Post by: smer on January 16, 2010, 08:43:45 AM
Post by: Hoselrockets on January 16, 2010, 05:06:34 PM
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Post by: tdub36tjt on January 16, 2010, 06:43:41 PM
Post by: BWDavy on January 16, 2010, 09:53:58 PM
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I would say the new Break Out would be a good benchmark type ball.
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THB
Given the success I have had with the Break Solid as a benchmark ball, especially polished, I would concur that the new Break Out, given it is the same ball, would be an ideal benchmark ball. Mine has a modified Rico drilling and gives me an even continuous arc.
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Post by: coco3085 on January 18, 2010, 09:13:03 PM
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One pearl
Cherry vibe
14lb agent
skull and cross bones
rogue cell- not my thing
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Post by: abrown on January 19, 2010, 12:29:44 AM
Post by: i_throw_strikes on January 19, 2010, 07:24:13 PM
Post by: Doug Sterner on January 30, 2010, 09:13:57 PM
It's the only non-Lane 1 ball I have in my bag if that says anything....
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Post by: NeverLearn on January 31, 2010, 05:42:03 PM
Do you folks have the least idea what a benchmark ball is or is supposed to be, what properties it supposed to posess?
It is not JUST your favorite ball on the lanes you bowl on.
Post by: smer on February 03, 2010, 03:33:02 PM
Post by: J_w73 on February 03, 2010, 04:14:28 PM
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The Breakout can never be a benchmark ball.
Do you folks have the least idea what a benchmark ball is or is supposed to be, what properties it supposed to posess?
It is not JUST your favorite ball on the lanes you bowl on.
Please elaborate...
I only have one 900 global ball but I think the Creature might qualify.. (if I know what a benchmark ball is).. it might be a little too weak though.. but it really seems to tell me what the lane has to offer.. it will skid on any considerable oil but will also show me the dry areas.. it seems to be a good middle ground ball that tells me if I need a ball that will handle more oil or need to go to a ball for drier conditions.
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Post by: Nicanor on February 03, 2010, 04:38:52 PM
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Post by: NeverLearn on February 03, 2010, 05:50:00 PM
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The Breakout can never be a benchmark ball.
Do you folks have the least idea what a benchmark ball is or is supposed to be, what properties it supposed to posess?
It is not JUST your favorite ball on the lanes you bowl on.
Please elaborate...
I only have one 900 global ball but I think the Creature might qualify.. (if I know what a benchmark ball is).. it might be a little too weak though.. but it really seems to tell me what the lane has to offer.. it will skid on any considerable oil but will also show me the dry areas.. it seems to be a good middle ground ball that tells me if I need a ball that will handle more oil or need to go to a ball for drier conditions.
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HighGame 300 x 4, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience
As far as I am concerned and know, a benchmark ball is ALWAYS a very medium ball: usually a solid resin, although some pearls are very even reacting (e.g. Gladiator Pearl, Ogre Pearl), of medium strength and medium flare that is appropriate to handle medium oil. Its mainuse is to see what the oil situation is on totally unknown patterns and lane surface. It tells you immediately if you can use it or you need an earlier or a later reacting ball. It tells where the oil is and how to attack the "situation".
Some people with higher ball speed or lower rev rate may need a slightly stronger (read: earlier reacting) ball. People with a lower ball speed or more revs thanball speed may need a milder ball.
The Creature, in my opinion, is a perfect benchmark for people who are slighty rev dominant. The Gamebreaker is a perfect benchmark for people who are slightly speed dominant.
The BreakOut, as mentioned above, handles/requires far too much oil and has far too strong a breakpoint to ever be considered a benchmark except for those with extreme ball speed compared to their rev rate (maybe 20 mph and 300 rpms). It is a Virtual Gravity type of ball for medium-heavy oil at the leasy for people with average ball speed and average rev rate.
Post by: charlest on February 03, 2010, 05:52:38 PM
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When I was about to purchase the Bounty Hunter pearl and asked Eric how to drill the BHP for a benchmark ball, he told me the Breakout would make a better benchmark ball. I didn't like the Break so I went with the BHP. This is not a very good benchmark ball. Its way to weak. I don't know if its the coverstock or the weight block, but after drilling it two different ways, I'd have to say, its not a good benchmark ball.
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
May I suggest -
It's not a good benchmark ball for your ball speed.
The Breakpoint or a specific drilling of the BreakOut may be a good benchmark because of your higher than average ballspeed.
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Post by: Nicanor on February 03, 2010, 06:44:46 PM
Thanks again,
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
Post by: EricThomas on February 03, 2010, 06:55:44 PM
/ˈbɛntʃˌmɑrk/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [bench-mahrk] Show IPA
–noun
any standard or reference by which others can be measured or judged: The current price for crude oil may become the benchmark.
The Break Out is OUR recommended benchmark ball.
We (900 Global) determine "benchmark" as a ball that:
A: Fits a variety of bowlers, releases, lane conditions, and area of play
B: Can be used a measuring stick within the line (more hook BH, less Lunatic)
C: Its a mainstay of the product line using a core that is constant
Now you the bowler can interpret any ball as your benchmark ball. But if you own the entire line of 900 Global I would expect that the Break/Break Out would tell you in 3 shots or less which way to move in the line. The Break Out is good on medium conditions although it can handle medium-heavy as well as medium broken down. You can make any ball reaction your benchmark....its just a starting point or reference. Again we push the Break Out.
When i walk into a pro shop (or talk to a bowler even) that has never seen or thrown a 900 Global ball the first thing i tell them to purchase and or throw is the Break Out. Its a solid cover matched with a proven core that fits almost anybody. Thats where you start. IE thats the benchmark.
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Post by: Hoselrockets on February 03, 2010, 07:39:30 PM
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Post by: Track_Fanatic on February 03, 2010, 09:00:22 PM
Post by: Doug Sterner on February 03, 2010, 09:36:57 PM
http://www.dougsproshop.net/images/MyArsenal/15lunatic1.jpg
http://www.dougsproshop.net/images/MyArsenal/15lunatic2.jpg
The layout has remained the same while the new thumbhole is just a little "north" of the old one (the big black plug).
Great midlane read, normally smooth off the spot...
If the ball doesn't get to the pocket I know I need something stronger.
If the ball comes high I know I need something either weaker overall or longer.
To me, that is the definition of "benchmark ball."
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Post by: charlest on February 04, 2010, 06:24:35 AM
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How can you disagree with the sales manager from the company?
Easy. Because I agree with NeverLearn that a benchmark ball is a medium RG, medium flare resin that handles true medium oil for the average revs, average ball speed bowler.
and becasue I know the ball and think Eric''s wrong in this case. He''s not infallible.
Even BTM''s review also said the ball was for oily lanes. Benchmark''s are for medium oil, not medium-heavy and certainly not for heavy oil.
I also have to agree with Doug Sterner here. The Lunatic is their most appropriate ball for a benchmark for the average rev, average ball speed bowler.
A higher ball speed like Nicanor''s can use the BreakOut for a benchmark.
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They know their product(s) inside and out. All their equipment in their current line (and past) have a purpose. They don''''t just put products out like other companies to see if the public takes to it.
The sales manager''s job is to promote the latest and greatest.
Yes, of course, they''re angels on earth in disguise.
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Edited on 2/4/2010 7:50 AM
Post by: Hoselrockets on February 04, 2010, 07:29:58 AM
I can see how people can have different views on Benchmark but once again IMO...the ball has to be adaptable to many different styles. A speed dominate type player can't take a med cover, med rg/diff and make it his bench mark ball because the ball will not read the lane due to that style.
I guess this will be a topic that everyone agrees to disagree...
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Post by: srlunatic on February 04, 2010, 07:37:01 AM
Benchmark is the ball that you use to read the lane conditions and then have a ball higher...a ball lower...
To me and the 900G Current Lineup..
Break Out would be a perfect benchmark..
1 up Bounty Hunter
1 down Lunatic
Or even 2 up... BH and BHP
2 down...Lunatic and Link
Now I wouldn't be putting a 4 x 4 on my benchmark ball to get max out of it...would match a layout to my speed and PAP to give good midlane and all control...
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Post by: tdub36tjt on February 04, 2010, 11:54:17 AM
Post by: BWDavy on February 04, 2010, 09:14:31 PM
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The Breakout can never be a benchmark ball.
Do you folks have the least idea what a benchmark ball is or is supposed to be, what properties it supposed to posess?
It is not JUST your favorite ball on the lanes you bowl on.
I have a Break Solid drilled with a modified Rico layout. POlished, this ball gives me a nice midlane read with an even, continuous arc to the pocket. It sits perfectly in the middle of my 900Global/AMF range. I am a slightly above medium speed, mid-range rev player and this is ALWAYS the first ball out of the bag to give me a read, tournament pattern or THS.
And yes, I do know what a benchmark ball is and it's required properties. Just because it is not a benchmark ball for you, does not mean it can't be for anyone else. That's the beauty of our sport.
Props to Eric for his input. He didn't need to risk getting flamed.
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Post by: tenpin on February 05, 2010, 06:19:10 AM
Even BTM''''s review also said the ball was for oily lanes. Benchmark''''s are for medium oil, not medium-heavy and certainly not for heavy oil.[/quote]
****Charlest do you own a Break Out? I don''t know how you can''t agree this is a benchmark ball. I have owned 5 Break Solids and now own 2 Break Outs. I have one drilled very strong and one drilled Similar to my Benchmark Break Solid. I do use my Break Out as a Benchmark now. I can use it on any house shot just by adjusting my feet and hand position. The cover is very easily adjustable.
[/quote]The sales manager''''s job is to promote the latest and greatest. [/quote]
I would agree with you on most sales managers but you are way off when you say this about Eric. This is the same sales manager that when I was going to buy a strong ball for a tournament 2 years ago. Out of all the new balls I had on my list as most people put it Newsest and Greatest. Guess what he got me to buy? A brand new Radar Alert.... Not so new is it.
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Edited on 2/5/2010 7:23 AM
Post by: coco3085 on February 11, 2010, 07:12:51 PM
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201 league average 2 leagues
break point pearl
Mutant cell
Magic action
Cherry vibe
14lb agent-first ball I ever owned
skull and cross bones
rogue cell- not my thing