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A Glimpse at the 2017 USBC Pattern
« on: February 21, 2017, 02:58:22 PM »

Here's a question from what I saw the other day.

While we know that BowlTV will not be showing any live streams of the USBC Open, they didn't say anything of any single shot clips being posted; one of which was recently put on the USBC's Facebook page of Brianna Cote taking on the pattern.

Now, while you can't tell if that was in Team or D/S, the fact that you can see an actual shot being thrown says a lot about the tournament in itself.

So here's the question: how much would you take out of one shot being thrown, especially for this tournament? I ask, because this and a few other short clips may be all that you'll see in regards to preparation for taking on the pattern.

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Re: A Glimpse at the 2017 USBC Pattern
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2017, 12:16:07 PM »
We use plastic up 15 and lots of surface (500) around 1st arrow. Top 12 last year and top 30 year before that.

We went with 500 or so up the outside, but we neglected the plastic balls to build hold. Do you normally just go 5 and 5 as far as who is doing what?

Shot makers use surface out, I've said it before, I'll say it again, guys THINK they're hitting 5, they either go through 11 to 5 or go up 8-9 never touching 5.

With that said, 6 of us use plastic up 15 and 4 with surface at 5. Last 2 min everyone actually tries to strike. If everyone uses surface to start they get too wet/dry.
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Re: A Glimpse at the 2017 USBC Pattern
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2017, 12:28:24 PM »
Sadly Keg, you are correct. Somebody will do it. Why is it so hard for people to follow the rules when they don't go their way? Even worse, the poor people who will watch the video and have incomplete information will screw themselves up and usually end up not watching what the lane and the ball tell them when they arrive. Don't get me wrong... I hate the fact that most of us come in once a year to bowl on a condition we don't frankly see often enough, and yes, I'd like to be more prepared and carry more equipment... but  those are my choices and rules are rules. If we don't like them, we try to get our voices heard and change them... Otherwise, we bowl, we learn, we do better next time.

Though I understand rule following and the such, but this new rule is ridiculous.  It is similar to forcing everyone to use urethane and pancake blocks.  Why are we trying to eliminate technology in all things bowling?  What is the purpose of trying to be so secretive in an event that lasts 5 MONTHS?  I just don't get it.

The pros can watch XtraFrame in advance of their squad.  Golfers can watch the early rounds before they tee off.  I can't think of any other event in all of sport that has as many people competing and yet the organizer will not allow anyone to watch outside of the venue. 

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Re: A Glimpse at the 2017 USBC Pattern
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2017, 12:42:35 PM »
Sadly Keg, you are correct. Somebody will do it. Why is it so hard for people to follow the rules when they don't go their way? Even worse, the poor people who will watch the video and have incomplete information will screw themselves up and usually end up not watching what the lane and the ball tell them when they arrive. Don't get me wrong... I hate the fact that most of us come in once a year to bowl on a condition we don't frankly see often enough, and yes, I'd like to be more prepared and carry more equipment... but  those are my choices and rules are rules. If we don't like them, we try to get our voices heard and change them... Otherwise, we bowl, we learn, we do better next time.

Though I understand rule following and the such, but this new rule is ridiculous.  It is similar to forcing everyone to use urethane and pancake blocks.  Why are we trying to eliminate technology in all things bowling?  What is the purpose of trying to be so secretive in an event that lasts 5 MONTHS?  I just don't get it.

The pros can watch XtraFrame in advance of their squad.  Golfers can watch the early rounds before they tee off.  I can't think of any other event in all of sport that has as many people competing and yet the organizer will not allow anyone to watch outside of the venue. 


You're kidding. The amount of people soaking their tampons because the "special patterns" suited the better players was mind boggling. These people cried and cried and cried and cried some more not realizing "hiding" the pattern hurts them instead. I'd bet these same people thought Obamacare and the ACA were different things.
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Re: A Glimpse at the 2017 USBC Pattern
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2017, 01:51:08 PM »
To echo that statement, it's generally the BOWLERS who do the most complaining about how USBC let technology "ruin the sport." Now, they're limiting tech in one capacity to keep people from getting an advantage, and people are complaining about that. We can't have it both ways. Either we want to embrace technology or we don't. Now, to be clear, I liked the live streaming and pattern announcements. To me, having the pattern out doesn't give anyone a true advantage unless they get to practice on the championship lanes. Aside from that, with all the variables that impact how patterns play from one center to the next, all anyone ever had was a general idea as to how the patterns would play, and, to be honest, they always play somewhat similarly. You want to break down the outside, try to create some hold inside, and make quality shots. That's what it takes to do well there, not practicing on the pattern or having a magic ball. Still, this was USBC trying to respond to bowler complaints, and all they get is more in return.

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Re: A Glimpse at the 2017 USBC Pattern
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2017, 02:42:28 PM »
To echo that statement, it's generally the BOWLERS who do the most complaining about how USBC let technology "ruin the sport." Now, they're limiting tech in one capacity to keep people from getting an advantage, and people are complaining about that. We can't have it both ways. Either we want to embrace technology or we don't. Now, to be clear, I liked the live streaming and pattern announcements. To me, having the pattern out doesn't give anyone a true advantage unless they get to practice on the championship lanes. Aside from that, with all the variables that impact how patterns play from one center to the next, all anyone ever had was a general idea as to how the patterns would play, and, to be honest, they always play somewhat similarly. You want to break down the outside, try to create some hold inside, and make quality shots. That's what it takes to do well there, not practicing on the pattern or having a magic ball. Still, this was USBC trying to respond to bowler complaints, and all they get is more in return.

I completely agree with your statement about the championship lanes.  I bowled on the Team Pattern about 5 times at a local house before going to Reno.  Then I bowled two practice sessions in Reno.  Those 7 sessions all felt similar for the most part.  The championship lanes were 7 boards different when I started! A true punch in the gut to get familiar with my gear and get ready for anything.
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Re: A Glimpse at the 2017 USBC Pattern
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2017, 03:14:16 PM »
That's what far too many people fail to understand. Differences in lane machine, oil used, lane surface, age/topography of said surface, etc. make it impossible for anyone to perfectly replicate the pattern. You can get close and get a general idea of what to expect, but I think most bowlers get that just from looking at pattern graphs. I've been to Nationals 6-7 times now, and the lanes have played VERY similarly each and every time. Yes, there have been differences year to year, but the basics are the same. The patterns will always be in the medium ranges for length and volume in order to promote players being able to attack from multiple angles. Like with any Sport compliant condition, you want smooth, controllable balls with some surface early on to blend things out. Skid/flip balls built for house shots generally don't do you much good. Teams will look to create hook out and create hold in. I mean, even though they're not releasing the patterns this year, my group will use the same basic plan of attack we always use. As such, I think this move is more window dressing than a move that will actually impact the outcome. The only thing it does for me is bum me out because I always enjoy watching the live streams.

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Re: A Glimpse at the 2017 USBC Pattern
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2017, 08:11:15 PM »
Five minutes of video of bowlers on the pattern is plenty. See where the out of bounds is on the gutter and what kind of hold is in the middle and prepare from there.

No matter the lengths etc it doesn't vary much year to year on where they force bowlers to try and play with minimal area. As mentioned break point is the 10 board tracer down lane.
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Re: A Glimpse at the 2017 USBC Pattern
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2017, 11:20:31 AM »
While preparation is vital in all sports, it only gets you so far.  The ability to anticipate and adjust quickly is what separates great bowlers from the pack.  I keep an open mind, try different paths to the pocket, and trust my gut.  Engraining expectations in your head on how the shot will play can really work against you.

I'd like to see a light activated dye used in the oil. The lanes get oiled with the lights off then before practice the lights go on and the dye activates revealing the pattern.  That would make things interesting. 
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Re: A Glimpse at the 2017 USBC Pattern
« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2017, 11:58:00 AM »
I keep an open mind, try different paths to the pocket, and trust my gut.  Engraining expectations in your head on how the shot will play can really work against you.


This is what I like to use when people ask questions about a pattern. The graph may say it'll play a certain way or you may practice on similar patterns, but there is no guarantee when it's time to bowl the event.

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Re: A Glimpse at the 2017 USBC Pattern
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2017, 07:21:16 PM »
Entries to nationals have been dropping for several years.   I expect an up tick this year because of the new stadium in Vegas, but look for a major drop next year, partly due to new policies.  I am only going this year because a bunch of long time friends wanted on their team

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Re: A Glimpse at the 2017 USBC Pattern
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2017, 10:51:51 AM »
Nationals is pretty much the same from year to year. It's not a house shot, so the house shot heroes get flustered, start flinging charcoal down 12, shimwreck themselves, fry, and cry about how better bowlers are ruining what is a fun tournament.

It's not a super tough pattern anytime. It's just lane management and working as a team. Teamwork when it comes to bowling is more than just figuring out which bowler goes when.

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Re: A Glimpse at the 2017 USBC Pattern
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2017, 01:49:54 PM »
Nationals is pretty much the same from year to year. It's not a house shot, so the house shot heroes get flustered, start flinging charcoal down 12, shimwreck themselves, fry, and cry about how better bowlers are ruining what is a fun tournament.

It's not a super tough pattern anytime. It's just lane management and working as a team. Teamwork when it comes to bowling is more than just figuring out which bowler goes when.

A lot of guys have a fundamental issue shooting 580. It wasnt until I learned if me shooting 580-600 leads to 3 of my teammates slamming 730s+, im ok with that. Playing straight isnt my forte, I just try to be patient so I can get in and bang on it.
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Re: A Glimpse at the 2017 USBC Pattern
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2017, 04:25:49 PM »
Nationals is pretty much the same from year to year. It's not a house shot, so the house shot heroes get flustered, start flinging charcoal down 12, shimwreck themselves, fry, and cry about how better bowlers are ruining what is a fun tournament.

It's not a super tough pattern anytime. It's just lane management and working as a team. Teamwork when it comes to bowling is more than just figuring out which bowler goes when.

A lot of guys have a fundamental issue shooting 580. It wasnt until I learned if me shooting 580-600 leads to 3 of my teammates slamming 730s+, im ok with that. Playing straight isnt my forte, I just try to be patient so I can get in and bang on it.

As long as you don't push the all button in brackets, that's fine. #backtherighthorse

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Re: A Glimpse at the 2017 USBC Pattern
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2017, 05:53:16 PM »
Nationals is pretty much the same from year to year. It's not a house shot, so the house shot heroes get flustered, start flinging charcoal down 12, shimwreck themselves, fry, and cry about how better bowlers are ruining what is a fun tournament.

It's not a super tough pattern anytime. It's just lane management and working as a team. Teamwork when it comes to bowling is more than just figuring out which bowler goes when.

A lot of guys have a fundamental issue shooting 580. It wasnt until I learned if me shooting 580-600 leads to 3 of my teammates slamming 730s+, im ok with that. Playing straight isnt my forte, I just try to be patient so I can get in and bang on it.

As long as you don't push the all button in brackets, that's fine. #backtherighthorse

 Max the brackets and split 5 ways.
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Re: A Glimpse at the 2017 USBC Pattern
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2017, 10:35:36 PM »
Nationals is pretty much the same from year to year. It's not a house shot, so the house shot heroes get flustered, start flinging charcoal down 12, shimwreck themselves, fry, and cry about how better bowlers are ruining what is a fun tournament.

It's not a super tough pattern anytime. It's just lane management and working as a team. Teamwork when it comes to bowling is more than just figuring out which bowler goes when.

A lot of guys have a fundamental issue shooting 580. It wasnt until I learned if me shooting 580-600 leads to 3 of my teammates slamming 730s+, im ok with that. Playing straight isnt my forte, I just try to be patient so I can get in and bang on it.

As long as you don't push the all button in brackets, that's fine. #backtherighthorse

 Max the brackets and split 5 ways.

Now that's real teamwork.