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Title: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: revTrex on December 10, 2007, 06:50:35 PM
Title says it all.
Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: rene- on December 11, 2007, 05:44:57 AM
unfair no reaction from the thread that was started a couple of months ago
Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: MegaMav on December 11, 2007, 05:55:01 AM
How many balls have they released?
Nuff said.
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Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: revTrex on December 11, 2007, 06:14:28 AM
^^^

Actually, Mega, they have come out with The Break, the Creature, a spare ball line, and a special "Globe" spare. So that's 2-4, depending on how you want to think of it, and they ARE going to come out with more.  Plus, need I mention the fact that their plant produces AMF and Lane #1 equipment, or the fact that they produce a widely recognized premier shoe line, 3G?

This is a real company with a real chance of making inroads into the ball market; it's not just another small company that has another company make balls for them. They have their own plant, their own distribution, and they are headed by one of the most acclaimed ball gurus in the industry, Phil Cardinale.

Furthermore, I am willing to bet that they have SOLD more balls than Insite and possibly more than Banger (but hey, I could be wrong).

In your own words, "'Nuff said."
Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: scotts33 on December 11, 2007, 06:17:28 AM
I agree with revTrexx.  They are a REAL manfacturer plus add the 3G shoes.
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Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: MegaMav on December 11, 2007, 06:21:03 AM
I disagree, for BallReviews.com to add a manufacturer to their forums list they need to establish themselves as a stable company on the market. 900 Global has been alive for what? 6 months? I would hardly call that stable. For BallReviews.com to give 900 Global a piece of the pie at this point in their infancy, would not only be hasty but irresponsible.

Edited on 12/11/2007 7:42 AM
Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: revTrex on December 11, 2007, 06:27:11 AM
That's almost hilarious, given the fact that Banger and Insite aren't exactly what I would call "stable" companies just yet. In fact, 900G is certainly more stable, given the fact that they produce their own equipment -- something that I'm sure Insite wishes it could do (given their recent problem with the RevElation).
Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: scotts33 on December 11, 2007, 06:32:43 AM
That is funny...two companies that have Visionary manufacturer their equipment. Then, you have a company that makes their own stuff and has a full shoe line.

Laughable.  
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Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: MegaMav on December 11, 2007, 06:41:27 AM
900 Global wont have a forum for at least another year.
Laugh that one to the bank.
Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: revTrex on December 11, 2007, 06:46:19 AM
No further comment is truly needed...your ignorance on this subject is rather self-evident...

Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: 102101 on December 11, 2007, 06:47:49 AM
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I disagree, for BallReviews.com to add a manufacturer to their forums list they need to establish themselves as a stable company on the market. 900 Global has been alive for what? 6 months? I would hardly call that stable. For BallReviews.com to give 900 Global a piece of the pie at this point in their infancy, would not only be hasty but irresponsible.

Edited on 12/11/2007 7:42 AM



With comments like this it is no wonder others pick on you on BR, with Phil's proven track record in the past 900 Global will surely be strong in the market.
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Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: scotts33 on December 11, 2007, 06:56:31 AM
An additional fact that 2 balls that were manufactured in that plant although not 900G balls already won a PBA Tour event this year.  Hei$t and Nighthawk Pearl Micheal Haugen.  Yep they're real.
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Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: MegaMav on December 11, 2007, 07:30:57 AM
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With comments like this it is no wonder others pick on you on BR


I'm a big boy, I can handle the critics

 
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with Phil's proven track record in the past 900 Global will surely be strong in the market.


No where in my above statement(s) did I say Phil or 900 Global would not be successful. I'm obviously in the middle of a 900 Global lovefest here, there are staunch supporters of each brand, anything less than instant gratification can expect the responses I got above. Good luck with getting your forum. For your sake I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: revTrex on December 11, 2007, 08:00:28 AM
Because it seems Derek posted in the wrong thread ( ), here's what he had to say:

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How in the world can you say Insite and Banger are established.  Banger had to put a stop on all of their production for how long before they could get a CONTRACT WITH VISIONARY to produce their equipment.  Now they finally have been able to produce ball 3-4.  Insite's equipment if I am not mistaken only makes 100 of each ball isn't that why they were 250.00 a ball.  They also have 4 balls.  Now you have 900 Global who pours AMF, 900Global, and Lane #1.  900Global has 5 balls released and out to the public.  Globe ball, BAM plastic, Break, Creature, and the overseas DVA open ball.  They are PBA registered for the shoes.  
Point is MegaMav get off of you arrogant trip and start throwing you Brunswick balls that die after about and average of 50 games.  I will continue to throw my same break that I have over 100 games on and still be throwing it when you are on you 2nd or 3rd Brunswick ball becuase of ball death.

I have to laugh at everybody that complains about ball death but stays with those companies.  I now have the following balls that have not been resurfaced and still react like new from AMF/900Global.
NightHawk Solid-140 games never resurfaced
Venom-200 games never resurfaced
2-Breaks with 100 games
TNT-120 Games

Looks like a solid background to me........
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Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: newguy on December 11, 2007, 08:11:15 AM
You guys forgot to mention that we build some balls for Storm as well.
New Products on the horizon...The Break Pearl, a new Creature, a new Orbit Extreme, we are currently developing an upper mid for the AMF line, priced below the Heist and above the Nighthawk. the Angle Line is doing great and I figure to grow that line with additional pieces over the next year of so. "A Global Lovefest" I'm loving it.
Just one more note...we are not launching for the sake of Launching, new covers and performance on all the above mentioned products.
Fiddling with the resins.
Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: revTrex on December 11, 2007, 08:16:42 AM
Woohoo! You show 'em, Phil.

= Break Pearl
Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: MegaMav on December 11, 2007, 08:22:07 AM
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Now they finally have been able to produce ball 3-4.
Insite's equipment if I am not mistaken only makes 100 of each ball isn't that why they were 250.00 a ball.  

5 Balls by InSite:
Almighty          
Revelation   
Second Coming          
SuperNatural          
The Prophecy

Only their latest release was limited to 100.
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They also have 4 balls.  Now you have 900 Global who pours AMF, 900Global, and Lane #1.  900Global has 5 balls released and out to the public.  Globe ball, BAM plastic, Break, Creature, and the overseas DVA open ball.  They are PBA registered for the shoes.  


So, for intensive purposes, 900 Global only has 2 performance releases.
Maybe we should revisit this subject after about 4 or 5, as this seems to be the baseline ofor this site.
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Point is MegaMav get off of you arrogant trip and start throwing you Brunswick balls that die after about and average of 50 games.  I will continue to throw my same break that I have over 100 games on and still be throwing it when you are on you 2nd or 3rd Brunswick ball becuase of ball death.


I thought you were on the right track to making a legitimate argument until you made the above statement. 900 Global doesnt hold a candle to the juggernaut of the bowling ball industry, Brunswick. Bruswick has been the front runner in the market for MANY years, and producing quality products far before you or I were born. I use Brunswick products that are up to 12 years old, and still perform at their peak. Last night I used my 1997 Danger Zone with over 500 games on it with 0 resufaces or rejuventations for a consistent and solid 674 after putting away a new product. The proof is in the pudding. So far 900 Global is only holding the powder packet.
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I have to laugh at everybody that complains about ball death but stays with those companies.  I now have the following balls that have not been resurfaced and still react like new from AMF/900Global.
NightHawk Solid-140 games never resurfaced
Venom-200 games never resurfaced
2-Breaks with 100 games
TNT-120 Games


Congratulations.
Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: revTrex on December 11, 2007, 08:32:46 AM
Consider:

900G produces balls for AMF, Lane #1, and Storm (some).

AMF, Lane #1, and Storm (obviously) have their own forums.

Other companies that DON'T make their own equipment (Insite and Banger) HAVE their own forum.

But 900G DOESN'T HAVE their own forum.

So I ask you, Mega:

Does this not sound a little unfair?
Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: MegaMav on December 11, 2007, 08:37:31 AM
RevTrex,

I applaud their efforts to produce high quality bowling balls on their own behalf and contractually for others.
It is only a matter of time before they get their own forum on here, thats a fact.

But is the time right now?
There is a right of passage it seems on this site.
4-5 performance releases under their name seems to be the baseline.

I'm just stating what I think is happening here.
To be honest with all of you, I think just as production companies should get a forum, the "Out of business" companies should have their forums removed.
Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: tenpin on December 11, 2007, 08:53:54 AM
I was not talking older balls Mega.  The newer south of the border balls are not anything like the state made brunswicks or older.  But if you really want to go there
AMF Bone XS 300+games on it
AMF Focus Reactive Blue 350 +
AMF Bull Whip 500+
AMF NightHawk first release 650+
AMF Cobra 4-500 games.  

Used these balls all the time before I was married and bowled league 5nights a week and tournaments on the weekend.  That is not where I am going with this though and not keep going back and forth.
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Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: newguy on December 11, 2007, 09:39:11 AM
Is producing 5 balls that do the same thing and flood the market the criteria for a forum spot. Or is sharing knowledge about product, performance, resins and care for the product a better reason. Or this is the touchy one, selling on the internet so bowler can go around pro shops to save a few bucks the real criteria.
Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: Curt_Dupre on December 11, 2007, 12:54:33 PM
Hey guys here is my 2 cents. First I throw brunswick's new stuff from south of the border and all of my balls have at 100 games on them and I have yet to resurface them and they react the same as I bought them. Second I think the only ball company with ball death that I know of is EBONITE and its family. I work in a proshop and that is the only ball death company. 900global is great for the sport. Phil Cardinale is probably one of the smartest guys in bowling. We have been selling a ton of 3G shoes ever since they have come out. I am sure 900 global has some of the longest lasting covers as I believe they are pouring BASF covers, the same as the old columbia and track. I would def. be throwing 900global, but their bowling balls are not eligible for the PBA TOUR. I believe though it is registered for the PBA regional tour which is huge. I am sure that when they come out with more bowling balls they will be completely registered. Good Luck Phil and 900 global you have something very special to be able to compete with the top companies. I am sure I will be throwing some of your stuff in the future.

Edited on 12/11/2007 1:55 PM
Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: strikezone_sanantonio on December 11, 2007, 01:06:30 PM
I haven't been on this site in a while and to my suprise InSite and Banger have a forum. This is great for them, but this is an "INFORMATIVE SITE" and should and always be treated as such for all brands. 900 Global's staff and knowledge about design, production, and sales weren't scrapped from the likes of Mickey Mouse. There are many people interested in this brand and have seen as of late a want for their own forum. 900 Global has 2 performance balls (testing 2 new one's now) and have a full line of polyster and shoes. They pro duce not only their own but AMF (affiliate), STORM, and LANE #1. I ask "What is ballreview's criteria for a forum on this site or have we hit a little speed bump on political ground?" I don't like this at all. Leave this site to the bowlers because they've been asking for this forum for a while.


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Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: Danes07 on December 11, 2007, 01:29:58 PM
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I disagree, for BallReviews.com to add a manufacturer to their forums list they need to establish themselves as a stable company on the market. 900 Global has been alive for what? 6 months? I would hardly call that stable. For BallReviews.com to give 900 Global a piece of the pie at this point in their infancy, would not only be hasty but irresponsible.

Edited on 12/11/2007 7:42 AM


How is it irresponsible to give them their own forum on a website that was created for, when you come down to it, ball reviews???

They are a legitimate company in the bowling industry, regardless of how long they have been in operation.  They deserve their own forum, if for no other reason than to allow discussion of their products to go on somewhere else other than the Miscellaneous section or Other Section in the Equipment boards.
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Edited on 12/11/2007 2:30 PM
Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: strikezone_sanantonio on December 11, 2007, 01:33:00 PM
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maybe I should dumb this down a little. this site is owned by someone, and they have the right to do whatever they want.
I feel a timeout coming.


Now we are talking about someone that is looking at this in black and white.
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Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: oprahsdouche on December 11, 2007, 01:44:53 PM
i agree they have a right to do whatever they want, it would just be peachy if mommy/daddy would tell us bad kids why we cant play too??? if you want to throw clout around how many balls do you think insight sells a year?  I have seen more global balls the last month in regionals than insight, to be honest i have yet to see someone throw their ball.  the funny thing now is why have an "other" catagory by giving banger and insight theirs whos really left?  just add the global forum already. i would tend to think there is more knowledge, experience, and sales coming out of that plant then the two combined.
Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: newguy on December 11, 2007, 01:53:07 PM
Leave us alone we are happy where we are.
 We have to answer less questions about products, drillings, performance and the industry. Our followers know how to find us and they get the answers they need. We realy do not have to be or want to be like everyone else.
We offer information to those that ask.

Edited on 12/11/2007 3:42 PM
Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: newguy on December 11, 2007, 03:15:07 PM
Good night, Missy, Good Night John Boy!!!!

It can be a Walton Family Christmas, if no one comes to the forum will it echo?
Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: newguy on December 11, 2007, 03:16:29 PM
Oh it just dawned on me to simply change the name of the company to "OTHER" than we will be just like the rest.
Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: sdbowler on December 11, 2007, 03:22:30 PM
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Oh it just dawned on me to simply change the name of the company to "OTHER" than we will be just like the rest.



Now that is funny, I don't care who you are.
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Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: DP3 on December 11, 2007, 03:37:39 PM
Just rename "other" to 900 Global, or group AMF/900 Global.  There's no reason they shouldn't have their own forum is Banger and Insite, the two Visionary subsidiaries have theirs.  Any arguement against that seems kind of silly.
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Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: qstick777 on December 11, 2007, 06:05:01 PM
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Oh it just dawned on me to simply change the name of the company to "OTHER" than we will be just like the rest.


Careful Phil, Ebonite might steal that name too!  It will fit so nicely with their Next ball.  


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Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: 302efi on December 11, 2007, 06:59:48 PM
Ballreviews.com is privately owned so they can do what they want.

Stop crying people

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Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: newguy on December 12, 2007, 08:06:38 AM
We now have our own forum and the next ball the "Other NEXT" followed by the pearl vrsion the "NEXT other"
Guys don't worry we know were the posts are. I wouldn't know where to look if we had our own forum, I'd still flip to "other"
This is not a big deal....motto"under the radar brother, under the radar"
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Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: newguy on December 18, 2007, 07:26:57 AM
Black only
Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: dw23 on December 18, 2007, 02:25:10 PM
Another qustion: Why does Faball still have a forum. They should just post in the Hammer forum. Replace Faball with 900 Global.
Title: Re: Banger, Insite forums now up; no 900G?
Post by: charlest on December 18, 2007, 02:40:10 PM
I don't believe that all the protest posts here will affect ballreviews and the database that reflect what you would like. Have you and your crew directed any messages to BallReviews-scodaddy21 and/or to BallReviews-TECH to make your case?

I think that the telling factor for him, in the past, with respect to their making forums for MoRich, Dyno-Thane and Lanemasters, has been ONLY the volume of posts discussing their balls. I believe that the number of balls designed and created for sale is not the factor they look at. (Not my decision, theirs!)

While I have not seen the volume of such discussions on 900Global balls, I do believe that Phil Cardinale and his investors are here for the long haul, BUT AGAIN, (I beleive) this is not a factor that Ballreviews looks at to make their decision. I do not have any "in" with them; I state these assumptions based solely on what I have seen happening here over the past 7 years or so.

Good Luck.
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