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Author Topic: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament  (Read 9762 times)

Mighty Fish

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Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« on: July 08, 2013, 04:38:19 PM »
Some people claim that the scores in the USBC Open Tournament are way too high, and they point to the high number of honor scores in attempting to make that point.

However, once again this year, the OVERALL averages of the tournament field are far from "too high" (as the following breakdown of this year's USBC Open clearly indicate) ...

* REGULAR TEAM ... 173.6 (120,335 games)
* REGULAR DOUBLES/SINGLES ... 173.8 (233,203 games)
* CLASSIFIED TEAM ... 152.1 (34,054 games)
* CLASSIFIED DOUBLES/SINGLES ... 149.3 (73,765 games)
* TEAM (both divisions combined) ... 168.9
* DOUBLES/SINGLES (both divisions combined) ... 168.0
* OVERALL (all divisions, all events) ... 168.3 (461,357 games)

So as I've maintained on many occasions, whereas there are quite a few high scores, only a very few -- outside of the best players and shotmakers -- are able to score at a high level. The statistics speak for themselves.

 

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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2013, 04:55:21 PM »
Solid data, of course, the elitists will say its "supposed to be this way" and "they are too easy". More of the same, with the elitists "smelling their own farts", like they have been for years.

Those averages are dreadful, but comparing the "haves" to the "have nots" is a exercise in futility. Make them softer and the guys at the top will put up phone numbers, sure the overall average will rise. But the top players will shoot near 2250+ for AE. The only real solution is opening up the divisions.
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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2013, 07:55:36 PM »
It did seem like scores were high but that was for team only i felt. The pattern had a soft spot to it unlike singles and doubles.

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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2013, 09:58:33 PM »
When you get over 40 feet patterns have a tendancy to set up with some inside hold.  I definitely saw that this year with the 41 foot pattern.  The Ice oil might have also been a contributing factor.  Not talking about house guys who need extreme swing area to get comfortable, but the more serious scratch bowlers who are accustomed to playing flatter patterns.  These guys can exploit a little hold at 4th arrow. 

Also another interesting stat from this year.  Look at the low to cash scores for seniors compared to the open division.  It is higher across the board.   

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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2013, 05:16:54 PM »
Talk about a lot of high average bowlers getting a reality check.

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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2013, 06:59:58 PM »
The advantage is to those who bowl on the shot consistantly prior to the event. If you have that advantage you will compete.

Most are going into it blind and the scores reflect that.
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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2013, 08:56:57 PM »
the advantage is too anyone who has the time and will make the effort to adjust their game to flatter patterns than house shots. 

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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2013, 09:13:28 PM »
Spares, spares,....spares
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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2013, 10:28:55 PM »
I guess I have to be the Elitist and say this is how it should be.

It is a National Tournament and should contested on difficult conditions, The Cream should rise to the top. Because in this situation Bowling is a Sport not a game. And if that means alot of bowlers house mice and good bowlers as well get a reality check that is fine (me included if it comes to that)

People can live with one ugly struggle a year IMO. If they can't the reality check might be needed lol.

Before I get all tore up by you guys I only had 1829 all events.

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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2013, 09:25:31 AM »
Why is it "Elitist" to say the National Bowling tournament should be contested on a difficult shot? It is supposd a test of skill, a test of teamwork. Not a carry contest. The best of the best should be at the top. A person that bowls once a week on an easy THS shouldn't be wining this event.
 
Also, who says the scores are too high? I have never heard that complaint. We have what maybe 30 300 games in a year, that is like .01% of the games are honor scores. If there are 10 800 series in a year, that comes out to the same .01% of series that are honor scores. Doesn't seem to high to me, seems to be just about right. Anyone who says "scores are too high" is just trying to justify a reason to make the shot easier so they can score better. I didn't bowl well this year, in fact I haven't bowled well here in the last 2-3 years, some of my worst scores ever actually. The reason was because I failed to execute and some bad decisions by teammates not following the gameplan we set forth before bowling. Simple as that.
 
The last thing I will add, is that the person who made the OP has a hatred of the USBC. No matter what they do, it will be wrong in his eyes. Every mistake that may make, and the people at the USBC are human like you and I and make mistakes, is blown out of proportion, turned into a huge conspiracy by him. Take anything he says about the USBC, or bowling in general with a very large grain of salt. Because more than likely it will spun into the worst possible light with the truth stretched like a rubber band set to fire across the room.
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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2013, 11:51:28 AM »
The only problem with the USBC lane condition is not a problem with the condition at all, but rather the same problem competitive bowling has at every level.  We have great technology and knowledge of how to put out demanding but not unplayable conditions, but we allow balls that can totally manipulate the condition in short order.  Lane conditions should transition, but it should take more than a few frames to manufacture a hole in the pattern. 

To make a golf analogy, it is the same as if the US Open condition was altered by balls to shave the rough down after every shot that went wide of the fairway. 

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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2013, 12:29:29 PM »
I thought the shot was a fair "Sport Shot". Unfortunately my sport shot average is almost 50 pins under my house shot average.  Our house shot is very easy to get to the pocket and carry is pretty good too.  Naturally my house average went from 209 3 years ago to 226 this year and was as high as 240.   I have no illusions about my skill.  I should be in the 200-210 range.  "Spares-Spares-Spares" is a good mantra, but when the 4 pin/7 pin/ or 10 pin spares turn into super washouts, 2-8-10, pocket 7-10 it is harder to cover those spares.  My issue was trying to find the "magic line", the right hand position or the perfect ball.  Instead, after my wife yelled at me, I just executed my game and shot 630 in singles after a 520 in doubles.  In the summer PBA sport league, I am doing better now that I have focused on my shot and not the approved PBA recommendations.
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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2013, 04:39:29 AM »
The national average for men is around 160 and for women it's 140. so is it safe to say only above average bowlers go to the open tournament?

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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2013, 09:30:19 AM »
no i beleive bowlers of all skill levels attend the tournament in droves.
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Re: Entire field averages only 168.3 in USBC Open Tournament
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2013, 09:50:46 AM »
I usually spend the better part of a week at the Open each year prior to our actual squad time. And from watching a lot of bowling during that week, I completely agree with mainzer. This is not a high skill level crowd. Sure there are some good bowlers in each squad, but overall, I think the field is a pretty accurate reflection of the bowling population as a whole.

no i beleive bowlers of all skill levels attend the tournament in droves.
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