win a ball from Bowling.com

Author Topic: I just ordered two new centaurs....  (Read 6289 times)

beeker

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 75
I just ordered two new centaurs....
« on: April 20, 2004, 01:01:38 AM »
I received a few e-mails from Visionary with the information on the new green Centaur.  It's going to be a solid reactive like the Charcoal Executioner with the DC core.  They said it will be the most versatile ball in their line up.  I ordered 2, one for myself and one for my pro-shop owner.  He doesn't carry Visionary so I am buying him one to try out. They are not shipping them until April 28.   Unfortunately it will be here after my league is done for the year.  At least I will have all summer to practice with it.  I will post a review once it comes in and I roll a few games with it.

 

TheDude

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3170
Re: I just ordered two new centaurs....
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2004, 01:29:02 PM »
eeep that is a really low flaring ball. well it will be a control ball for sure. the Urethane gargoyle i think has a higher Differential if i am not mistaken.

(thinks) what in the heck am i supposed to do with this thing>>
--------------------
I am Canadian Dude! GOO BIG FIN!!! MIKA K ALL THE WAY!
Timothy @Juniors Pro-Shops
LaSalle, Quebec-Located inside Pont Mercier Lanes.
Keep them honest!

Ebay store updated very often: http://stores.ebay.com/gumby3170?refid+store

beeker

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 75
Re: I just ordered two new centaurs....
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2004, 02:11:20 PM »
I'm not sure where it will fit in the Visionary line up.  I'm looking for a control ball that I can use for an entire set on light/medium wood lanes.  My favorite control ball so far has been the Burgundy Gryphon.  The only problem with the Burgundy is it needs a lot of head oil.  So most nights on all wood lanes I am lucky to get one game out of it before it starts turning in the heads.  On synthetics I can roll an entire set and then some but wood lanes break down too fast.  I usually switch to the G-3 next but sometimes the backends are flying and that makes the G-3 hard to control.  So out comes the Green Gargoyle which works well when the backends are too strong for the G-3 and the heads are too dry for the Burgundy.  I am hoping the Centaur will move like the Burgundy but be usable on light/medium to medium conditions.  I also have a Blue Gargoyle which works well when the backends are flying and reactive equipment is jumping.  But even the Blue Gargoyle can't handle dry heads.  Remember Urethane does hook.  Also, I don't believe the Blue Gargoyle has the hit or carry of the reactive/particle balls.  I also have the Granite Gargoyle, Purple Ice Executioner, and the Blue Sparkle Gryphon.  I use the GG and PI in the synthetic house which is usally flooded.  I use to use the Blue Sparkle a lot but it has seen a lot of games and I'm starting to get an over/under reaction with it.  I'm thinking about resurfacing it.  

Anyway, I'm hoping the Centaur will give me the control, hit and carry I need for constantly changing wood lanes and be usable for an entire set.

wkf0908

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 140
Re: I just ordered two new centaurs....
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2004, 08:16:08 AM »
Diff=.015??????????

i don't think it is suitable for today's bowler, a ball.

Sorry, visionary!!!!!!

charlest

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24523
Re: I just ordered two new centaurs....
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2004, 09:30:16 AM »
wkf0908,

Control yourself already. You're judging a book by it cover and you'll be wrong, IF YOU DO THAT, about 90% of the time.

Remember the core and its dynamic do NOT rule a ball's performance. The core can only modify what the cover is set-up to do. It's the engine and tires analogy all over again. Remember that cause you have to live with it.

The key word here that I think we all misinterpreted is "modified". The didn't modify the DC core; I think they radically changed it. It had a very high RG differential (.058) and probably a fairly high mass bias. So, now, with a .016" RG Differential, with a high RG (2.61) and a solid resin core, my guess is they are issuing a replacement for the Purple Ice and it will meant to be a control ball. I will have to modify my estimate and say this ball's performance will depend totally on the ball's surface.

It should handle over/under like a champ, but it will not have a huge backend, in all probability. If you're  fluffer and you depend on a ball's high RG differential (& potential for flare) to give you backend, you can forget it with this one.

Of course, there's always the possibility that it will be like Hammer's Big Blue: it has a very low RG DIff, but it is a huge hooking ball and must have medium-heavy oil, at a minumum, to perform at its best.

We shall see.
 



--------------------
"We get old too fast, and too late, smart."
"None are so blind as those who will not see."

Strider

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6751
Re: I just ordered two new centaurs....
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2004, 09:54:20 AM »
Well said Charlest.  Another example is the Columbia Beast.  It has a diff of 0.016 (15#) and has a relatively weak shell.  I own the pearl and have no problems covering a lot of boards (if needed) on most patterns.  I bought it for very light patterns.  Wrong.  Nice ball for medium to med/light oil.
--------------------
Penn State Proud

Ron Clifton's Bowling Tip Archive

wkf0908

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 140
Re: I just ordered two new centaurs....
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2004, 10:28:50 AM »
quote:
Control yourself already
WHY? i just said something that i thought? what's wrong? i just said I THINK it's may not suitable for today's bowler. You guys working with visionary?? may be you guys can ask the holds of this forum to delete any opinion that you guys didn't agree with it.

you guys also can ask the holds to cancel my account TOO.

TOTALLY DISAPPOINTED WITH THIS FORUM!!!!

Juggernaut

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6498
  • Former good bowler, now 3 games a week house hack.
Re: I just ordered two new centaurs....
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2004, 11:05:09 AM »
WKF,

  Maybe your name should br W.T.F. instead.  You are the one spouting negativism about an item that was otherwise being bandied about in a normal manner.  And as far as being a ball for todays bowler, I bought a v2dry just exactly because it DOES have the lowest diff. numbers I could find.  I still play it as a hook ball, even though it is drilled 6 1/2 X 5 1/2.

  If you had any hand in the ball, or any knowledge of the real game of bowling, you could easily see where this ball would be an ASSET to the TOP bowlers of the day who would know how and when to use it.
--------------------
Just call me Darreyl, it's much easier to say!
Learn to laugh, and love, and smile, cause we’re only here for a little while.

Strider

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6751
Re: I just ordered two new centaurs....
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2004, 11:09:43 AM »
Easy now wkf0908.  No one said you wern't entitled to your opinion.  It's just that one spec (differential in this case) doesn't necessarily tell the whole story.  We gave you two examples from other companies (kinda blows the "we work for Visionary" theory) that work for today's bowlers.

By using a giant font, bold letters, and denouncing a ball you've never tried based on one spec, you invite critism.  Charlest backed up his arguement with some good facts.  Not just "you're wrong", in giant letters.
--------------------
Penn State Proud

Ron Clifton's Bowling Tip Archive

TheDude

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3170
Re: I just ordered two new centaurs....
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2004, 10:06:30 PM »
Um this ball is not easy to make a definate prediction about.

Sort of reminds me of the Pirhana Retro. Ball for me got through the head and middles so nicely and still revved up alot and has some pop in the backends. it was good for me on wood lanes mostly when there was a fried track usually.
--------------------
I am Canadian Dude! GOO BIG FIN!!! MIKA K ALL THE WAY!
Timothy @Juniors Pro-Shops
LaSalle, Quebec-Located inside Pont Mercier Lanes.
Keep them honest!

Ebay store updated very often: http://stores.ebay.com/gumby3170?refid+store

TWOHAND834

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4332
Re: I just ordered two new centaurs....
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2004, 12:39:17 AM »
After reading some of the specs on this ball, it almost sounds like something that is going to compete with the Sonic X Solid, V2 Dry, and other balls like that.  After all...it is a low priced ball, low diff, solid reactive.  Yes, it has a "modified" DC core.  But, it seems like a simpler version (only one density throughout and such).  I believe this ball, from reading what I am seeing, is going to fit under the Gargoyle line.  Why else would it take a person with alot of hand to be able to use it on medium conditions and low rev players need drier conditions?  I could be wrong, but after reading everyone's posts, it appears as though you are looking at Visionary's competitor to the Sonic X Solid and V2 Dry.
--------------------
If anyone out there is worried about the scores being too high, try duckpin!!
Steven Vance
Former Pro Shop Operator
Former Classic Products Assistant Manager

charlest

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24523
Re: I just ordered two new centaurs....
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2004, 03:53:19 AM »
quote:
quote:
Control yourself already
WHY? i just said something that i thought? what's wrong? i just said I THINK it's may not suitable for today's bowler. You guys working with visionary?? may be you guys can ask the holds of this forum to delete any opinion that you guys didn't agree with it.

you guys also can ask the holds to cancel my account TOO.

TOTALLY DISAPPOINTED WITH THIS FORUM!!!!



It's not your opinion; it's your huge fonts that make your typing as if you are screaming at everybody. Screaming does not make your opinion any more valid than anyone else's.

BTW I stated that I think that your opinion is wrong ONLY because you are doing yourself an injustice by eliminating this ball from consideration SOLELY based on rumors about its specifications. Why not wait and see how it performs before making that judgement?

The rest of us are only speculating on how we think it may perform based on its sepcs. You, on the other hand, are going so far as to say you would never use, based on its specs.
--------------------
"We get old too fast, and too late, smart."
"None are so blind as those who will not see."

wkf0908

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 140
Re: I just ordered two new centaurs....
« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2004, 12:20:25 PM »
quote:
it's your huge fonts that make your typing as if you are screaming at everybody.  

i just use it because it's one of the function in the reply box. i don't know huge fonts will scream EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
so you must ask them to delete this function. O.K.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

furthermore, i just said my thinking in the forum, this is a forum, you know!! it's not a court for something for judge!!!!!!!!



Edited on 4/27/2004 12:13 PM

MI 2 AZ

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8152
Re: I just ordered two new centaurs....
« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2004, 12:43:47 PM »
quote:
 i don't know huge fonts will scream EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.



Sigh, it is almost like one of the unwritten rules of the internet highway.  All caps is considered screaming.  Maybe some people consider the large fonts to be an extension of that.  Another unwritten rule was to lurk on a new site or forum for a while to determine the way the members behave before you jump in.

More than that, if you go back and read your replies, it seems that you have a bit of an attitude and that is what some people may have picked up on and replied about.  Remember that a lot of times, what is written does not come across as the writer meant it to.  There are no facial expressions or tone of voice to convey the deeper meanings that are usually passed on in conversations so care must be taken to get your true meanings across so expect to get some flack at times when something that we write is not received as it was intended.
--------------------

I just want 2C was'zzub.
____________________________________

I am the SGT Schultz of bowling.
"I know nothing!"
_________________________________________
Six decades of league bowling and still learning.

ABC/USBC Lifetime Member since Aug 1995.

livespive

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4819
Re: I just ordered two new centaurs....
« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2004, 01:44:31 PM »
Does anyone have a picture of this ball yet?
I haven't recieved any of my info from them yet.
--------------------
Eric T. Spivey, P.E.
 Visionary Test Staff Member

roystriker

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 426
Re: I just ordered two new centaurs....
« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2004, 02:03:24 PM »
livespive,

Sent you a link to check out.

--------------------
Leroy H.
roystriker@verizon.net
Visionary Test Staff Member
Leroy H.
Irvington, NJ