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smer

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benchmark ball
« on: January 16, 2010, 08:43:45 AM »
Really have no experiences with 900 global, so a question for you who do. Would the B.H. pearl work as the first {benchmark} ball out of the bag, or is the Lunatic still the ball you would use for that purpose in the 900 line? I am a med. speed, med. revs kind of guy, who does most of my bowling on a THS, with a few tournaments on tougher conditions thrown in. Want to try a 900G product, so I want to try a ball that I will throw alot. Thanks for reading and any input anybody has.


 

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Re: benchmark ball
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2010, 06:55:44 PM »
bench⋅mark
  /ˈbɛntʃˌmɑrk/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [bench-mahrk] Show IPA
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    any standard or reference by which others can be measured or judged: The current price for crude oil may become the benchmark.

The Break Out is OUR recommended benchmark ball.
We (900 Global) determine "benchmark" as a ball that:
A: Fits a variety of bowlers, releases, lane conditions, and area of play
B: Can be used a measuring stick within the line (more hook BH, less Lunatic)
C: Its a mainstay of the product line using a core that is constant

Now you the bowler can interpret any ball as your benchmark ball.  But if you own the entire line of 900 Global I would expect that the Break/Break Out would tell you in 3 shots or less which way to move in the line.  The Break Out is good on medium conditions although it can handle medium-heavy as well as medium broken down.  You can make any ball reaction your benchmark....its just a starting point or reference.  Again we push the Break Out.

When i walk into a pro shop (or talk to a bowler even) that has never seen or thrown a 900 Global ball the first thing i tell them to purchase and or throw is the Break Out.  Its a solid cover matched with a proven core that fits almost anybody.  Thats where you start.  IE thats the benchmark.
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Re: benchmark ball
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2010, 07:39:30 PM »
Agree with the above statement, so much that I think I'm on my 5th or 6th bench mark ball.  Loved them all.
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Re: benchmark ball
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2010, 09:00:22 PM »
How can you disagree with the sales manager from the company?  They know their product(s) inside and out.  All their equipment in their current line (and past)have a purpose.  They don't just put products out like other companies to see if the public takes to it.

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Re: benchmark ball
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2010, 09:36:57 PM »
smer....sorry it took so long to get back with you but here are a few pics...

http://www.dougsproshop.net/images/MyArsenal/15lunatic1.jpg
http://www.dougsproshop.net/images/MyArsenal/15lunatic2.jpg

The layout has remained the same while the new thumbhole is just a little "north" of the old one (the big black plug).

Great midlane read, normally smooth off the spot...

If the ball doesn't get to the pocket I know I need something stronger.

If the ball comes high I know I need something either weaker overall or longer.

To me, that is the definition of "benchmark ball."
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Re: benchmark ball
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2010, 06:24:35 AM »
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How can you disagree with the sales manager from the company?



Easy. Because I agree with NeverLearn that a benchmark ball is a medium RG, medium flare resin that handles true medium oil for the average revs, average ball speed bowler.
and becasue I know the ball and think Eric''s wrong in this case. He''s not infallible.
Even BTM''s review also said the ball was for oily lanes. Benchmark''s are for medium oil, not medium-heavy and certainly not for heavy oil.

I also have to agree with Doug Sterner here. The Lunatic is their most appropriate ball for a benchmark for the average rev, average ball speed bowler.

A higher ball speed like Nicanor''s can use the BreakOut for a benchmark.

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  They know their product(s) inside and out.  All their equipment in their current line (and past) have a purpose.  They don''''t just put products out like other companies to see if the public takes to it.


The sales manager''s job is to promote the latest and greatest.

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Re: benchmark ball
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2010, 07:29:58 AM »
IMO..."Benchmark" is NOT specific to a particular condition ie dry, med or heavy.  It's specific to reaction.  The Break/Break Out gives you excellent reads for many different bowling styles on what exactly is going on with the shot in a particular bowling session.

I can see how people can have different views on Benchmark but once again IMO...the ball has to be adaptable to many different styles.  A speed dominate type player can't take a med cover, med rg/diff and make it his bench mark ball because the ball will not read the lane due to that style.

I guess this will be a topic that everyone agrees to disagree...
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Re: benchmark ball
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2010, 07:37:01 AM »
To me..

Benchmark is the ball that you use to read the lane conditions and then have a ball higher...a ball lower...

To me and the 900G Current Lineup..

Break Out would be a perfect benchmark..

1 up Bounty Hunter
1 down Lunatic

Or even 2 up... BH and BHP
2 down...Lunatic and Link

Now I wouldn't be putting a 4 x 4 on my benchmark ball to get max out of it...would match a layout to my speed and PAP to give good midlane and all control...


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Re: benchmark ball
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2010, 11:54:17 AM »
Srlunatic, I have to disagree about the BHP being stronger than the Break Out.

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« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2010, 09:14:31 PM »
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The Breakout can never be a benchmark ball.

Do you folks have the least idea what a benchmark ball is or is supposed to be, what properties it supposed to posess?

It is not JUST your favorite ball on the lanes you bowl on.


I have a Break Solid drilled with a modified Rico layout.  POlished, this ball gives me a nice midlane read with an even, continuous arc to the pocket.  It sits perfectly in the middle of my 900Global/AMF range.  I am a slightly above medium speed, mid-range rev player and this is ALWAYS the first ball out of the bag to give me a read, tournament pattern or THS.

And yes, I do know what a benchmark ball is and it's required properties.  Just because it is not a benchmark ball for you, does not mean it can't be for anyone else.  That's the beauty of our sport.

Props to Eric for his input.  He didn't need to risk getting flamed.
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Re: benchmark ball
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2010, 06:19:10 AM »
[/quote]I know the ball and think Eric''''s wrong in this case. He''''s not infallible.
Even BTM''''s review also said the ball was for oily lanes. Benchmark''''s are for medium oil, not medium-heavy and certainly not for heavy oil.[/quote]


****Charlest do you own a Break Out?  I don''t know how you can''t agree this is a benchmark ball.  I have owned 5 Break Solids and now own 2 Break Outs.  I have one drilled very strong and one drilled Similar to my Benchmark Break Solid.  I do use my Break Out as a Benchmark now.  I can use it on any house shot just by adjusting my feet and hand position.  The cover is very easily adjustable.  

[/quote]The sales manager''''s job is to promote the latest and greatest. [/quote]

I would agree with you on most sales managers but you are way off when you say this about Eric.  This is the same sales manager that when I was going to buy a strong ball for a tournament 2 years ago.  Out of all the new balls I had on my list as most people put it Newsest and Greatest.  Guess what he got me to buy?  A brand new Radar Alert.... Not so new is it.
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Re: benchmark ball
« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2010, 07:12:51 PM »
I really like my break point pearl.  I believe that this is my benchmark ball and here is why.  I bowl on wood lanes with older overlays.  the houses around are basically close to the same, so when I go to tournys I see different shots but same lanes.  I understand what People are saying about the break out, and having a ball over and under this ball.  I would say this, while a ball line, or company may have a ball in mind for a bench mark, practicality dictates that on the lanes YOU bowl on this ball may not be that good.  With the overlays, I use the BPP first (pin drilled out).  under that is a hammer cherry vibe (stacked pin bewteen), over that is a pin under hot sauce.  Therefore, for me, the BPP is the benchmark ball.  I do own heavy balls, a bounty hunter, a mutant, and medium, like magic action, agent, secret agent and so on.  I also believe that besides lanes, style is important here.  I used to throw a long hook so weaker later reacting was good, now I throw a bell hook and the balls I used for that shot are not as good, even with different drillings.  Some of the balls that are being suggested are not balls that would work on my lanes.  just my 2cents

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