Post by: Jeffrevs on March 24, 2009, 01:38:36 AM
I'm looking at maybe getting my brother a ball to go behind his Break solid.
The obvious is the pearl, but I'm going to say that's too close and a little more separation would be better....so.....
Do you go to something like a polished or control drilled Maniac, or a Creature, or a Link? I'm thinking Creature or Creature Pearl
Now, I don't have his specs and/or how the ball is drilled, but he's a lefty tweener that plays up the boards ....
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Edited on 3/24/2009 9:44 AM
Post by: leftyinsnellville on March 24, 2009, 09:42:32 AM
Unless you tame the Maniac cover you really won't be "going under" the Break...it'll just be a different path to the pocket.
If he likes his Break, I'd say go with the Break Pearl. The Creature Pearl is a pretty good ball, but it's more than just a step down from the Break...it's a whole different creature (ha-yuck).
Post by: jbuzz31 on March 24, 2009, 09:43:55 AM
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Post by: The Bowlers Edge 2 on March 24, 2009, 09:46:14 AM
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Post by: Jeffrevs on March 24, 2009, 09:46:54 AM
The Break is his first out of the bag ....I'm looking to a ball to change to when the Break is getting to be too much....
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Post by: Jeffrevs on March 24, 2009, 09:55:34 AM
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awakening with favorite layout fits nice under the breaks.
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What's the Awakenings cover rating?
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Post by: Hoselrockets on March 24, 2009, 10:27:13 AM
Break 2.489/ .058 diff
Code 2.47/ .048 diff
hope this helps...
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Post by: Jeffrevs on March 24, 2009, 10:35:49 AM
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I would actually look at the Code. For a good control ball with better length and solid back end motion.
Break 2.489/ .058 diff
Code 2.47/ .048 diff
hope this helps...
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AMF?
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Post by: jimensminger on March 24, 2009, 11:15:37 AM
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Post by: txnohandsam on March 24, 2009, 11:20:09 AM
If you drill a Maniac like others have said pin up, surface prep to 2000 or higher, with maybe a touch of compound or polish to fit nicely under the break.
My CP has a very weak drill pattern with oob coverstock and is very close to the same reaction as my Maniac.
The link can also be a nice choice here just depends how much under the break you are looking.
Sam
Post by: LaneHammer20 on March 24, 2009, 12:08:23 PM
Mine is a good step down when a solid reactinve is getting to be to much. almost perfect step down, stay same spot and same target and i am flush in the pocket.
This ball is one of my favorites, a long time keeper.
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Post by: Jeffrevs on March 24, 2009, 12:11:55 PM
I'd lean toward the solid instead of the pearl just because I know he prefers smoother ...
I must keep the Code in mind too,...
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Post by: slashrr69 on March 24, 2009, 03:09:23 PM
how is your brother's break solid laidout?? if you are looking for a step down and he really likes his break solid, you could always drill another solid and change the layout.. I myself really like my 1st break solid oob dull(pin down 4-7/8 x 3-5/8 x 2-1/2)so I drilled another break solid oob with extender polish(pin up 5 x 5 x 2)really like this one more!! when my 1st one starts burning up too early I can go to the shinny one and it gives the same target area(about a 4 board adjustment with my feet though/same target area) but more entry angle to carry better.. just a thought in a different dirrection instead of trying a different ball.. I find that it is easier to drill another ball that is the same that you really like then it is to do something different and maybe find another ball that is totally different to get what you want out of it.. if your brother likes the soild break try another one with a different drilling on it with some polish.. sorry for rambling on so, good luck on your adventure.. slashrr69
Edited on 3/24/2009 3:11 PM
Post by: Hoselrockets on March 24, 2009, 03:32:04 PM
quote:quote:
I would actually look at the Code. For a good control ball with better length and solid back end motion.
Break 2.489/ .058 diff
Code 2.47/ .048 diff
hope this helps...
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THB
AMF?
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Jeff
The Revless Wonder and King Douchebag!
Yes, AMF...
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THB
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 27, 2009, 08:36:13 AM
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jeffrevs
how is your brother's break solid laidout?? if you are looking for a step down and he really likes his break solid, you could always drill another solid and change the layout.. I myself really like my 1st break solid oob dull(pin down 4-7/8 x 3-5/8 x 2-1/2)so I drilled another break solid oob with extender polish(pin up 5 x 5 x 2)really like this one more!! when my 1st one starts burning up too early I can go to the shinny one and it gives the same target area(about a 4 board adjustment with my feet though/same target area) but more entry angle to carry better.. just a thought in a different dirrection instead of trying a different ball.. I find that it is easier to drill another ball that is the same that you really like then it is to do something different and maybe find another ball that is totally different to get what you want out of it.. if your brother likes the soild break try another one with a different drilling on it with some polish.. sorry for rambling on so, good luck on your adventure.. slashrr69
Edited on 3/24/2009 3:11 PM
Thanks, that actually did cross my mind ...maybe even another Break w/ a control drill on it, really shined up ....thanks again
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Post by: Scraps Z on March 27, 2009, 12:46:32 PM
After reading multiple endorsements on this forum, I then opted for the AMF Villain instead of the Awakening. The separation is definitely there from my Breaks and I can change balls with a slight foot adjustment and still have that same 900G carry.
Give the Villain a look...it's a fantastic piece.
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Post by: golfnutFL on March 27, 2009, 01:12:50 PM
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I rolled the Break solid as my primary ball for most of this season. Due to a recent shot change, the Break Point matches up better for me. However, I too struggled to find a ball between my Breaks and Link. At first I tried TWO Break pearls one drilled identical to my solid and a 2nd with a longer pin to PAP. At first they were ok but I never got a consistent look as I did with the solid.
After reading multiple endorsements on this forum, I then opted for the AMF Villain instead of the Awakening. The separation is definitely there from my Breaks and I can change balls with a slight foot adjustment and still have that same 900G carry.
Give the Villain a look...it's a fantastic piece.
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Post by: Jeffrevs on March 27, 2009, 01:38:49 PM
Something else to throw into the fray, ......
My brother will use his Break into the second game, and finish w/ whatever the second ball is,...so it's not going to be an "inbetween ball" ...it's a 1-2 punch for a mixed league, ...nothing fancy
Kind of a ball to pick up while standing in the same spot...
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Post by: cooksey on March 27, 2009, 01:48:59 PM
cooksey
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Post by: A_P_K on March 27, 2009, 01:53:45 PM
For me the Break is quite a bit stronger than the Break pearl. You can smooth it out with surface adjustments.
There is also the Code, Heist, Villain, and Awakening.
The Awakening for me is a very smooth rolling, even and controllable pearl that has a mild finish. The Villain can also have the same reaction shape depending on surface and layout choices. Both balls have a 45 friction rating.
Even though the Code and Heist are disco'd or heading that way they are also good choices for a step down. For me the Code is a smooth rolling ball with a good midlane and a strong finish. It isn't skid snappy but a strong arc-ing ball. The Heist can be adjusted to fit many conditions it's rep speaks for itself.
I'm not big on the Creature, it either rolled too early on light oil or skid for days on oil. Surface adjustments didn't help it at all. I could be tempted to take a look at the Creature pearl though.
The Link is a good ball but it's probably a bit too far apart from the Break. With it's MB DIF of .005 that's barely noticable, and it's weaker cover particularly doesn't like more than lighter medium oil.
**Some of these can be more than a step down though.**
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Post by: Jeffrevs on March 27, 2009, 01:54:38 PM
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A weaker solid. Creature or code in my opinion. A pearl may be to snappy. Or possibly even the new link. Looks like a solid to me even though global doesn't specify it that way. With a solid I think you will have a few more surface adjustment options as well.
cooksey
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The Red/Black link would make a lot of sense because it's asymmetric..and KOTM could do some magic stuff with it
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Post by: Scraps Z on March 27, 2009, 03:39:51 PM
Still leaning toward the Villain and possibly the Code which I own but have yet to drill.
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Post by: Jeffrevs on March 30, 2009, 09:20:26 AM
Thanks to all who responded w/ ideas!
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Post by: SVstar34 on March 30, 2009, 09:24:35 AM
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Post by: Jeffrevs on March 30, 2009, 09:29:20 AM
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Creature Solid
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My Arsenal:
Rogue Cell (coming soon)
Bounty(4.5 x 4.75 Fresh 1000 Abralon)
Twisted Fury(5 x 4 500 Abralon + Reacta Shine)
Raw Hammer Pain(Leverage 1000 Abralon)
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Uhhhhmmmmmm...it's that what I just said?!
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Post by: charlest on March 30, 2009, 12:42:46 PM
One other note: the Creature solid is bascially a polished Pulse, one of the most pin crushing balls of its day. The right surface and the right drilling can be devastating.
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Post by: Jeffrevs on March 30, 2009, 12:48:17 PM
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Jeff,
One other note: the Creature solid is bascially a polished Pulse, one of the most pin crushing balls of its day. The right surface and the right drilling can be devastating.
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Thank you sir, I'm sure my bro will be happy!
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Jeff
The Revless Wonder and King Douchebag!
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 31, 2009, 06:30:27 AM
I dont' know really what he's talking about, but I've been away for awhile!
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i was thinking low & long pin with a hole... 45 X 5 X 70 with a p1 or p2 hole ( are you keeping up with the current mo-speak?
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Edited on 4/7/2009 9:25 AM
Post by: charlest on March 31, 2009, 07:23:32 AM
Is that (kotm's drilling suggestion) for the Creature solid or which ball?
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Post by: Jeffrevs on March 31, 2009, 07:52:42 AM
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Jeff,
Is that (kotm's drilling suggestion) for the Creature solid or which ball?
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Yes, correct ..that is KOTM, Creature Solid
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Post by: Jeffrevs on April 07, 2009, 09:25:16 AM
Pin is low and just to the inside of his ring (lefty) ..45x5x70 ..
.....O.O
x.....p (x=p1 hole)
......O
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