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Equipment Boards => 900 Global => Topic started by: Matt Fortney on October 30, 2015, 08:52:19 PM
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Got to drill and roll a Black Ops for the first time today. It's not often I come immediately to ballreviews to talk about a ball, but I had to with this one.
Layout is 50 x 5 1/4 x 40.
Tilt: 10
Rotation: 70
Revs: 375-400
Speed- 16-16.5 on screen (down lane)
Pap: 4 1/2 right, 3/4 up.
On my house's heavyish volume THS, this ball is something else. There wasn't much for midlane movement, but I could see the ball reading the midlanes well. Almost like it was setting itself up for a big turn at the breakpoint. I wouldn't quite say it was skid-snappy, but it gave me a really hard arcing backend motion. Plenty of recovery when I got it outside too far or too quickly. Hit and carry was impressive.
At the point, the only criticism I could possibly come up with, is referring to it as a "heavy oil" ball. It could be I think, with the right surface and layout, but out of the box I would say it's closer to medium-medium/heavy. That's looking for something I don't like about it though. To be honest, it's an excellent ball in my mind, and I'm really excited about throwing it more.
As a bonus, it's probably the best looking all black bowling ball I've ever seen :)
Matt
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Yeah I been looking at one for a while trying to decide if I should get one..
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I'll probably bring the camera down to the bowling alley tomorrow morning and take some video. It won't be a big production by any means, but it'll at least give ya an...unbiased idea of what to expect. I might even show some misses! lol.
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I'll probably bring the camera down to the bowling alley tomorrow morning and take some video. It won't be a big production by any means, but it'll at least give ya an...unbiased idea of what to expect. I might even show some misses! lol.
SWEET, thanks!
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Get one now. Period. I just punched one tonight, went 50*4.5*35, and ball is stupid off the friction. If there is one critique, its the 1500 polished surface. Throw some surface on it if you're looking at some volume.
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Get one now. Period. I just punched one tonight, went 50*4.5*35, and ball is stupid off the friction. If there is one critique, its the 1500 polished surface. Throw some surface on it if you're looking at some volume.
Yes sir, captain! You have twisted my arm, price makes it hard not to get it anyway!
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Get one now. Period. I just punched one tonight, went 50*4.5*35, and ball is stupid off the friction. If there is one critique, its the 1500 polished surface. Throw some surface on it if you're looking at some volume.
^^^ I don't disagree with this. It really is (so far, anyway) pretty impressive. And fun to throw lol.
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isn't this just a remake of the Eagle or something new to the mix?
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isn't this just a remake of the Eagle or something new to the mix?
I'm sure someone will be able to clarify more, but I think it's kind of a re-hash of it. Lower intermediate diff if I remember right. I've never had an eagle, or for that matter, any 900 Global, so it's definitely something new to me!
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Yes... Started with The Break, then Purple Eagle, then Black Eagle, now Black Ops.
I think they are all the same cover/core. I had several and like them all!
Scott
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Yes... Started with The Break, then Purple Eagle, then Black Eagle, now Black Ops.
I think they are all the same cover/core. I had several and like them all!
Scott
the Break Out was in there too
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They're all the same ball. War eagle was a bit less, but at last count, this is maybe the 5th or 6th reiteration of the ball. Why mess with perfection?
But please, get rid of the 1500 polished surface.
(I'm not a fan of it on anything, to be fair. :p )
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Damn it!! Thanks Matt. You just made my decision for me. It's ordered!
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I had the purple/violet Eagle, three Black Eagles and the BE Pearl. All were great. The Black Ops is better yet, even with the OOB surface. I am going to try mine at different surfaces. The S70 cover handles surface changes very well.
I would guess the resins used today in the S70 shell are better than the original Eagles.
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Took some video this morning, but my virus ridden computer (thanks daughters...) won't recognize the format it recorded in. Maybe I'll just upload some raw footage and let you guys skip through the boring stuff (re-racks and what not). Better than nothing? lol. Barely...
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Absolutely better than nothing. I have been contemplating this ball for some time. Really wouldn't mind seeing some more video.
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Absolutely better than nothing. I have been contemplating this ball for some time. Really wouldn't mind seeing some more video.
just look up a black eagle/pearl
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Well I will order mine Monday, thanks Matt and Doom you guys made it easy. lol
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I honestly can say you will not regret it.
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Got mine this past week. Too much oil during league to try at oob. Going to practice tomorrow and see how it does. Have a Big Dream to test this week as well. Hope to post a video of the two in another week or so after getting in some practice.
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Got mine this past week. Too much oil during league to try at oob. Going to practice tomorrow and see how it does. Have a Big Dream to test this week as well. Hope to post a video of the two in another week or so after getting in some practice.
Interested in how it does for you..
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Got mine this past week. Too much oil during league to try at oob. Going to practice tomorrow and see how it does. Have a Big Dream to test this week as well. Hope to post a video of the two in another week or so after getting in some practice.
Oob, its not for heavy oil. S70 takes surface changes well.
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Wasn't heavy oil but enough that it would be too over under at bix. I may change surface later but I'd rather keep it shiny for now incase I do cone across a condition where that surface is needed. Going to use it as a ball down from the Dream Big which has a little more surface at box finish. Great looking ball I'm excited about.
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Wasn't heavy oil but enough that it would be too over under at bix. I may change surface later but I'd rather keep it shiny for now incase I do cone across a condition where that surface is needed. Going to use it as a ball down from the Dream Big which has a little more surface at box finish. Great looking ball I'm excited about.
what has drawn you to 900G?
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Wasn't heavy oil but enough that it would be too over under at bix. I may change surface later but I'd rather keep it shiny for now incase I do cone across a condition where that surface is needed. Going to use it as a ball down from the Dream Big which has a little more surface at box finish. Great looking ball I'm excited about.
If you want it shiny, take it down and apply your own polish. I can't tell you how much I hate 1500 polished. Trust me on this one.
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Lol i believe you.
I don't use polish. I may eventually knock the shine off. Right now it's super shiny and i will leave it be till I get some games in.
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Wasn't heavy oil but enough that it would be too over under at bix. I may change surface later but I'd rather keep it shiny for now incase I do cone across a condition where that surface is needed. Going to use it as a ball down from the Dream Big which has a little more surface at box finish. Great looking ball I'm excited about.
what has drawn you to 900G?
Just liked the looks of a video with the Dream Big and the looks of the Black Ops. The Black Ops core is a great core and wanted something with it to try. Almost bought a purple/pinkish Eagle a few years back and wish I had.
With the 3 new releases I got in from Brunswick with the Nirvana, Thug Life, and Supreme the Supreme was the only one I was tempted to try but I will probably pass on. I live in central Arkasas and hadn't seen a 900G/AMF ball on a shelf here in probably 10 years. Hadn't seen anyone throw any of their newer stuff in years either.
Figured these were two good balls to try out. Also considering the 2 new Roto releases as well. Hadn't thrown anything out of San Antonio since Columbia/Track left. Great equipment just not anything I really wanted to try enough to DV8 from what I was using.
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Understandable. Thanks for the honest update.
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If I like a ball I will tell you, if I don't… .same thing. Theres plenty I haven't liked lol or thought were okay.
Most important thing in sales or most things is not talking down another product but explaining why they should try yours instead.
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Not to stray off the OP but I think the ball that is going to shock everyone is the All In. I love strong sanded pearls and this is rated stronger than the Einstein, Swerve, Menace, Haywire ect.... by BJI. I know it's hard to believe but after watching some vids on it I'm starting to believe it.
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I really like my Einstein which is another reason I'm not drilling some of the newer stuff. It's a much more user friendly ball on most conditions for a hp ball vs the usual Super soakers in that price point.
The All In is a great looking ball. If I don't buy the Roto stuff I may try it next.
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I'm shocked a ball that came out a few months ago is getting this much buzz. I drilled one up a few months ago and absolutely love it. The factory shine is a little much so hit the back flares with 500 to calm it down. A good comedown ball off this is the breakdown. Kinda give you the same midlane look without the backend motion.
I'm not too sure about that all in, a few 900 global staffers I've talked to haven't had anything too good to say about it. They have talked me out of that cause it won't make the corner. But they are liking the dark matter and have said it might be a little more ball than advertised. The dark matter might be another good comedown ball off the black ops.
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This computer is so bad that it won't even let me upload the raw footage! So frustrating! I'll be at my dad's tomorrow and I'll throw something together and get it online.
As for the All In, I'm kind of intrigued by it. Honestly, it seems like I'll either totally love it, or totally hate it. I haven't really decided whether or not I'll pull the trigger on it yet. I will be buying a new Global, just not sure which one yet. Can't decide if I want to go above or below the Black Ops. I'd probably get more use out of something below it, but that's not nearly as fun and exciting is it? lol.
On one hand, I can see the Black Ops being a great option after opening up the lane a bit with a Dream Big or even a Respect with some surfcace. On the other hand, I can see the Break Down or Dark Matter being good to go to once the Ops starts getting a little iffy on me. Decisions, decisions.
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IDK from what I've seen the all in doesn't look like it has a problem making the corner. Time will tell drilling up mine this week.
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I tell ya they have a bunch of stuff that looks good, I just got a Night Hawk and going to get some 900 pieces, but AMF has some nice pieces as well. The Unreal looks very intriguing.
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Ball above = Dream On. Ball is soooo sick.
Ball below = Dark Matter. Haven't even thrown one but it looks better.
I'm not too sure about the All In. There are cores I match up with, and ones I don't, and I don't think I match up with the Clockwork core.
Shout out for the Night Hawk SE and Encore. Night Hawk SE is so good.
Unreal... SRC core is one I match up with. I'll give a review of that one as soon as I can afford one lol.
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Anyone ever notice that the All In, as well as the rest of the series, has a core that is reminiscent to the Jack core from the Revolver line for B? The numbers differ, but they mimic each other in shape. I found that intriguing after the whole Moxie/Inferno core shape.
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Me too, till I checked and it was used by global first on the Maniac
http://www.ballreviews.com/900global/maniac-t935.0.html (http://www.ballreviews.com/900global/maniac-t935.0.html)
Did like that the Storm Joyride is using a classic Track core from some of the Heat and other lines like the Equation.
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Ah, I hated the Maniac. I did love the Lunatic though, but it used a different core.
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Hey guys, as a warning, there's no music, so check your volume so you're not deafened by bowling sounds once they start lol.
Also, I was going to put misses in, but once I edited them out, it was kind of hard to find them again! I missed 3 times. 2 flat tens, and a 3, 4, 6, 7 that I threw slow and inside...not a good combination lol.
Enjoy!
https://youtu.be/dpYmsXeulEQ
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Not bad for short notice lol. Really good drive down lane
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I would have believed that you threw 14 in a row. Just sayin.
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Hey guys, as a warning, there's no music, so check your volume so you're not deafened by bowling sounds once they start lol.
Also, I was going to put misses in, but once I edited them out, it was kind of hard to find them again! I missed 3 times. 2 flat tens, and a 3, 4, 6, 7 that I threw slow and inside...not a good combination lol.
Enjoy!
https://youtu.be/dpYmsXeulEQ
Nice video Matt! Ball gets down lane great with that drill and nice and strong on back, looks good!
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Nice video. Thanks for your efforts. Boy that ball looks good going down the lane!
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I would have believed that you threw 14 in a row. Just sayin.
I mean yeah, I didn't edit anything out...lol.
Thanks guys! It's not often I feel compelled to make a ball video. This one was a bit different. I can't wait to throw it again!
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Nice video Matt. Glad the layout worked for you. PM me sometime if you have other asym concerns.
By the way, how is your rev rate measured? Not doubting it. Just curious.
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Nice video Matt. Glad the layout worked for you. PM me sometime if you have other asym concerns.
By the way, how is your rev rate measured? Not doubting it. Just curious.
Don't remember the exact math, but you count how many times it rotates in a certain period of time, then multiply by whatever you need to to make a minute. There are videos on YouTube of how to do it. You may need to put a piece of tape on the ball from your pap toward your fingers so you can see each revolution.
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I know how to do it. I was curious as to how you did yours is all.
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I know how to do it. I was curious as to how you did yours is all.
Oh I got ya. Measured it last season, ^^like that. Measured it a few times. It was always anywhere from 370-380. Think it's a bit off?
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Its so hard to tell by watching. I've been estimated at 375 myself but it appears I'd be 400+ if you're 375.
Regardless the ball looks great and the layout worked so no need to overthink it
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Ball above = Dream On. Ball is soooo sick.
Ball below = Dark Matter. Haven't even thrown one but it looks better.
I'm not too sure about the All In. There are cores I match up with, and ones I don't, and I don't think I match up with the Clockwork core.
Shout out for the Night Hawk SE and Encore. Night Hawk SE is so good.
Unreal... SRC core is one I match up with. I'll give a review of that one as soon as I can afford one lol.
I'm not so sure the Dark Matter is weaker than the black ops......my DM is definitely earlier than my black ops. Ithe was not at all what I was expecting. I haven't thrown it much yet but early signs point to the s60 cover being underrated in strength.
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@tdub36tjt: Thanks for the heads up. What would you suggest under the Black Ops? The Break Down? The All Night? or one of the Boosts?
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The break down if you want a smoother backend the boost if you want a little bit more of a flippy type reaction. With your release the break down should still have plenty of backend. Its one of those balls that doesn't ever seem to over react but it does have trouble making the corner when I get deep sometimes. But I think the shot from your video has more backend reaction than the shots I'm typically on.
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If the DM.is stronger than the Ops, I'm in trouble. :)
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If the DM.is stronger than the Ops, I'm in trouble. :)
I highly doubt it, reviews have this ball fairly below the ops. I'm hearing more of a smoother than angular motion.
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I've heard the opposite. Guess I'll have to try one!
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I'll report back later this week but I couldn't even keep the DM on the lanedge last Thursday. I was really confused by it myself.
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How did you lay yours out?
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Pin under bridge about 4.5" from pap weight hole down 1" from PAP on val.
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Got one game of practice in on Sunday with the Black ops and had a really good reaction. Ball is at box finish and of course is very clean through the front of the lanes and made a very good move down lane off of the friction.
Last night I tried the ball in league. Still at box finish I started of the night standing a little further right and really had a great look with the ball. Little more friction then the week before which gave me a little room and not as much over under to worry about with the shined surface. Ball continued to clear the front of the lanes and down lane made a very strong move. Just a fun ball to throw and was exactly what I was hoping for with this ball and finally getting to try this core.
Moved about 6 board in by the start of the second game and continued to feed the ball right and watch it coming screaming back. By the third game the lanes started to change a little bit with some of the styles on the lane and started to have a smaller area to work with comfortably. By the 4th frame I switched to my Aura which has a little surface and was able to stay lined up to finish the game. I will probably wait one more week before adjusting the surface slightly to knock the shine off and give the ball a little more versatility compared to box finish.
Really liked what I saw from this ball last night. Glad I bought one to try out. Looking forward to also trying the Dream Big this upcoming week as well.
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Kid, glad you're liking what you saw! Can't wait to see what you think of the Big. For me, even with it being sanded, my On is harder off the spot than my Ops, and my Dream is even harder than that. Big will be smoother with it being 79.
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That's almost exactly how I feel about the Polish. It serves its purpose well at that finish, as long as you know when to put it away. Part of me wants to knock off the Polish to make it usable for longer, but I like the reaction so much as is its hard to convince myself to do it.
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Kid, glad you're liking what you saw! Can't wait to see what you think of the Big. For me, even with it being sanded, my On is harder off the spot than my Ops, and my Dream is even harder than that. Big will be smoother with it being 79.
Are the layouts similar on the Blops and Dream?
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Matt it would be an easy ball to have two for that reason.
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Kid, glad you're liking what you saw! Can't wait to see what you think of the Big. For me, even with it being sanded, my On is harder off the spot than my Ops, and my Dream is even harder than that. Big will be smoother with it being 79.
Are the layouts similar on the Blops and Dream?
In ways. Both have about a 5-5.25" pin to pap.
The black ops had a longer pin so it is drilled about 50ish x 5 x 35ish
The dream had a shorter pin and is roughly 60ish x 5 x 50ish
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Kid, glad you're liking what you saw! Can't wait to see what you think of the Big. For me, even with it being sanded, my On is harder off the spot than my Ops, and my Dream is even harder than that. Big will be smoother with it being 79.
Are the layouts similar on the Blops and Dream?
Yep.
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I actually have a Black Eagle that is 50x5x65 and I keep that with some surface. The 2 contrast very well. I also have a War Eagle that is less than the Ops, and have a NIB WE and Break Point Solid in hiding. :)
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And there we go.
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Just figure I would update. Must have been the way the shot broke down the week before making the dark matter stronger than the black ops. Actually threw both on the fresh last Thursday. The black ops is definitely the stronger piece. The dark matter covered equal boards for me but was more of that symmetrical type reaction in the backend.
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Just figure I would update. Must have been the way the shot broke down the week before making the dark matter stronger than the black ops. Actually threw both on the fresh last Thursday. The black ops is definitely the stronger piece. The dark matter covered equal boards for me but was more of that symmetrical type reaction in the backend.
Whew! I about lost my cool!
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How would the Break Out compliment the Black Ops? I don't hear anything about it.
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I love my Break Out. I don't and won't have a Black Ops but based on what I've read, the Break Out is about 2 feet earlier than Black Ops. Of course, drilling and surface changes can change all that but OOB is what I'm basing it off of.
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Used mine this past week for 3 games during league and was extremely pleased. The ball had about 5 games prior to that night and was still at box finish. Was able to stay further right almost the entire set and had a great look with great carry.
The closest thing I can compare it to is my LT48. This being stronger and a little bit earlier on the lane( big difference in layouts) I think on the same layout they would be a mirror image of each other with the Black Ops being the bigger hooking ball over all.
Hope to make a short video with it this weekend during practice.
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Are you guys talking about the "Break Out" or the Break Down?
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I'm sorry I meant to say Breakdown. The Blue one with the high rg and low diff.
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Black Ops vs. the Break Down. Same covers and lower diff on the core in the Break Down. The biggest difference you will see from the two is the Black Ops is a big backending ball. Where as the Break Down has a very smooth and controlled backend. The Break Down is very drill friendly and will allow you to play next to or on the dry for way longer.
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So the Black Ops is not a benchmark? That would be a little disappointing if so.
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Just finished making this short vid from my last game of practice today. Very, very clean. Look forward to changing surface just not ready to yet lol
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Man you guys are really making me want to punch up one of these to compliment my Eagle.
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How does this compare to the Taboo Jet Black? I've been looking at this ball ever since I learned more about 900 Global and I can't miss out on a gem like this.