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Alpha Crux
on: November 27, 2017, 09:14:51 PM
Why did they stop producing the alpha Crux?  Should have kept producing them like the hyroad and the Iq Tour.

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Re: Alpha Crux
Reply #16 on: November 30, 2017, 04:56:55 PM
Luckily I posted the article (link below to the article no longer works) about the lawsuit, so I found it. Looks like they still produced the ball and released it nearly 3 months after settling and kept it on the market for 11 months. I think it ran its course and Storm pulled it for the newest next greatest ball ever. I do not think it was canned due to the lawsuit. The Crux series was probably canned due to the lawsuit as mention in the posts above though.

link for the thread
http://www.ballreviews.com/storm/alpha-crux-and-phaze-announced-t309988.0.html

https://rpx-docs.s3.amazonaws.com/lits/734/44011/utdce-94843.pdf?Signature=2WiqWRlW0YC0tb3VHmdIRGQY3MI%3D&Expires=1450897709&AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAI2UWKALIEYBVOKDA

Storm and Mo* settled, allowing Storm to continue making the Crux core, but MoRich/Brunswick reached a settlement with Storm. I think this is Storm, shaking their tail at Brusnwick with the whole "Alpha" deal. Let us not forget that this should be stronger than the Crux. Maybe nudging one of the Guru's off the hook perch? We'll see. A 70 day early leak though? That's insane.

Sounds like Storm learned the hard way its not easy to out Mo Mr. Pinel without stepping on his R&D.  Credit for following through on releasing the ball to market though.
Last Edit: November 30, 2017, 04:58:55 PM by HackJandy
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Re: Alpha Crux
Reply #17 on: December 01, 2017, 12:58:35 AM
When I first saw the Crux core, it reminded me of the LevRG core Mo made in 2010 in which he removed mass from the center of the core, to show that removing mass would do the same thing as adding mass there like a peg. Take the Gas Mask Core for instance, in which mass was added as the gas mask filters. Then the next gen core they removed the filters protruding out and removed the same amount of material going in. Black Window vs Taboo.

I wasnt that impressed with the Crux core and scratched my head on why it took 10 years to make it. Perhaps it was the cost of producing the core molds in that complex shape.

On the consumer level, I think the RAD X,4,E cores are producing better results for the average league bowler than the Crux core and that it has run its course and consumers moved on.

As for Mo, if hes like me, Im sure he was excited to see the concept out there and wanted to see how well it would do and let them produce the design for perhaps $10 each. I doubt if much was paid in legal fees and it was just a phone call and letter.
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Re: Alpha Crux
Reply #18 on: December 01, 2017, 08:22:40 AM
Not going to debate whether or not RAD cores are producing better results than the Crux cores.  However, some of those RAD cores are wrapped in weaker coverstocks (Code series) and covers dominate ball reaction.

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Re: Alpha Crux
Reply #19 on: December 01, 2017, 10:09:12 AM
At this time, that is true.  But it wouldn't surprise me to see some stronger coverstocks on this core, or a version of it in future releases. Maybe as the replacement for the Sure Lock.  They have run stronger covers in the past with earlier version RAD cores

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Re: Alpha Crux
Reply #20 on: December 01, 2017, 01:31:04 PM
Not going to debate whether or not RAD cores are producing better results than the Crux cores.  However, some of those RAD cores are wrapped in weaker coverstocks (Code series) and covers dominate ball reaction.

I retract that statement.

On the RAD 4 cores, I see limited success with them. Sort of hit and miss because of the weaker cover stock. Bowlers I've seen don't know when to use them in league play and don't take the time to tune them, yet get excited about them in practice.

However flashing back 2 years ago when the first Crux came out, I remember seeing many low skilled palm bowlers rolling like rock stars and they couldn't miss. People were asking them to sub all the time, (They became Bona Fide real bowlers). But as the ball diminished, so did there level of play and the sub gigs faded away.

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I went up against an opposing team with 2 Alpha Crux's last Friday night. That ball looks good and can turn hard if need be. But I rolled 254 with the Intense against them.
Last Edit: December 04, 2017, 05:33:58 PM by jkirkerx
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Re: Alpha Crux
Reply #21 on: December 01, 2017, 07:34:25 PM
Here you go.  $200 is reasonable for NOS if that ball is that killer.  Got quoted $300 for a once drilled Quantum Helix in last few days (great condition but yeah hard pass) so seen worse.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Storm-Alpha-Crux-bowling-ball-New-Undrilled-15lb/162774659779?hash=item25e62032c3:g:7-8AAOSwc~laGdsh
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Re: Alpha Crux
Reply #22 on: December 04, 2017, 08:36:43 AM
To answer the original poster ....... my understanding is Mo Pinel sued Storm for patent infringement for the core design.  A settlement was reached where Storm could continue producing the core, with a percentage of sales going to Mo Pinel.


It's all in the numbers .... it makes no sense to continue making NEW balls where there is less profit margin.  It is more cost effective to make a new core and tell Mo to pound sand.



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Re: Alpha Crux
Reply #23 on: December 04, 2017, 10:37:57 AM
To answer the original poster ....... my understanding is Mo Pinel sued Storm for patent infringement for the core design.  A settlement was reached where Storm could continue producing the core, with a percentage of sales going to Mo Pinel.


It's all in the numbers .... it makes no sense to continue making NEW balls where there is less profit margin.  It is more cost effective to make a new core and tell Mo to pound sand.

My understanding is Mo was being fairly reasonable.  The man's IP is how he makes his living and he has done as much or more for bowling ball tech as anyone in the industry.  Storm I am sure would defend its IP as well.  Still as you say makes business sense to find a new core.
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