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Amoyensis

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Help please, how to drill my new Track balls
« on: August 07, 2018, 07:26:21 AM »
Hi all,

I am playing bowling now for over 1 year with a kind of talent. I started with 14 lbs and I'm going up to 15 right now. Buildung a complete new inventory under the ebonite umbrella.

I start playing league now and I bought a Paradox Black and a Tundra. My problem now is, that I don't know, which layouts I should choose.
The Tundra should be for dry or short lanes, the Paradox basically for medium to high. A columbia 300 eruption pro blue will join the two soon ( as performance ball maybe).

So should I choose the short layout for the Tundra? Or would the combination of "short layout +  a ball made for dry patterns" be too much? What should I use for the Paradox Black?
Someone told me, I should use one layout in all balls to learn the different reactions of them. But what would be a layout to use in both (or all three of them)?
I also wrote to track support once, but never got an answer.

My style is tweener with medium speed ( ~16 mph) and low-medium revs.

Thanks in advance!

 

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Re: Help please, how to drill my new Track balls
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2018, 11:47:14 AM »
Do you have any good pro shops in your area?  Perhaps ask some of the other people you bowl with who they trust.  I could throw out some generic layout like 4x4x2 that works well for most people (what I find myself using more and more, with stats not that much different than your own) but your PSO is a professional at watching you bowl and getting you exactly what you need.  Also as a newer bowler especially with lower revs its far too easy to stress out too much about layouts.  Ball surface is much more impactful to ball reaction and layouts are more a fine tuning thing.  In fact with symmetric core balls (all you mentioned but your Paradox) the only thing that really matters is the pin to pap distance in my opinion.
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Re: Help please, how to drill my new Track balls
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2018, 03:10:31 PM »
BowlingForDonuts gave some good advise.  Always talk to your local driller who can watch you bowl and give you feedback based on that.  Layouts are not as important as surface (and surface can be adjusted by the bowler).

A new bowler has many more variables in their game that will affect the ball motion more than the layout.  Variances in ball speed, hand release, ball trajectory (launch angle), rev rate, approach direction (drifting), etc.
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Re: Help please, how to drill my new Track balls
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2018, 09:41:08 PM »
Good Pro shop operator is who you need to see.
Ball motion is influenced most by the ball surface - (50%)
Pin-pap distance - 25%
core strength - 15%
layouts/tweaks - 10%

so don't sweat pin up or pin down, its pretty minor compared to the surface prep on your ball

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Re: Help please, how to drill my new Track balls
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2018, 06:33:24 PM »
I don’t know what you mean by short layout so I can’t comment on that. I’ll have to get schooled on that.

Since your a beginner and probably don’t want to learn over the course of 100 balls, like I did, this is basic advice.

For heavy oil balls, like your paradox, crank up the layout. Pin strong and kick
that mass bias out. Sort of like the 4x4x2 mentioned earlier. I would go pin up so it hooks more in the back. My thinking is make strong balls stronger.

For the dry lane ball, I would drill it weak. Like pin down under the middle finger and the CG kicked out above the thumb. This will conserve ball energy and get it down the lane straighter and farther and then hook left. My thinking is make weak balls weaker to conserve precious energy.

Working with your PSO is a good idea; have them watch you bowl and make a reccomendation. But sometimes that’s not in your best interest. Some PSO”s will make the strong ball weaker and the weak ball stronger for your instant gradification and their praise as the best.

Just my 2 cents and personal humble opinion.
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Re: Help please, how to drill my new Track balls
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2018, 12:04:28 AM »
I think what he means by short layout (I was questioning that before my first post) is Track's recommended symmetrical layouts have one for short oil patterns. 

http://d35i822p4wlwzc.cloudfront.net/res/uploads/products/files/Track_Drill-Sheet_19.pdf

They call it Max Control in the above link.

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Re: Help please, how to drill my new Track balls
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2018, 01:11:23 AM »
Thanks!
Just looked at the sheet and now I see why he asked for help.

When I first looked at those sheets, I thought low flare meant that I knew I was  a
low flare bowler and that was my layout; but it’s the opposite. It means if you want low flare then drill it this way. You can desire high flare if you choose. You can drill a ball high flare, and still produce low flare because you have no clue on how to hook the ball; that’s bowling which require some skill still. M

They say core is 50%, cover 30%, layout 20%. Many may argue over the exact percentage, But to make the layout actually make a difference, requires decent skills.

I know you want to get it right, but there are too many variables to calculate that are beyond human comprehension and physics until you experience at least 25 balls.

That my 10 cents and my opinion.

I think what he means by short layout (I was questioning that before my first post) is Track's recommended symmetrical layouts have one for short oil patterns. 

http://d35i822p4wlwzc.cloudfront.net/res/uploads/products/files/Track_Drill-Sheet_19.pdf

They call it Max Control in the above link.
I have 23 bowling balls at the moment, mostly Motiv, Storm/Rotogrip
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