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LuckyLefty

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IQ Tour Fusion, perceptions of Hype....changing..maybe
« on: December 16, 2014, 10:00:45 AM »
I read this description from Storm's site and it sounds great

https://www.stormbowling.com/products/balls/iqtourfusion

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Both feature the C3â„¢ Centripetal Control Core which is engineered to yield ample midlane roll and smooth out the transition.

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The “Gold Ball,” however, is a one of a kind in that it creates a lot of entry angle with a long transition. Most bowling balls which enter the pocket so steeply have a much shorter transition

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What does this mean to you? More entry angle with more control!

Well though I had seen this control in the Solid and Pearl I had not seen it in the Fusion.   I noticed most of the ones drilled for our big hands guys were very weak pin to Pap.  They were dramatically over under to my eye!

All of sudden lately I'm seeing some stronger drilled ones that are smoother left in box.  These stronger drills in the 4.5  pin to Pap range...,Also, I'm seeing some of the ones drilled that I thought were drilled too weak for the low flare core(over the bridge and near 5.5 to 6 pin to PAP), and noted these same bowlers have scuffed up and are now getting some great results.

In light of the above.....

In light of attached video here......."Punch out vs IQ tour Fusion",  at the 1:12 minute mark!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0jrjj_-1Zk 

I was much more impressed with the Punch out at this point....yet at the same time on a wet dry......?

I'm still intrigued by these quotes and sort of get them...(being a long time fan of lower flare balls.....

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The “Gold Ball,” however, is a one of a kind in that it creates a lot of entry angle with a long transition. Most bowling balls which enter the pocket so steeply have a much shorter transition

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What does this mean to you? More entry angle with more control!

Your thoughts, top hat wet dry killer and something special or Just Hype?

Regards,

Luckylefty
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Re: IQ Tour Fusion, perceptions of Hype....changing..maybe
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2014, 10:09:51 AM »
most of the Fusions I have seen around me have been pretty angular with a quick transition. 2 of the layouts I know are around 4-4.25" pin-to-pap with a low val angle in the 20-30 range.

the IQ Pearl is one that has confused me and I think received too much hype when there are other balls that can do the same thing at a cheaper price. I've seen IQ pearl's really labor downlane and struggle to continue through the pocket but I have also seen a few that were quite angular and had good continuation.

LuckyLefty

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Re: IQ Tour Fusion, perceptions of Hype....changing..maybe
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2014, 11:17:38 AM »
SV Star,

Thanks for your thoughts.....I have seen some of the Pearls do that also.

Then I have seen some really sweet pearls also....

Other thoughts?  I am really looking for some of that long transition talked about...

Regards,,,

Luckylefty
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Gene J Kanak

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Re: IQ Tour Fusion, perceptions of Hype....changing..maybe
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2014, 11:32:25 AM »
I have the solid, pearl, and fusion IQ's, and I love all three in the right circumstances. For me, all are drilled pin below ring or bridge (with the exception of a second IQ Fusion that has pin above ring). The IQ Tour Solid is kept at box finish or a light 2000, the original Fusion is at box, the second Fusion is at a high-gloss polish, and the IQ Tour Pearl was always kept at a lightly-scuffed 2000 (before it cracked).

Of the entire line, the Pearl and Fusion were my favorites. The Solid is great too, but it's really only good for me when the lanes are tough and I need control. It's not a ball I go to when I'm really looking to attack/score.

In any case, for me, the Fusion is a perfect all-around ball. It has good midlane control without being too early, and it has good backend motion without being snappy or over-under for me.

The Pearl was terrible for me at box finish (1500 polished). In that finish, it was too long and too angular. My carry was terrible with it, and it was very unpredictable. As such, I hit it with a light 2000 pad, and boy did that ball come to life. I still got more than enough push to clear the fronts on all but complete burn, but now the backend was smoothed out and much more rounded. The thing that always got me about the pearl though was the fact that even from deep inside, the ball had a way of getting through the pin deck and promoting great carry. Usually, I have to sacrifice continuation in order to get push from those angles, but it wasn't the case with the Goldie.

All in all, these balls are just like all others. They have to be matched up properly to the bowler and conditions using a combination of layout and surface prep. For me, none of the IQ Tour balls have been overhyped in the least. I think that I can use the three I have/had (rest in peace, Goldie!) to combat 95% of the conditions I'll see. If you're not matching up well with them, try some surface changes or a redrill. If that doesn't work, it's possible that there is just something about those core/cover matchups that don't fit your game and what you like to see, but I doubt that. Do some experimenting, and I think you'll find that line of balls as good as anything out there!

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Re: IQ Tour Fusion, perceptions of Hype....changing..maybe
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2014, 11:36:01 AM »
I actually picked up a Columbia Blur Pearl a few weeks ago and I have absolutely killed our house shot averaging 235+. I ended up with a 70 x 4.25 x 35 layout, ball gets easy length through the heads and has an angular but controllable reaction downlane. The only time I've ever run into trouble with it is because of operator error when I've severely pulled it inside.
I feel like if I had gone with a longer transition phase like a 60 x 5 x 60 layout it might have been a little too weak without adding a hole to increase the flare.

I've always gone against suggesting the IQ Tour Pearl to people because I felt like they could accomplish the same reaction with a cheaper option. I was actually considering buying an IQ Tour Pearl when I realized balls with lower rg seemed to roll the best for me. To me I think the gold ball can be really condition specific depending on the bowler, but for some I think it might roll really well for. It had me considering it even though I had always been against it

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Re: IQ Tour Fusion, perceptions of Hype....changing..maybe
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2014, 12:09:03 PM »
The IQ Tour Pearl has the most unique roll on the market, there's literally nothing else like it.  Because of that, if you don't use it right, it could be terrible for you.  The IQ Tour line is more built for tournament or sport conditions, so if they aren't quite as "good" as other options on some house shots, that's not too surprising.  From what I've seen, and I've seen a ton of these, the IQ TP works best for heavier hands playing deep.  It doesn't lose energy or roll out, and the longer transition allows them to catch it all at the bottom while still getting enough push and creating angle. 

The Fusion on the other hand is still very interesting.  The ones I've seen are VERY clean at the breakpoint.  Midlane control is good, it's versatile and controllable, but when it hits friction and turns on the backend, it changes direction and moves quickly.  I haven't seen a sensitive Fusion.  The coverstock prep could cause it to be weak or squirty on carrydown, but you can say that about ANY ball with polish on it. 
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Re: IQ Tour Fusion, perceptions of Hype....changing..maybe
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2014, 12:27:40 PM »
I appreciate all the comments, well informed and well considered!

At this time I own none of the IQ tours!  Nor have I!  However, I am considering it!

Along the lines of the Blur, funny I have the Solid Red Purple, like it and the Hybrid, (don't like it much) drilled pin in ring(about 5 1/4 for me)  Way to smooth, can only get it to hit in very easy centers where I move strongly left!  Not much movement on this ball with this drill for me.

The Yellow blur....hmmmm interesting!

Thoughts of all above regarding the comparison of the Punch Out vs the IQ Fusion on a wet/dry house shot? 

Thanks,

Luckierlefty
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Re: IQ Tour Fusion, perceptions of Hype....changing..maybe
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2014, 12:57:52 PM »
I think the comparison between the IQ Tour Pearl and the Punch Out comes down to 1 variable. I think that's oil volume, with more volume I'd probably go with the IQ because of the low rg

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Re: IQ Tour Fusion, perceptions of Hype....changing..maybe
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2014, 03:17:40 PM »
I have both the IQ Fusion and the Punch Out. My plan was to have the Punch Out replace my deceased IQ Tour Pearl in the spot directly underneath my low-pin, box-finish IQ Fusion.

I've found that the Punch out is good in some respects, but it is no IQ Tour Pearl replacement. Compared to my Fusion, the Punch out is noticeably cleaner through the front part of the lane and noticeably snappier off of the spot. Truthfully, the Punch Out reminds me more of my old Hyroad Pearl than it does the IQ Tour Pearl.

If you don't have massive volume up front and you have some friction down the lane, the Punch Out can be an absolute destroyer. It recovers beautifully if missed just a little wide, and it holds and still has enough to carry if missed slightly inside; nevertheless, on tougher patterns, I still find myself yearning for the great roll Goldie used to give me when I had to move inside. As such, I've taken to adjusting the surface on my second IQ Fusion in hopes of replicating what I once had. If I can't, I may just bite the bullet and get a second Goldie.

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Re: IQ Tour Fusion, perceptions of Hype....changing..maybe
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2014, 10:33:03 PM »
Gene,

Thanks for the thorough comments!  Are your Punch out and Fusion drilled the same?

Regards,

Luckylefty
PS Gene, did you ever have a Freakin Frantic?  If yes how do you think the Punch out compares.....I find my Freakin very very responsive off the dry but I am forced deep!
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Re: IQ Tour Fusion, perceptions of Hype....changing..maybe
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2014, 11:41:22 PM »
The hype is controlling the break point for the masses...if it works for the majority..people will hype it up
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Re: IQ Tour Fusion, perceptions of Hype....changing..maybe
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2014, 06:41:25 AM »
Bill,

Do you think it controls the break point?  Just curious...

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Re: IQ Tour Fusion, perceptions of Hype....changing..maybe
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2014, 07:58:36 AM »
Lefty,

The Punch Out has the pin above the bridge, which is similar (possibly identical) to my second IQ Fusion; however, my primary IQ Fusion is pin under bridge. I haven't thrown the pin-up Fusion nearly as much as the pin down, and I also just got done altering the surface on the pin-up version to try to see if I can make it like my IQ Tour Pearl. Long story short, I need to throw the pin-up ball a bit more before I can tell you how it compares to the Punch Out.

As for the Freakin' Frantic, no, I never drilled one of those, and I haven't seen very many thrown in my area. From what I've heard, that ball is very, very strong off the spot. That surprises me a bit since the original Frantic was very smooth in my opinion. That was one of my favorite balls of all time!