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Equipment Boards => 900 Global => Topic started by: michael.willis9 on December 03, 2018, 01:55:59 PM
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Ok ok, so I was looking at getting the xmas boost, and Doom gave me some good advice.... then i started looking and saw the bubble gum boost and it looked pretty cool. but then somebody said they've heard mixed reviews about both.
then somebody mentioned the after dark pearl is great.
Now i'm not sure which way to go? anyone had more than one of these? or one that could give an opinion?
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I'd say it depends on what you mean by burn and what reaction you're trying to get.
The After Dark is smoother due to lower differential and weaker cover than the Boosts. The Boosts offer a lot of performance for the price and seem to do well as a ball to move in and use the friction on the backend. I believe Doom highly recommends going longer pin-pap on the Boosts
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I'd say it depends on what you mean by burn and what reaction you're trying to get.
The After Dark is smoother due to lower differential and weaker cover than the Boosts. The Boosts offer a lot of performance for the price and seem to do well as a ball to move in and use the friction on the backend. I believe Doom highly recommends going longer pin-pap on the Boosts
If you're looking to cover boards while getting the ball pretty clean down lane, then a Boost with a longer pin to pap is the answer. For me, my pearl drilled 5*35 is super clean, and doesn't stop when it makes the turn, but it's not a "burn" ball, it's more of a fifth or sixth game need to go left to right without the ball puking early on me kind of reaction. When something stronger like a HB is reading too soon, I can ball down and get the same look, only for less volume.
Now, I will say if you go with a 2 inch pin to pap on a Boost, it will be much smoother. Daria used one with a 1 inch pin to pap at the US open, I believe, and she was able to stay right for a good while.
Now, if the heads are fries and you're looking to get it down the lane as effortlessly as you can, After Dark Pearl. S30 is just so much easier to get down the lane.
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I'd say it depends on what you mean by burn and what reaction you're trying to get.
The After Dark is smoother due to lower differential and weaker cover than the Boosts. The Boosts offer a lot of performance for the price and seem to do well as a ball to move in and use the friction on the backend. I believe Doom highly recommends going longer pin-pap on the Boosts
If you're looking to cover boards while getting the ball pretty clean down lane, then a Boost with a longer pin to pap is the answer. For me, my pearl drilled 5*35 is super clean, and doesn't stop when it makes the turn, but it's not a "burn" ball, it's more of a fifth or sixth game need to go left to right without the ball puking early on me kind of reaction. When something stronger like a HB is reading too soon, I can ball down and get the same look, only for less volume.
Now, I will say if you go with a 2 inch pin to pap on a Boost, it will be much smoother. Daria used one with a 1 inch pin to pap at the US open, I believe, and she was able to stay right for a good while.
Now, if the heads are fries and you're looking to get it down the lane as effortlessly as you can, After Dark Pearl. S30 is just so much easier to get down the lane.
i'm not a board coverer haha.
and maybe burn was a bad choice of words. on the fresh, the house i bowl likes to lay down oil inbetween the 3 boards and leave the outside dry. I'm looking for a ball i can play up the gutter with.
but with the way it is now, my hyroad overreacts going straight up the outside, i can easily swing out to it but i want something that'll give a different look going down and in as opposed to covering some boards out and then back in
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I'd say it depends on what you mean by burn and what reaction you're trying to get.
The After Dark is smoother due to lower differential and weaker cover than the Boosts. The Boosts offer a lot of performance for the price and seem to do well as a ball to move in and use the friction on the backend. I believe Doom highly recommends going longer pin-pap on the Boosts
If you're looking to cover boards while getting the ball pretty clean down lane, then a Boost with a longer pin to pap is the answer. For me, my pearl drilled 5*35 is super clean, and doesn't stop when it makes the turn, but it's not a "burn" ball, it's more of a fifth or sixth game need to go left to right without the ball puking early on me kind of reaction. When something stronger like a HB is reading too soon, I can ball down and get the same look, only for less volume.
Now, I will say if you go with a 2 inch pin to pap on a Boost, it will be much smoother. Daria used one with a 1 inch pin to pap at the US open, I believe, and she was able to stay right for a good while.
Now, if the heads are fries and you're looking to get it down the lane as effortlessly as you can, After Dark Pearl. S30 is just so much easier to get down the lane.
i'm not a board coverer haha.
and maybe burn was a bad choice of words. on the fresh, the house i bowl likes to lay down oil inbetween the 3 boards and leave the outside dry. I'm looking for a ball i can play up the gutter with.
but with the way it is now, my hyroad overreacts going straight up the outside, i can easily swing out to it but i want something that'll give a different look going down and in as opposed to covering some boards out and then back in
After Dark Pearl.
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I'd say it depends on what you mean by burn and what reaction you're trying to get.
The After Dark is smoother due to lower differential and weaker cover than the Boosts. The Boosts offer a lot of performance for the price and seem to do well as a ball to move in and use the friction on the backend. I believe Doom highly recommends going longer pin-pap on the Boosts
If you're looking to cover boards while getting the ball pretty clean down lane, then a Boost with a longer pin to pap is the answer. For me, my pearl drilled 5*35 is super clean, and doesn't stop when it makes the turn, but it's not a "burn" ball, it's more of a fifth or sixth game need to go left to right without the ball puking early on me kind of reaction. When something stronger like a HB is reading too soon, I can ball down and get the same look, only for less volume.
Now, I will say if you go with a 2 inch pin to pap on a Boost, it will be much smoother. Daria used one with a 1 inch pin to pap at the US open, I believe, and she was able to stay right for a good while.
Now, if the heads are fries and you're looking to get it down the lane as effortlessly as you can, After Dark Pearl. S30 is just so much easier to get down the lane.
i'm not a board coverer haha.
and maybe burn was a bad choice of words. on the fresh, the house i bowl likes to lay down oil inbetween the 3 boards and leave the outside dry. I'm looking for a ball i can play up the gutter with.
but with the way it is now, my hyroad overreacts going straight up the outside, i can easily swing out to it but i want something that'll give a different look going down and in as opposed to covering some boards out and then back in
After Dark Pearl.
you da man!!!
and i really need to learn to be more clear with what i want and for what situation haha
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I'd say it depends on what you mean by burn and what reaction you're trying to get.
The After Dark is smoother due to lower differential and weaker cover than the Boosts. The Boosts offer a lot of performance for the price and seem to do well as a ball to move in and use the friction on the backend. I believe Doom highly recommends going longer pin-pap on the Boosts
If you're looking to cover boards while getting the ball pretty clean down lane, then a Boost with a longer pin to pap is the answer. For me, my pearl drilled 5*35 is super clean, and doesn't stop when it makes the turn, but it's not a "burn" ball, it's more of a fifth or sixth game need to go left to right without the ball puking early on me kind of reaction. When something stronger like a HB is reading too soon, I can ball down and get the same look, only for less volume.
Now, I will say if you go with a 2 inch pin to pap on a Boost, it will be much smoother. Daria used one with a 1 inch pin to pap at the US open, I believe, and she was able to stay right for a good while.
Now, if the heads are fries and you're looking to get it down the lane as effortlessly as you can, After Dark Pearl. S30 is just so much easier to get down the lane.
i'm not a board coverer haha.
and maybe burn was a bad choice of words. on the fresh, the house i bowl likes to lay down oil inbetween the 3 boards and leave the outside dry. I'm looking for a ball i can play up the gutter with.
but with the way it is now, my hyroad overreacts going straight up the outside, i can easily swing out to it but i want something that'll give a different look going down and in as opposed to covering some boards out and then back in
After Dark Pearl.
you da man!!!
and i really need to learn to be more clear with what i want and for what situation haha
No problems whatsoever! It's what I do!
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I Have had a lot of dry lane/ short oil balls over the years. After Dark might be one of the best ever. Not only does it let me stay relatively squared up outside as a house shot breaks down, it gives me way more pop if I have to move in to 15 board.
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I Have had a lot of dry lane/ short oil balls over the years. After Dark might be one of the best ever. Not only does it let me stay relatively squared up outside as a house shot breaks down, it gives me way more pop if I have to move in to 15 board.
As good as the Ride?
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avabob,
Which After Dark ……..Solid or Pearl?
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After dark pearl.
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avabob,
I would like to hear from you. After Dark solid or After Dark pearl.
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Solid. Also, someone mentioned the Ride. I loved that ball out of the box on one specific house shot, but never had much luck after that.
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Chiming in on this topic... Also interested in a good ball for hooking heads or just attempting to keep my angle in front of me. My weakest ball is the Desert Ops and has been a gem!
Is the After Dark Pearl noticeably easier through the heads? I've been debating on this or a Shadow Ops. The concern with the shadow appears that it may need some oil in the heads. Mix reviews and tough to decipher most staffers reviews as most just throw on to paper what I can read in the marketing of the ball.
Quick specs: 5" right x 1/2" up (PAP), 16mph (break point), 450ish rev rate, moderate axis rotation, low tilt.
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Chiming in on this topic... Also interested in a good ball for hooking heads or just attempting to keep my angle in front of me. My weakest ball is the Desert Ops and has been a gem!
Is the After Dark Pearl noticeably easier through the heads? I've been debating on this or a Shadow Ops. The concern with the shadow appears that it may need some oil in the heads. Mix reviews and tough to decipher most staffers reviews as most just throw on to paper what I can read in the marketing of the ball.
Quick specs: 5" right x 1/2" up (PAP), 16mph (break point), 450ish rev rate, moderate axis rotation, low tilt.
If the heads are fried, no Shadow Ops. It is 80% urethane and is at 1000 oob. It's a good control ball with some hit, but will check at your foot if the heads are blown up.
Now, Desert Ops is S70 pearl, which makes the cover strong, but the core is weak(ER). If you need more push, S30 will will definitely give it to you. A long time ago, I used to carry my S75 and Link with me, and that was mostly it. When they got chopped up, my Link would easily push another 6 to 7 feet where the stronger cover would check early.
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Not as familiar with Global stuff as msny if you guys, but the after dark solid is unique among dry lane balls for me. Part is that I match up well with the tall cores, but that surface really matches up to give me a great back end reaction without a lot if side ways movement. Heavy roll while staying behind the ball at release.
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I have an After Dark Solid as well. My only regret is I should have laid it out pin down with a weaker VAL angle/pin buffer. I've never had a lot of success with super high pin positions but this one is essentially on the center line above the bridge with a 1" pin buffer. I believe 65x5"x25 for dual angle.
Some have compared it to the Storm Hustle Ink which I also thought was a great ball, had one before switching 16 to 15lbs. Hard to compare reaction differences as that one was pin down.
I'm eager to give the After Dark Pearl a go around.
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I have an After Dark Solid as well. My only regret is I should have laid it out pin down with a weaker VAL angle/pin buffer. I've never had a lot of success with super high pin positions but this one is essentially on the center line above the bridge with a 1" pin buffer. I believe 65x5"x25 for dual angle.
Some have compared it to the Storm Hustle Ink which I also thought was a great ball, had one before switching 16 to 15lbs. Hard to compare reaction differences as that one was pin down.
I'm eager to give the After Dark Pearl a go around.
With those core numbers 5*25 isn't a good idea. You need to either go stronger flaring pin placement and small angle, or lower flaring pin placement and bigger angle.
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I echo a lot of the sentiments here. The Boost was stronger than advertised. My Bubblegum boost can handle a bit more oil, and hooks a lot more, than even my X2. I was surprised. It created overlap with pieces I liked more, so I wound up getting rid of my Bubble Gum boost.
I recently got an After Dark Solid with a pin-in-palm layout...that thing gets down lane very easily. I'll be getting the ADP at some point, and going with a pretty aggressive layout. These are two great pieces that no other companies really have - very mild resin with a smooth core. I'd love to see this core on a stronger cover, to be honest.
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I echo a lot of the sentiments here. The Boost was stronger than advertised. My Bubblegum boost can handle a bit more oil, and hooks a lot more, than even my X2. I was surprised. It created overlap with pieces I liked more, so I wound up getting rid of my Bubble Gum boost.
I recently got an After Dark Solid with a pin-in-palm layout...that thing gets down lane very easily. I'll be getting the ADP at some point, and going with a pretty aggressive layout. These are two great pieces that no other companies really have - very mild resin with a smooth core. I'd love to see this core on a stronger cover, to be honest.
If you look at the AD core, it's basically a modified Sure thing core. Much higher RG, bit lower diff.
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Not to hijack the thread, we're talking about equipment for toasty lanes... Does anyone have any experience rolling a Desert Ops (barely asymmetrical) against the After Dark Pearl. The numbers look very similar but coverstocks...
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I’m about to order my after dark pearl tomorrow. I also gotta talk to my PSO about a pitch change. My thumb swelling is getting out of hand
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Not to hijack the thread, we're talking about equipment for toasty lanes... Does anyone have any experience rolling a Desert Ops (barely asymmetrical) against the After Dark Pearl. The numbers look very similar but coverstocks...
S70 pearl is going to respond harder to friction than S30 anything. The reason the desert ops was made is because they tried that core with the S70 solid, and it was too touchy. The pearl at least makes it to where you get a little bounce off of the dry.
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I used both of my After Darks drilled the same on our THS which has a bunch of friction starting in the midlane. Both of these balls were great all night. What I was wanting was something to not push super long and change directions quickly or something to roll midlane and go left. These two easily accomplished this need. Yes I had some recovery room due to the friction downlane however, that is not my goal when throwing these two on that shot. Where these shine is allowing me to play more direct and closer to the dry with a smoother response on the backend. I can easily play a much tighter line closer to the headpin without any overreaction on the backend. These balls will show you that you do not need to open your angles to carry and score. I'm pretty impressed for a entry level reactive. These are definitely something our line has been lacking in years past.
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Not to hijack the thread, we're talking about equipment for toasty lanes... Does anyone have any experience rolling a Desert Ops (barely asymmetrical) against the After Dark Pearl. The numbers look very similar but coverstocks...
S70 pearl is going to respond harder to friction than S30 anything. The reason the desert ops was made is because they tried that core with the S70 solid, and it was too touchy. The pearl at least makes it to where you get a little bounce off of the dry.
Doom you hit the nail on the head. I agree the Desert Ops is too touchy and speed sensitive on dry lanes. While it can be a ball for this situation for some bowlers, I don't think it will work for everyone as there are better options in our line. It was definitely way more ball than I think most anticipated it would be. IMO I feel the Break Down worked better for this situation when compared to a Desert Ops.
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Just ordered my AD pearl through my PSO. I’ll have it in hands Tuesday
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Iamone78: you described exactly what I wanted, and got from my AD solid. Most unique, and useful dry lane ball I have owned
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I'm thinking about grabbing both of these whenever possible. Anyone drill one with a 4 inch pin or in that realm yet?
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So I picked up my ADP and it’s everything I wanted. This ball is unbelievably smooth. In trying to explain it to my wife, the ball doesn’t hook, it starts right and migrates to the pocket. There will never be any overreaction with this ball
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I'm thinking about grabbing both of these whenever possible. Anyone drill one with a 4 inch pin or in that realm yet?
The stronger pin seems to just make them more round in shape down lane, but because of the lower diff, it's negligible.
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I drilled an ADS way too tall as noted in the earlier in the thread. My ADP just arrived so round 2 going to go with a 5" pin to PAP below the fingers. Granted dual angle doesn't apply something like 65x5x65.