BallReviews
Equipment Boards => 900 Global => Topic started by: couleurlove on February 10, 2014, 11:56:42 PM
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900 Global has out done themselves!!! I give this ball 5 out of 5 stars. This ball is great for every type of lane condition. This balls gets down the lane, whether you're a cranker or down-and-in bowler, and rolls up hard to the pocket. This ball even carries the off hits! It's a must have ball, complete with an extra 5-10 pins added to your average!
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Mine has been sitting next to the drill press. Just waiting for some Grip-Loc outer sleeves to arrive so I can punch it up, probably this weekend.
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I'm on the fence with mine so far.
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What is the issue you're finding, Spider?
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I'm just not seeing a good roll unless the back ends are super clean. Last night I subbed in a league, and the oil was a little heavier than normal. I threw my normal shot and it just slid. So I moved way outside and the Network labored. I switched to my Hy-Road Pearl and it was coming off the spot hard.
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I would try changing the surface. The Network is much stronger than the Hy-Road Pearl and sounds like it's burning up. How is your Network laid out compared to your Hy-Road? Also, remember the Hy-road is a symmetrical, and the Network is a STRONG Assym.
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My Hy-Road is a label type drill with the pin left of the ring and the cg in the palm.
The Network is drilled with the pin above the ring finger and everything else is slanted to the left haha.
I don't know any of the technical aspects, such a numbers and how it's laid out, but I had the Hy-Road drilled to be pretty agressive overall and the Network to go longer and do most of it's action on the backend.
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Let's take this to PM, if you don't mind.
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Are you going to beat me up when you get me alone? lol :)
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I'm mostly here to help. Don't make me lay my hands on you, though lol.
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Spider, are you a right handed bowler?
You said the CG / Mass Bias are going left from the bridge (i.e. on the left side of your thumb)
Is this correct?
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TJ,
He's a lefty.
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I wasn't overly impressed my first time out either. Mine arrived with 4+ oz top weight. Went 50 x 3 x 50 with a HUGE P3 hole. Thought was 3" pin to pap for high flare since high int diff will retain the tilt. 1:1 ratio at 100* total to use on medium shots. Thought it would be quite aggressive but on THS and fresh Stone Street it didn't impress.
I'm 400 revs, 20 mph, 8* tilt, 60* rotation.
I'm trying it again tonight and bringing every Sia pad I own. Hope it just needs to be dialed in.
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I wasn't overly impressed my first time out either. Mine arrived with 4+ oz top weight. Went 50 x 3 x 50 with a HUGE P3 hole. Thought was 3" pin to pap for high flare since high int diff will retain the tilt. 1:1 ratio at 100* total to use on medium shots. Thought it would be quite aggressive but on THS and fresh Stone Street it didn't impress.
I'm 400 revs, 20 mph, 8* tilt, 60* rotation.
I'm trying it again tonight and bringing every Sia pad I own. Hope it just needs to be dialed in.
IMO...3" pin on this strong of a core and a hole at p3 equals ultra smooth reaction. Especially with your rev rate. Now if you were speed dominate type player I would say that drill would be ok but 400 rev rate at 20 mph is not speed dominate. Good luck...
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3" pin to pap on asym retains rotation.
What makes you think this layout would be smooth?
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I guess I should of asked what reaction you wanted to get out of the ball. I would also classify retain and smooth as being close and somewhat similar. 3" pins mostly look like the ball is trying to roll up a hill at the break point.
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Are you confusing asymmetricals with symmetricals?
For a low tilt bowler like myself using a 1:1 ratio accompanied by a 3" pin to pap on a high int diff asym and HUGE p3 hole this ball should have a very strong transition!!
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Personally, if you wanted a quick transition, I would have went with something like a 50*5*30. 3 inch pin to pap on a strong assym is NOT where I would have gone...
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5" pin to pap with 8* tilt?
Now that's funny!!
Hello forward roll.
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Are you confusing asymmetricals with symmetricals?
For a low tilt bowler like myself using a 1:1 ratio accompanied by a 3" pin to pap on a high int diff asym and HUGE p3 hole this ball should have a very strong transition!!
Not confusing anything...Just stating that In my experience regardless of asy or sym 3" pins from axis is going to have a smooth type motion.
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would love to see a video and a picture of what this ball motion looks like. Maybe I could learn something new.
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I have laid out 4 different NETWORK balls so far and ive not had a problem with anyone of them making it back to the pocket on different angles from straight up to swinging the crap out of it. granit i did change the surface on all of them but if your seeing your storm ball hook more, your not throwing the NETWORK the same way.. the Network should out hook it easily with out a doubt.. Ive thought about throwing the 1 I had my 875 set with again but its kinda hard to pull it out of its glass case its in :) it may never hit another pin as long as i own it.. its retired now after only 3 games...
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Spider, are you a right handed bowler?
You said the CG / Mass Bias are going left from the bridge (i.e. on the left side of your thumb)
Is this correct?
Yes, I am a left handed bowler. I'm not saying this is a bad piece of equipment, just so far for me, I haven't been able to see what others are seeing. I just need to go throw some practice with it and then I'll probably change the surface.
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I wasn't overly impressed my first time out either. Mine arrived with 4+ oz top weight. Went 50 x 3 x 50 with a HUGE P3 hole. Thought was 3" pin to pap for high flare since high int diff will retain the tilt. 1:1 ratio at 100* total to use on medium shots. Thought it would be quite aggressive but on THS and fresh Stone Street it didn't impress.
I'm 400 revs, 20 mph, 8* tilt, 60* rotation.
I'm trying it again tonight and bringing every Sia pad I own. Hope it just needs to be dialed in.
Just for fun, I put your info in to Storm's VLS and it spit out 3-1/4 x 6-1/2 x 2-1/2 which is around 85 x 3-1/4 x 53 in dual angle.
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I think in real life application this ball is much stronger than it appears to be. With that being said if a driller doesn't know the true strength of this core and cover and not know the person throwing the ball the driller can easily put too strong of a drill on it and make it look like poop. I've see it happen all the time and not just with 900 balls either.
How many of you have read the USBC report of ball motion? If you haven't its a great read and some of you may be surprised of their findings.
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I went pin above the fingers, which normally gets the ball going long, but with good back end roll. On this one, it doesn't get into that roll.
I thought pin over fingers was a pretty weak lay out?
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The Network is definitely What i would call an oil ball. It needs oil in the heads. If you aren't seeing oil in the heads you aren't gonna get that big backend reaction everyone is seeing. I would recommend some polish maybe even extender if you really must use it on those conditions. Also nothing wrong with a 5" pin for 8* tilt. Go watch any asymm video with JustinWi on Motiv staff and he has a 3" pin and a 5" pin on just about every video and the 5" pin looks just fine compared to the 3" pins.......
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Spider...Pin up can be weak it just depends on how much above you go and how close it gets to your VAL. What was your final distance from pin to axis?
Hope things are good? Haven't talked to you in a while?
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I don't know what my PAP is or anything lol. Things are good, bowling like crud, but what's new. I am bowling with the Goop Boys on Tuesday nights. Saw you were on the roster for a while there.
How are things going with you?
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What? Who is drilling your stuff? I was but to darn busy with my oldest boy. He is bowling and playing baseball so that consumes so much time. Honestly I would rather watch him bowl or play baseball compared to me bowling myself. Besides that just living life and trying to survive.
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I just don't get why you would do a 3 inch pin for a max flare on a strong Assym when studies have shown that on anything stronger than a medium assym ball that 5,5 inches is the most flare potential. Even on symmetricals, I don't go with anything stronger than a 4 inch pin to pap unless I want to play straighter with it.
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Joz-msg sent.
Or at least I tired to send a message.
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A higher pin will transition faster in the back so it will have a shorter hook phase. If by weaker layout you mean covers less boards, its all relative. It could cover less it could cover more. Depends on a lot of variables.....
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Didn't think a 3" pin to pap was designed for max flare? Correct me if I am wrong, but on a dual angle layout, the pin to pap distance dictates the flare. So the bigger the pin to pap, the more flare. Just my 2 cents.
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Didn't think a 3" pin to pap was designed for max flare? Correct me if I am wrong, but on a dual angle layout, the pin to pap distance dictates the flare. So the bigger the pin to pap, the more flare. Just my 2 cents.
Symmetrical that may be true, but on an assym anything between 2-3/4" and 6-1/2" is in the "max flare" range.
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Thank you!!!!
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Well, I used it last night in league for the first time for all 3 games. After messing with the thumb hole and getting some practice with it on Monday, just focusing on getting out of the ball cleanly, I saw the good roll everyone else was talking about.
I shot 226, 266, 213-705. From the first game to the 2nd game, I threw 11 in a row before leaving a 6 pin in the 7th frame of the 2nd game. I then proceeded to blow the high game pots by forgetting how to bowl on the 11th shot and threw a 7 count, needed to strike to win high game and big p. :)
The reaction I get is what I was hoping for when drilling this. I have to move in a bit, but not as much as I do with my Hy-Road Pearl. It gets down the lane well, and then when it gets to the backs and flips controllably and so far the carry is good. I left quite a few 6 pins last night, and missed making big enough moves to get back flush. I usually only need to move 1/2-1 board, but last night I found it by making a bigger move, but too late in the game.
I'm going to get some more practice with this ball, and continue to work on getting out of the ball because that's what I've been struggling with all season, and see how it goes.