Bought this one from a friend of mine who was entering a lot of PBA sanctioned tourneys, and couldn't use it since Visionary wasn't PBA licensed. It was one of the best bowling ball purchases I ever made. I left the existing layout, since his drill fit my hand close enough. Pin is up above ring, cg kicked out slightly. It's undoubtedly the most forgiving ball I've ever rolled - pull it, hit up on it, do whatever you want...as long as you hit your mark, it'll do what you intended it to do. Carry is also very good - it'll crush light shots nearly every time. It also handles a good amount of oil as it was intended, and it will eat heavy oil house shots for breakfast. It does seem to struggle on the heavier PBA patterns, like the shark and scorpion when fresh, but definitely serves as a fantastic "control ball" once they break down a little...and that's the kind of ball that everyone needs at some point. If I get lost out there and just can't seem to hit the pocket with my other equipment, this ball will usually get me back into the game. If you're fortunate enough to come across one, buy it! it may not be the hook monster it once was, but it's forgiveness and carry are very tough to match.