Post by: LaneHammer20 on September 16, 2009, 02:14:40 PM
Although I know this is meant for heavy oil, I am still trying to put my efforts in the 50,000. I know it is not meant for medium conditions. I put a conservative 5 x 4.5 drill on it with the pin a good ways up as seen in pics.
Bowling on the house shots I come across which is nothin less than true mediums the ball in OOB burned up from what I could tell, looked like it is going to hook but be real mellow in the back leaving washouts. So took it home went to 2000 abralon then appied nice coat of Snake Oil, tried it again at same places, same result, iffy carry, can't really swing it much. So after fighting it for a couple weeks, nowe am at 3000 Valentino pad, then HEAVY coat of Beans sauce, and it is mirro like now. I thought to myself, this should be the ticket. Threw it tonight on the shot that would most likely allow the beast to strut its stuff (40ft nice dose of oil, prolly med-heavy) clean backends), since my S-75 and Requiem in OOB finshes could be thrown and had a heck of a time keeping them right side of headpin, with great carry when in pocket.
It is still doing the same thing, even with the heavy polish and high surface, just roills and rolls, and nothing on the back, washouts if not careful, I had to play like 18- 10 for good reaction. I have decent hand and enough speed that I should see something out of it. All I hear from other people is how much backend it has and such, I know not all of them are on heavy heavy oil
Right now I don't know what to do, I am thinking it might need a balance hole since I haven't weighed it out yet, or maybe a redrill with something like 6 x 5. I have yet to come acroos this with a ball yet. Is the thing really that strong, either that or my style is a horribly not matching up to it.
Any ideas?
Pic is of OOB state
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Post by: themagician on September 16, 2009, 10:23:34 PM
Just my view.
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Post by: vindo27 on September 16, 2009, 10:52:03 PM
Post by: Juggernaut on September 16, 2009, 11:24:38 PM
I had the same problem with it. No matter what surface it had. So, I plugged it fully two other times and tried different drill patterns on it, all with multiple surfaces, and still NOTHING. My friends could throw it and make it work, but for me it just kind of rolled with little OR NO backend movement, and hit like garbage. No, wait, garbage would've hit better for me.
I know the Lev-RG is/was a good ball, BUT NOT FOR ME. For me, it was an absolutely terrible matchup problem that seemed to have no solution. Perhaps you have had/are having the same experience with your bounty hunter.
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Post by: LaneHammer20 on September 16, 2009, 11:38:37 PM
I know it is meant for heavy oil, and in the winter months it will get oiler, especially in the 2 leagues at the same house I am in, it always gets pretty slick in the winter months. Those were when my Break S-75 was a money ball with its 4 1/2 x 4 pin under drilling. Hopin when that time comes if nothing works till then it will be as good there.
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Post by: JessN16 on September 16, 2009, 11:42:11 PM
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I personally am a strong believer in not using a ball outside of its intended conditions especially in league. If a ball is meant for heavy save it for that situation. The ball seems to be too strong for the condition, i'd just use something weaker and save the ball for what its intended for.
Just my view.
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^^What he said.^^
I'm using a Break S75 as my go-to league ball right now, but the only way I was able to make it work on our league conditions was to put a very odd drill pattern on it and then add polish. And most nights I still have to take my hand out of the ball in order to get it to work.
If you're going to take an oil monster and make it work on THS, be prepared to either play deep, so you can get it into whatever oil is there, or put a funky drill on it. The pic of your ball reveals a pretty strong drilling. If I was trying to throw my S75 with that drill pattern on it, I shudder to think what might happen. The ball might stop halfway down the lane, hook, then come back and smash me in the face.
Pic of the drill pattern on my S75 (that's a pinky finger hole, not a weight hole -- and pay close attention to where the MB is): http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh311/ConStar8788/Bowling%20balls/dscn0769.jpg
Jess
Post by: LaneHammer20 on September 16, 2009, 11:46:03 PM
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Post by: scotts33 on September 17, 2009, 12:04:28 AM
That's my take but most won't agree as bowling is now an INDIVIDUAL sport rather than a team.
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Post by: averagebowler on September 17, 2009, 12:12:05 AM
i have the original cell had it drilled for heavy oil i just used once in league nite it rolled early alright but at the same time it rolls out. yeah i'm able to shoot in the 620s. i used it a few times during my pba league it worked cause there's some oil. other than that ball i have the rogue drilled with smooth arch then cell pearl for length some backend and pluto for dry label drill polished.
Post by: clt2244 on September 17, 2009, 01:57:42 AM
I agree with the thought to use a ball for what its designed for as well, maybe it just doesn't like any type of polish lol.
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Post by: J_Mac on September 17, 2009, 05:49:19 AM
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Post by: charlest on September 17, 2009, 07:25:01 AM
Another thought is that some balls just don't take well to polishes.
If there's any chance you can get a piece of Trizact white (cerium oxide) pad, you can take it up a notch in grit level.
You might want to re-sand it back to 4000 Abralon and try a light coat of UFO rather than Snake Oil.
And, yes, that is still a relatively strong drilling for your release specs. Is your PAP still as specified in your profile?
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Post by: LaneHammer20 on September 17, 2009, 08:03:50 AM
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Lane, I know a gentleman, good bowler, who already has had some good scores, and a sanctioned 300 with this ball. His is OOB but lot of games, no resurface. He is a spinner ball type, good speed, low track, not much hook.. Maybe moral of this story is, his ball is not burning up.
But, at 3000 with "mirror" finish I would maybe consider other things. Check the ball. Even the best companies make a X ball now and then.
From what I can find out, this ball is made to roll, unless you're Godzilla, with warp speed and a lot of rotation. Why not use it like it wants to do. Line up right with it, let 'er roll. Best money shot there is anyhow.
Yes will ddefinitly be getting it checked.
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Why is it an exception? The 50,000..what is a piece of that worth? You're tag line says what is sandbagging but IMO that's exactly what you are doing. Use the right equipment to score the best you can otherwise you are giving less than a 100% effort.
That's my take but most won't agree as bowling is now an INDIVIDUAL sport rather than a team
I have yet to use this ball in a actual league gaem, I will try it in practice or if bowling a practice game before the league starts, which is on fresh oil. If I don't see a desirable reaction I go to what I know I newed to use. EX. saw it didn't work last night, so pulled out my Black Pearl reactive.
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I'm sorry guys i don't understand if a ball is intended for heavy oil why drill it weak and expect to use it less that what is intended to be. i mean been reading stuff in here sometimes i don't understand.
For one it is not a weak drill in reality, this is my favorite drill for asym's. I have a bit of hand, 4x4 is not an option for me. I knew this post would start an uproar on me using it on anything less than a flood. Iwill say it again, I know all about using a ball for its intended purposes, I already have a requiem and a S-75, I keep those sanded for oil that occurs, and polished up the BH to make it more useful.
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Lanehammer,
Another thought is that some balls just don't take well to polishes.
If there's any chance you can get a piece of Trizact white (cerium oxide) pad, you can take it up a notch in grit level.
You might want to re-sand it back to 4000 Abralon and try a light coat of UFO rather than Snake Oil.
And, yes, that is still a relatively strong drilling for your release specs. Is your PAP still as specified in your profile?
My specs are still the same as far as I know, had my PAP rechecked near the end of last year. Could try taking it to 4000, don't have any UFO yet. Could also be the polish nand it not taking well to it, that is never ruled out, have had some balls in the past hate polish.
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Post by: Dave_in_Rio_Rancho on September 17, 2009, 10:06:29 AM
When you polish the surface after changing it, depending on how much pressure you use, you are either testing two variables at once or if you use a lot of pressure you are just throwing the same polished ball as before. In addition, many polishes will work into the "pores" on the ball defeating the oil absorption built into the ball. You want smooth, but you still want backend
Using 500, 1000, 2000, and 4000 Abralon under a light polish will yield different reactions by the ball. Polishing the surface all off each time - SOS.
Chase the oil inside, if the oil isn't there, put it away.
Edited on 9/20/2009 10:20 AM
Post by: Hoselrockets on September 17, 2009, 04:09:33 PM
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Post by: tdub36tjt on September 17, 2009, 04:12:27 PM
Post by: Hoselrockets on September 17, 2009, 08:27:16 PM
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Post by: Gunny on September 17, 2009, 08:28:23 PM
Post by: kidlost2000 on September 17, 2009, 09:18:44 PM
The cg looks to be about an inch and a half right of your grip line and if it has any kind of top weight at all it should need a weight hole.
Which depending on the location can make a big difference in how the ball rolls.
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Post by: LaneHammer20 on September 17, 2009, 10:39:01 PM
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I would like to ask if you use a driver on a 150 yard par 3? By your question about the BH I would say yes you do. Not trying to be a smrtass but the ball is not matching up to your league shot. With any of the Break balls I have all my league balls are at least 5.5 pin from axis, I even have a 6.5.
We can go to the golf course and find out .
It is just trying something for the 3rd time, It obviously wasn't meant to be.
On a better note. Went to league tonight in the house which at as of late has been a medium condition. But there is many weeks in the year they tend to put down a very slick shot, which is perfect time to test out aggressive equipment. First ball tonight in practice wqith my Black pearl Reacitve throwing 20 to 9 right into the 3-6 pin. Right then I knew there was alot of opil because that is a very strong pearl reactive. Had my Break solid with me as well it is 1000-polished, stronger drill than BPR and it also skated to far, leaving washout. Wetn back to the shop and sanded the ball before league with 1200 sandpaper. Better reaction, but still a little speed sensitive and had to play directly up the boards the first game pointing a little to the pocket. It stayed oily all 3 games. The Break solid is no slouch either!
If this shot is the same next week, I bowl there thwice a week, I will have ample amount of oil to test this ball out. I got home tonight and took some Valentino resurrection to it. So it has a nice sheen surface and it ready for the test if conditions permit. If it is the same conditon as tonight and it still has a crappy reaction I am going to have to have some things checked. This condition tonight was def long heavy oil.
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Post by: Hoselrockets on September 17, 2009, 10:44:53 PM
What is the surface your bowling on?
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Post by: beachcomberjones on September 18, 2009, 12:54:32 AM
I have a 4 x 8 1/2 layout on mine, pin and PSA both left of the thumb and fingers. on medium league conditions, it sill reads the mids too early. The cover is just that strong!!!
Post by: LaneHammer20 on September 18, 2009, 08:05:33 AM
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Sweet I'm always up for a little golf.
What is the surface your bowling on?
Ya I am always down for some golf as well.
Mondays- Don't know what brand, but is synthetic. AMF I think
Tuesdays & Thursdays are mid 90's Brunswick synthetics., They play slick especially with a good amount of oil like last night, and our league always follows the womens the night before. They oil our lanes over what was left from the night before, so as you would think, there can be quite a bit of oil at times.. Wish I would have had the BH.
Wednesday Is a newer AMF synthetic surface, it is the most consistent shot all year round. The bakcends are normally super clean.
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Post by: newguy on September 18, 2009, 11:28:03 AM
Post by: LaneHammer20 on September 18, 2009, 02:51:49 PM
It is at 800 sheen for now on.
i am definitly going to update my findings next week.
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Edited on 9/18/2009 2:52 PM
Post by: 42swaff on September 22, 2009, 06:54:38 PM
jeff
Post by: charlest on September 22, 2009, 08:30:23 PM
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... You could have plucked nose hairs out with as shiny as it was. ...
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There is such a thing as too much information!!!!!
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Post by: LaneHammer20 on September 22, 2009, 10:27:51 PM
Pulled out my BH, thinking this is a great olpportunity to see what it can do. Threw it on my normal line 20 to 12, rolled like crap and came in light, for a washout split, came off my hand good to. Moved over to the right a little more direct, came up light again for a washout split. threw another on the same line right up 12 came came in light again. Was really disappointed and put it up and pulled out Heist and played the line I stated above. Had a great line that game.
I am completely confused with this ball, I was on a solid amount of oil tonight, and it would not perform. It just rolls like crap, I wish I had a video of how it rolls. It just sorta rolls and rolls and rolls.
I am putting a balance hole in it after I get its weights checked and if that doesn't work, I might have to let it go.
Whats weird is the other night after a surface change to Resurrection high sheen, I went bowling with my girlfriend on a a normal medium maybe slightly more, squeaky clean backend house shot that was bowled on by a mens league before we got there, so it wasn't fresh, 3 hours old. That night it was super strong the way it should be, had a difficult time keeping it from going brooklyn and my carry was really good.
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Post by: vindo27 on September 23, 2009, 12:47:24 AM
Post by: Hoselrockets on September 23, 2009, 10:47:20 PM
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Post by: scotts33 on September 24, 2009, 12:30:33 AM
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Post by: Hoselrockets on September 24, 2009, 02:34:35 PM
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Tilt?
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Post by: charlest on October 05, 2009, 10:18:07 PM
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I wanna update since I bowled on some signiticant oil tonigh. Black pearl reactive was going strait on my normal line, Heist with a 1000 sandpaper finish would not make pocket unless I played right up 12 board with consistent hand and a little slower speed.
Pulled out my BH, thinking this is a great olpportunity to see what it can do. Threw it on my normal line 20 to 12, rolled like crap and came in light, for a washout split, came off my hand good to. Moved over to the right a little more direct, came up light again for a washout split. threw another on the same line right up 12 came came in light again. Was really disappointed and put it up and pulled out Heist and played the line I stated above. Had a great line that game.
I am completely confused with this ball, I was on a solid amount of oil tonight, and it would not perform. It just rolls like crap, I wish I had a video of how it rolls. It just sorta rolls and rolls and rolls.
I am putting a balance hole in it after I get its weights checked and if that doesn''t work, I might have to let it go.
Whats weird is the other night after a surface change to Resurrection high sheen, I went bowling with my girlfriend on a a normal medium maybe slightly more, squeaky clean backend house shot that was bowled on by a mens league before we got there, so it wasn''t fresh, 3 hours old. That night it was super strong the way it should be, had a difficult time keeping it from going brooklyn and my carry was really good.
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What is sandbagging???
Based on the above, I would call Eric Thomas at 900Global, explain it and ask him to look at this thread. Then ask him if you can ship the ball to him to see if they can determine if there is something wrong with the ball or is there some thing you possibly did wrong with the drilling I doubt it). Phil said in this thread to save it for oil, for what it was designed for. You did and it still acted ... not quite right. I think you''ve done as much as you can and they have always been cooperative.
It is entirely possible that the CG or the MB was not marked right or something else is wrong. I don''t know what.
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Post by: LaneHammer20 on October 06, 2009, 07:28:30 AM
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Based on the above, I would call Eric Thomas at 900Global, explain it and ask him to look at this thread. Then ask him if you can ship the ball to him to see if they can determine if there is something wrong with the ball or is there some thing you possibly did wrong with the drilling I doubt it). Phil said in this thread to save it for oil, for what it was designed for. You did and it still acted ... not quite right. I think you've done as much as you can and they have always been cooperative.
It is entirely possible that the CG or the MB was not marked right or soemhting else is wrong. I don't know what.
I have yet to alter the core, have been busy and haven't got in to make some weight adjustments. I had it weighted and it had 5/8 finger and 15/16 saide weight. I taalked to tekneek and he told me to take it to 0 finger and add a balance hole down my PAP to bring down the side weight to around 3/8 positive. I am going to try this tomorrow and see what happens. If it is still turdy I have no other choice than to contact Eric and see if something is wrong with the ball.
I feel there is no reason why some factories can have some balls leave there with messed up cover's or something, there is just being to many coming out of the assembly line for it not to happen. I know about how equipment is suppose to react and function for myself on a typical basis. This is as the post reads, has me scratching my head.
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Post by: dennis_michael on October 23, 2009, 07:53:12 AM
Straight up the 8 board on this shot, it hits really hard. But, don't try to crank or cross too many boards. It just doesn't come back.
Post by: tekneek on October 23, 2009, 08:10:45 AM
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Post by: LaneHammer20 on October 23, 2009, 12:32:28 PM
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