PM
BTM just posted their Hot Cell review.  Boy stroker wasn't impressed.  With hook rating they have it (44, they tend to rate about 2 to 4 points less than BJ) I still don't think its much stronger than The Crow but does probably have more backend and a bit more carry.  The Crow is the same that it is better on medium than dry patterns.  Maybe someone will do a comparison video sometime.  That would rock as pretty much a hard pass for the Hot Cell for now due to being up to my eyeballs in urethane so I can't.
Last Edit: September 22, 2017, 12:58:37 PM by HackJandy
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Re: Hot Cell
Reply #20 on: September 22, 2017, 01:36:00 PM
BTM took down the Hot Cell review just a few minutes ago.  I was looking at it earlier and now it's gone - weird.

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Re: Hot Cell
Reply #21 on: September 22, 2017, 03:15:30 PM
BTM just posted their Hot Cell review.  Boy stroker wasn't impressed.  With hook rating they have it (44, they tend to rate about 2 to 4 points less than BJ) I still don't think its much stronger than The Crow but does probably have more backend and a bit more carry.  The Crow is the same that it is better on medium than dry patterns.  Maybe someone will do a comparison video sometime.  That would rock as pretty much a hard pass for the Hot Cell for now due to being up to my eyeballs in urethane so I can't.

We either read two completely different reviews, or one of us has a serious reading comprehension deficit.  :o ;D
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Re: Hot Cell
Reply #22 on: September 22, 2017, 04:00:30 PM
You both read two completely different reviews.  BTM changed the review they posted.  Total hook for the Hot Cell went from 44 to 47. 

FWIW, I have The Crow and it's total hook is comparable to the Track Tundra in terms of total boards crossed. In fact on the THS in my local house, The Crow may actually hook more than the Tundra.  BTM gave the Tundra a 48 total hook rating and I believe The Crow would rate about the same.  With that said, I believe the updated assessment of the Hot Cell is more in line with reality.  They may have just made a mistake with the first one posted...

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Re: Hot Cell
Reply #23 on: September 22, 2017, 04:05:10 PM
You both read two completely different reviews.  BTM changed the review they posted.  Total hook for the Hot Cell went from 44 to 47. 

FWIW, I have The Crow and it's total hook is comparable to the Track Tundra in terms of total boards crossed. In fact on the THS in my local house, The Crow may actually hook more than the Tundra.  BTM gave the Tundra a 48 total hook rating and I believe The Crow would rate about the same.  With that said, I believe the updated assessment of the Hot Cell is more in line with reality.  They may have just made a mistake with the first one posted...

Or someone at Roto/Storm read the review and made a phone call asking "What the hell is wrong with you?!?" 


Just to get a good conspiracy theory going...  ;D
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Re: Hot Cell
Reply #24 on: September 22, 2017, 05:11:53 PM
Well the only thing it looked like they changed was the total hook.  The other numbers are the same I believe and they kept the stroker ratings the same so will at least give them credit for that.  I still believe this ball is best for 2handers.  With their revs they don't need to worry as much about release inconsistency with a mass bias core.
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Re: Hot Cell
Reply #25 on: September 25, 2017, 01:10:44 AM
I got a tank rampage and out of the box it carried real well. But now the coverstock has tamed down and my track marks are memorialized in which I'm just getting 9 counts. I'll play around with the surface and see what it does.

I have zero urethane experience. so I'm wondering if the Hot Cell would of been a better buy. My friend bought a Crow and rolled it new out of the box for pure carry and I couldn't carry if my life depended on it.
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Re: Hot Cell
Reply #26 on: September 25, 2017, 05:12:28 AM
You both read two completely different reviews.  BTM changed the review they posted.  Total hook for the Hot Cell went from 44 to 47. 

FWIW, I have The Crow and it's total hook is comparable to the Track Tundra in terms of total boards crossed. In fact on the THS in my local house, The Crow may actually hook more than the Tundra.  BTM gave the Tundra a 48 total hook rating and I believe The Crow would rate about the same.  With that said, I believe the updated assessment of the Hot Cell is more in line with reality.  They may have just made a mistake with the first one posted...

Or someone at Roto/Storm read the review and made a phone call asking "What the hell is wrong with you?!?" 


Just to get a good conspiracy theory going...  ;D

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Re: Hot Cell
Reply #27 on: September 25, 2017, 09:40:41 AM
I got a tank rampage and out of the box it carried real well. But now the coverstock has tamed down and my track marks are memorialized in which I'm just getting 9 counts. I'll play around with the surface and see what it does.

I have zero urethane experience. so I'm wondering if the Hot Cell would of been a better buy. My friend bought a Crow and rolled it new out of the box for pure carry and I couldn't carry if my life depended on it.

Yeah, with urethane I doubt it was the coverstock itself that tamed down as opposed to the surface. Bring the grit back down and the Rampage will probably go right back to what it was when your first threw it.

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Re: Hot Cell
Reply #28 on: September 25, 2017, 10:37:30 AM
Also with urethane don't be afraid of the lower grits as it needs them (surface friction is all you got).  The surface is much different than usually softer reactives and can take it (sanded my old blue hammer by hand which took for ever to get even somewhat scratched, and then did my Burgundy Hammer reactive remake and in 30 seconds had reactive dust all over pants) .  I sometimes even use a brown scotch brite which is like 240 grit on a few of mine.  Go to Home Depot and get some maroon scotch brites (in painting section, equal to like 500 abralon) as they are cheap and really good for touching up the surface of urethanes from time to time by hand without risking taking too much off with a spinner over time.  I touch up after every few sessions.  3000 box to 500 affects ball motion much less than with a reactive.  It will just make it slightly earlier and a bit stronger.  As far as carry that is the drawback to urethane and why they are condition specific for many people.  I am betting that is even true with the Hot Cell.  I still think that ball is made more to give 2 handers a wetter house option than to give one handers reactive carry.  It won't be much better than your tank rampage (a few boards stronger, slightly better carry maybe) imo especially for the price.  I throw urethane to practice and for fun but tend to throw reactives when I need to score due to being speed dominant and bowling mostly on modern synthetics with decent oil.  For most people one urethane ball is plenty for their arsenal maybe two if get a pearl urethane also.  Your choice was very solid and is better for the type of spotty conditions or short oil where urethane may be your best choice to score.  Hot Cell is too much ball often in those cases.
Last Edit: September 25, 2017, 11:39:52 AM by HackJandy
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