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Storm/Roto 1500 Question?
« on: February 09, 2018, 09:19:51 AM »
For those of you who do not like this surface, what surface do you use instead if you want a polished ball? 1000 + Polish, 2000 + Polish? Lets hear some opinions.. Thank you

 

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Re: Storm/Roto 1500 Question?
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2018, 09:22:49 AM »
If I am trying to recreate Storm's surface prep of 1500 polished, I will usually keep things simple and go with 1000 + polish.

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Re: Storm/Roto 1500 Question?
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2018, 09:33:52 AM »
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Re: Storm/Roto 1500 Question?
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2018, 10:27:27 AM »
95% of the time with a polished ball I hit it with a 2000 pad first then directly to polish.
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Re: Storm/Roto 1500 Question?
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2018, 11:04:46 AM »
(Maroon first on full resurface) Grey Scotch Brite + Reacta Shine.  I think technically Storm goes to 4k first but hate that factory finish and need more traction on backend due to my high axis tilt.
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Re: Storm/Roto 1500 Question?
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2018, 01:29:38 AM »
(Maroon first on full resurface) Grey Scotch Brite + Reacta Shine.  I think technically Storm goes to 4k first but hate that factory finish and need more traction on backend due to my high axis tilt.

For a polished ball, I am actually quite close to that.  Maroon, grey, then compound.

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Re: Storm/Roto 1500 Question?
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2018, 04:14:22 AM »
For those of you who do not like this surface, what surface do you use instead if you want a polished ball? 1000 + Polish, 2000 + Polish? Lets hear some opinions.. Thank you

I understand, I think, what you'd like to learn, but, since applying polish has so many human factors, I believe that if you look at 10 different balls, which all start with the same base sanding, you will find 10 different degrees of shine applied by 10 different people.

A good polish will allow you to put on as much of a shine as you need/want. The degree of shine (Of course, reflecting the level of grit in the result) is determined by the amount of polish, how hard you press, while spinning and for how long.

I'd suggest starting out with as base of 750 grit and applying a set amount of polish, like 25 cent sized dollop, and start with mild pressure for 45 seconds per side. Next time apply a next level of pressure. A third time, use firmer pressure.

Next start off with a base sanding grit of 1000 or 1500 grit, with the same sequence of pressure.

The higher your speed/rev rate ratio (the more speed dominant you are), the less shine and the lower base sanding level you need; the lower your speed/rev rate ratio (the more rev dominant you are), the more shine, and the finer start grit level, you need.

It sounds tedious, but what yo work out for you will hold true for your game for a long time. And you will easily learn what works for you best on different oil patterns and with different strength balls.

FWIW my best alternative to Storm's "1500 grit polished" is sanding to 750 grit, applying Storm's Xtra Shine, about a nickel sized dollop, for about 30 seconds per 4 sides, or 45 seconds per 2 sides. Xtra Shine is extra abrasive; that's why I use so little.
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Re: Storm/Roto 1500 Question?
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2018, 02:40:03 PM »
(Maroon first on full resurface) Grey Scotch Brite + Reacta Shine.  I think technically Storm goes to 4k first but hate that factory finish and need more traction on backend due to my high axis tilt.

For a polished ball, I am actually quite close to that.  Maroon, grey, then compound.

Yeah recently picked up some Brunswick compound and have been experimenting with it.  Probably what I will mostly use it for is when I want to put a mirror polish on my wife's ball I go maroon and then can use compound to gradually raise surface to 3 to 4k or so before I put on the beans polish as it saves having to have multiple incremental steps and wear on my middle/higher grit pads.
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Re: Storm/Roto 1500 Question?
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2018, 11:09:51 PM »
Vise slip agent has petroleum products in it to get the slip but not animal fat.  I only use that on wife and son's plastic and urethane balls though.  Only have the Brunswick compound.  Use Storm, Bean's and some Black Magic (which use only for spare ball) for my polishes.
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Re: Storm/Roto 1500 Question?
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2018, 04:24:26 AM »
Whatever you use just make sure it doesn’t have animal fat in it.

I think it was Brunswick that marketed a polish that had animal fat in it and it just ruined balls. Couldn’t get the stuff out of the ball and it changed the composition of the reactive resin. I’ve had several old timers tell this over the years.

How long ago was this?

I have not had such problems with their polish and compounds in a long time.
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