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Post by: frankrizzo on February 12, 2008, 07:02:21 AM
Once again I commend Global for there choice and the balls to stand by it. With them being a newer company they could easily churn there cheek to a large online supplier just to sell some units? But they don't and to me that is what counts most. I'm sure some people will have other opinions but that's my two cents for now.
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Post by: ccrider on February 12, 2008, 09:44:48 AM
Sure, they have a policy, but the policy is not binding on people that buy the ball and decide they want to sell it.
My question is, why does Global not allow supply and demand to dictate the sale of their product. If the ball is truly that great, it will bring a fair price on ebay or anywhere it is sold. Additionally, Global controls the initial price point. There want be many people selling the ball for less than they bought it from global or its distributors from. The market want allow this.
If a proshop sales a global ball undrilled to a customer, the proshop will have made money on the ball sale. There really is no justification for global's policy other than trying to inflate the price of the ball.
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I think it's because it's their policy of "no new balls sold on line" if people cant respect that decision and they want to sell balls on line they should pick another company. It seems pretty black and white to me? I believe that what they are doing is great and other company's should stop whoring the market for small profits.
Once again I commend Global for there choice and the balls to stand by it. With them being a newer company they could easily churn there cheek to a large online supplier just to sell some units? But they don't and to me that is what counts most. I'm sure some people will have other opinions but that's my two cents for now.
Keep up the good work Global!
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Post by: jls on February 12, 2008, 10:45:03 AM
I find it rather odd that anyone today, would buy not one, but two highend balls, and not have them drilled. I think the fact that these balls were removed, to me, means that the pro shop may have been using a third party to list the balls on ebay. To make a fast buck.
And when faced with possibly having future shipments withheld, removed them from ebay.
nice work 300Global.
BTW, we have been noticed, that more customer's are calling and asking if we have their balls in stock.
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Post by: newguy on February 12, 2008, 10:45:20 AM
Post by: T Brockette on February 12, 2008, 10:50:16 AM
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Who cares if his kids go hungry. Im just gald the balls are not being sold online anymore. Im sure when his family can't make the mortgage payment he can be happy knowing that he still has two balls that he can't afford to drill.
If this is how things are handled, I want them back to the old way.
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Post by: jls on February 12, 2008, 10:51:11 AM
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Least we forget the issue was brought to the lime light by the intenet police on this site.I believe the topic was hinting that we changed our policy regarding internet sales. We do not spend much if any time on ebay looking to catch the culprits.
Newguy, And why should you have too. Just about every major brand of bowling balls and golf clubs can be found on Ebay. The mere fact that one of your balls
was listed, does not mean your company had anything to do with it.
And correct me if i am wrong, but wasn't your policy, pertaining to online dealers not selling your product? Not the general public listing things on ebay.
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Post by: MC on February 12, 2008, 10:51:58 AM
unfortunately I think Global is in a no win situation. If you let the sales go then he caved and let them be sold on the internet. If you stop the sale of the NIB balls then you are the bad guy not letting the guy feed his kids
Good Luck with the balls. BTW it is great looking.
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Post by: ccrider on February 12, 2008, 10:56:44 AM
I do know that I spend more on balls than most, and because of this policy, I will not be purchasing a Global ball.
I also find interesting that, unless I am mistaken, one of the proshops and "internet police" that sales Global, makes and sells Beans Sauce on the internet.
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Least we forget the issue was brought to the lime light by the internet police on this site. Seems somewhat hypocritical to me. IF proshop sales is the way to go, why not sell the sauce through proshops only????
I believe the topic was hinting that we changed our policy regarding internet sales. We do not spend much if any time on ebay looking to catch the culprits.
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Post by: jls on February 12, 2008, 10:57:41 AM
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unfortunately I think Global is in a no win situation. If you let the sales go then he caved and let them be sold on the internet. If you stop the sale of the NIB balls then you are the bad guy not letting the guy feed his kids
Good Luck with the balls. BTW it is great looking.
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Mc, I really think that we are confusing what I believe is 900Global's policy.
I believe it is no Online dealers selling their product. Most items listed on Ebay, may be from just everyday people, not online dealers. Now of course, as in the case a few weeks ago, a real pro shop listed some balls on ebay. And they contacted him, and he did remove them.
But if we all went on to ebay right now, I am sure we could find just about every major brand listed.
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Post by: jls on February 12, 2008, 11:05:04 AM
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I do know that I spend more on balls than most, and because of this policy, I will not be purchasing a Global ball.
Ccrider, I think you are making a mistake by not trying one of their balls.
I am starting to see a lot of quality bowlers using and making "money" with them. When you factor in the drilling charge, on most highend balls bought online, 900Global's balls are actually lower in overall cost to the consumer.
A customer on Sat. said, "I don't care what the ball cost, as long as i win money with it"
Now as for their no online policy, well it would not bother me if they did sell to online dealers. Everybody else does. And we sell their balls.
I think consumer's feel, that if 900global's balls are not offered online, that pro shops may overprice them. That is not the case. We sell their Break for less then the Fury's, Momentum's, Complete NV, Rising, etc. In fact I would say that the Break is less then just about every highend model we stock.
And keep in mind, with all of the other highend balls, we have to compete with online dealers. And yet, the Break is actually lower in cost.
I feel that 900Global gives pro shops a fair price, and there is no reason for any pro shop to jack up the retail price on their balls.
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Post by: MC on February 12, 2008, 11:24:19 AM
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unfortunately I think Global is in a no win situation. If you let the sales go then he caved and let them be sold on the internet. If you stop the sale of the NIB balls then you are the bad guy not letting the guy feed his kids
Good Luck with the balls. BTW it is great looking.
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Mc, I really think that we are confusing what I believe is 900Global's policy.
I believe it is no Online dealers selling their product. Most items listed on Ebay, may be from just everyday people, not online dealers. Now of course, as in the case a few weeks ago, a real pro shop listed some balls on ebay. And they contacted him, and he did remove them.
But if we all went on to ebay right now, I am sure we could find just about every major brand listed.
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I completely agree. My understanding was that this instance was an individual that had bought several then life happened and he is going to be deployed and decided to sell the balls. Global's unique policy (regardless of right or wrong) has put them in the position of Catch 22. I have never heard them say that we could not sell used ones on the internet and as Phil said they have not "gone" after anyone. I hope to try one at some time, but will look for a used one
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Tag Team Coaching success story Post by: ccrider on February 12, 2008, 01:51:13 PM
I like track and understand that one of the original track guys was involved with global. Based on that alone, the Break Pearl was going to be my next ball. After seeing how this internet sales policy, I decided to give Storm's Attitude Shift a try since I had such good luck with the Paradign and already had the kinetic and temper from track.
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I do know that I spend more on balls than most, and because of this policy, I will not be purchasing a Global ball.
Ccrider, I think you are making a mistake by not trying one of their balls.
I am starting to see a lot of quality bowlers using and making "money" with them. When you factor in the drilling charge, on most highend balls bought online, 900Global's balls are actually lower in overall cost to the consumer.
A customer on Sat. said, "I don't care what the ball cost, as long as i win money with it"
Now as for their no online policy, well it would not bother me if they did sell to online dealers. Everybody else does. And we sell their balls.
I think consumer's feel, that if 900global's balls are not offered online, that pro shops may overprice them. That is not the case. We sell their Break for less then the Fury's, Momentum's, Complete NV, Rising, etc. In fact I would say that the Break is less then just about every highend model we stock.
And keep in mind, with all of the other highend balls, we have to compete with online dealers. And yet, the Break is actually lower in cost.
I feel that 900Global gives pro shops a fair price, and there is no reason for any pro shop to jack up the retail price on their balls.
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Post by: DanH78 on February 12, 2008, 01:57:10 PM
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I actually wanted to try a break pearl but after this screw it. If I don't like the ball I'm not going to be policed by a bunch of internet nazis when I tried to sell it. I think the decision to only sell to proshops is stupid to begin with, that is if they are worried more about being a successful business. It's 2008 and the internet has damn near taken over shopping of every kind if they don't want to hop on board to make a few brick and mortar guys happy that's their problem. I would rather buy a lane #1 ball online for 180 bucks than go to a shop and pay 200+ for something that I might not even like. Keep in mind these are my opinions so trying to crucify me over won't do you much good as my opinions aren't up for debate.
The policy only applies to NIB. So if you buy it, drill it and then sell it used I don't think they will care. They just don't want you buying 10 of them and selling them online without drilling
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Post by: RealBowler on February 12, 2008, 02:07:10 PM
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I actually wanted to try a break pearl but after this screw it. If I don't like the ball I'm not going to be policed by a bunch of internet nazis when I tried to sell it. I think the decision to only sell to proshops is stupid to begin with, that is if they are worried more about being a successful business. It's 2008 and the internet has damn near taken over shopping of every kind if they don't want to hop on board to make a few brick and mortar guys happy that's their problem. I would rather buy a lane #1 ball online for 180 bucks than go to a shop and pay 200+ for something that I might not even like. Keep in mind these are my opinions so trying to crucify me over won't do you much good as my opinions aren't up for debate.
The policy only applies to NIB. So if you buy it, drill it and then sell it used I don't think they will care. They just don't want you buying 10 of them and selling them online without drilling
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Again, how does this differ from the BR member that is selling them? Is that member the exclusive on-line distributor for 900global? Everytime somebody mentions about not being able to find the ball in their area, this guy gets mentioned.
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Post by: jls on February 12, 2008, 03:14:17 PM
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I like track and understand that one of the original track guys was involved with global. Based on that alone, the Break Pearl was going to be my next ball. After seeing how this internet sales policy, I decided to give Storm's Attitude Shift a try since I had such good luck with the Paradign and already had the kinetic and temper from track.QuoteQuote
Ccrider, Yes Phil is now with Global.
Don't let that internet thing stop you from trying the Break Pearl. You would love that ball!!!
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Post by: oprahsdouche on February 12, 2008, 03:20:30 PM
Post by: RealBowler on February 12, 2008, 06:06:05 PM
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^^^^Are you talking about Teekneek/Steve? He will sell it to you on BR but he drills them, so i dont think Global cares. Buddies sent out an email a few months ago offering both balls but they had to be drilled for $189 i think it was.
Don't know who it is - there were a couple of guys on here selling them when they first came out. I think they were $140-150 shipped. I don't know if drilling was included, but at that price I highly doubt it.
Still, this guy has had a Break and Creature listed on ebay for a long time -
http://cgi.ebay.com/NIB15-3oz-BREAK-BOWLING-BALL-BY-GLOBAL-900-BOLLING-BOWL_W0QQitemZ180161107352QQihZ008QQcategoryZ36105QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQ_trksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/NIB15-1oz-900-GLOBAL-CREATURE-BOWLING-BALL-BOLLING-BOWL_W0QQitemZ180161285114QQihZ008QQcategoryZ36105QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQ_trksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQcmdZViewItem
Is that okay because he is charging so much for the balls? Really, what is the policy? One guy says that there are no on-line sales, then it is only available at a physical store. Or, can you sell it on-line but only if you drill it?
Next time I go visit the relatives I'll stop by the old shop and ask him about the balls. He'll tell me exactly what they cost, whether there is a minimum purchase, and basically anything else I want to know. Heck, maybe he'll have some in stock and I'll get a chance to pick one up. I don't know what the big deal is and why everything needs to be so secretive. The balls are supposed to be good balls, but its to bad not everybody has the chance to try them out.
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Post by: jls on February 13, 2008, 10:12:58 AM
Next time I go visit the relatives I'll stop by the old shop and ask him about the balls. He'll tell me exactly what they cost, whether there is a minimum purchase, and basically anything else I want to know. Heck, maybe he'll have some in stock and I'll get a chance to pick one up. I don't know what the big deal is and why everything needs to be so secretive. The balls are supposed to be good balls, but its to bad not everybody has the chance to try them out.
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Haywood, If you go to 900global.com, you will see a p-s listing. Type in your state or zip code, and it will show you what pro shops in your area carry the balls.
Since last Saturday, we have sold 3- 900global balls. 2 Creatures, and a Break pearl. Two of the customer's told us that they found us by going to the 900global web site and checking out the pro shop listings.
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Post by: RealBowler on February 13, 2008, 11:14:14 AM
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Next time I go visit the relatives I'll stop by the old shop and ask him about the balls. He'll tell me exactly what they cost, whether there is a minimum purchase, and basically anything else I want to know. Heck, maybe he'll have some in stock and I'll get a chance to pick one up. I don't know what the big deal is and why everything needs to be so secretive. The balls are supposed to be good balls, but its to bad not everybody has the chance to try them out.
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Haywood, If you go to 900global.com, you will see a p-s listing. Type in your state or zip code, and it will show you what pro shops in your area carry the balls.
Since last Saturday, we have sold 3- 900global balls. 2 Creatures, and a Break pearl. Two of the customer's told us that they found us by going to the 900global web site and checking out the pro shop listings.
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I've been moving around quite a bit. Currently in Cumberland, Md. There isn't a whole lot of anything around here, and its not really a big deal for me as I haven't been bowling much lately. I just find it funny that people are making such a big deal over these little things. You have guys complaining that 1 person put a ball up on ebay when another seller has been doing it for months. You have guys claiming that the company is selling to garage drillers and won't use the balls because of that. Really, if somebody wants to spend money on the equipment to drill their own stuff, who cares if a company wants to sell them a ball direct? In my many years of bowling I've come across plenty of "pro shops" that really have no business being in business. If sitting in a closet in the bowling alley with a drill press makes you a "pro shop" then so be it!
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Post by: bowlingmaniac017 on February 13, 2008, 11:32:47 AM
Heres a few things to look at:
Im in the Air Force and if your being deployed, nothing you can help. Be glad he is going over there and your not.
On another note I find it amazing how hes deploying and people make jokes outside of the real situation and then give him a hard time for wanting to sale two balls he wont be able to use.
I understand policy, but this is a joke in IMO!
Hes off serving in a time of WAR to defend THE COUNTRY YOU LIVE IN... If he had a case or more, I would understand, but two balls I dont think so.
Also with two balls being on ebay, people might be asking what those are and it might have gained some intrest to those outside of BR.
"Rant Off"
Sorry but I had to say something about this because this is rediculous. He pays full price and wants money back. He wasnt saling a case but just a couple of balls.
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Post by: Juggernaut on February 13, 2008, 12:01:43 PM
All you shops who complain about not making a living and whining about how you are losing money because of online sales just NEED to go OUT OF BUSINESS!
The more you whine and try to control the market, the more I like Keith Spears and bowlingball.com
Why should I, as the consumer, have to finance your way of life by paying highly inflated prices, just so that you can go through 3 middlemen to get your equipment and have EVERYONE make a profit larger than I do for working an honest day at my physical labor job?
I know it won't happen, but I wish every crybaby one of you in the bunch would go broke and go away, including ANY manufacturer that tries to price fix by limiting the availability of their products. Do you REALLY think someone smarter than you won't come along, find a way to survive and drill my stuff for me? If so, you are bigger fools than I already thought.
I wish 900Global no ill will, nor do I have anything personal against anyone here, I just STRONGLY disagree with this business practice and have the opinion that, if you can't find a way to adapt to the business environment and survive, that you are SUPPOSED to die out and disappear. I think it should be set by the consumers demand and the marketplace supply, NOT some IDEALISTIC, FALSE, UN-TENABLE business model designed to protect the useless few who can't survive on their own.
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Post by: oprahsdouche on February 13, 2008, 12:50:20 PM
Post by: jls on February 13, 2008, 02:40:17 PM
do not believe this military story. I believe it was just some pro shop
or some PBA member, trying to make a fast buck. And when called on this by the people at Global, came up with this " I sold two balls to some guy in the military". I don't believe that ever happened. It makes no sense!!!!!
Now if a real customer buys any ball or product, he certainly has the right to sell it on ebay. All global's policy, as I understand it says, that no pro shops can sell it online, undrilled!!!!.
Example, Buddies will sell you this ball online for $189 drilled.
I think what really happened here, was some pro shop or PBA member bought these
balls and tried to list them on ebay. And only after someone questioned it, did Global respond.
Lets get off Global's back, they are doing a fine job with their line!!!
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Post by: frankrizzo on February 13, 2008, 02:46:26 PM
So you shouldn't feel betrayed by these guys at all because the main goal is to build good quality products for all of us can have fun. I do and will stand behind both of these guys. Keep up the good work and Thanks.
P.S. Most of you don't realize what a big deal this is because most of the people on here never owned or operated a pro shop before. I had to close my doors because the time wasn't worth the small profits from losing business from online sales. I could of changed but it wasn't my main source of income but I would of like to keep helping my customers. I'm out.
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Post by: ccrider on February 13, 2008, 04:44:30 PM
By the way, this is not about a personal attack on anyone. It is about what many think is a funky marketing strategy for what might be a good or worthwhile product.
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This is ridiculous. I respect Phil, he is a bowling genius, but if he thinks he can protect the individual shops that sell his stuff by doing this, he is also a bit off.
All you shops who complain about not making a living and whining about how you are losing money because of online sales just NEED to go OUT OF BUSINESS!
The more you whine and try to control the market, the more I like Keith Spears and bowlingball.com
Why should I, as the consumer, have to finance your way of life by paying highly inflated prices, just so that you can go through 3 middlemen to get your equipment and have EVERYONE make a profit larger than I do for working an honest day at my physical labor job?
I know it won't happen, but I wish every crybaby one of you in the bunch would go broke and go away, including ANY manufacturer that tries to price fix by limiting the availability of their products. Do you REALLY think someone smarter than you won't come along, find a way to survive and drill my stuff for me? If so, you are bigger fools than I already thought.
I wish 900Global no ill will, nor do I have anything personal against anyone here, I just STRONGLY disagree with this business practice and have the opinion that, if you can't find a way to adapt to the business environment and survive, that you are SUPPOSED to die out and disappear. I think it should be set by the consumers demand and the marketplace supply, NOT some IDEALISTIC, FALSE, UN-TENABLE business model designed to protect the useless few who can't survive on their own.
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Post by: Juggernaut on February 13, 2008, 04:57:12 PM
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Jug you are hilarious. While your protesting send your same reasoning to BMW perhaps they will sell me a car over the net and forego the ridiculous profit they make at the dealership.
BMW huh? Well, IMHO, BMW is nothing but an overpriced automobile, built buy a bunch of perople who see themselves as "purists" or "elitists". They are making, and sadly selling, products that are produced just as effectively with just as much quality here in the U.S.A., and they are doing so because a bunch of blind "yuppies" think that a BMW is some kind of a status symbol. I, myself, have a 2003 pontiac sunfire with 175,000 on it and it is still in great shape, runs fine, uses no oil. Tell me just how a BMW is any better than that?
If BMW can afford to do the things they do, more power to them, but, if someone else wants to buy up a lot of them from the manufacturer direct and sell me one at a greatly discounted price, WHO THE HECK IS BMW TO TELL HIM WHAT HE CAN CHARGE ME FOR IT, OR WHAT HE CAN SELL IT FOR PERIOD? I mean, if he paid them what they asked him, what makes it any of their business what he does with it?
I never said I didn't understand the theory and principle behind this method, I said that, to me, it is ridiculous and that I disagree with it STRONGLY. And, as long as it is in place, I WILL NOT BE BUYING ANYTHING NEW FROM ANYONE PRACTICING THIS BUSINESS METHOD that I am aware of.
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Post by: Sjf on February 13, 2008, 06:40:57 PM
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But, but now don't wait till pro shops have placed there orders for Christmas and then dump a ton of discontinued balls on the market leaving them in the lurch, that kinda stuff really hammers the pro shop.
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Oh you mean like Brunswick did, when their big dist. WERE CRYING that they had too many Fury's in stock and they were not selling ONLINE fast enough? So right at Christmas time, the big Brunswick dumbed Fury's, just to stop the CRYING, from their big dist. Ya that kinda sucked. But then again, thats Brunswick>>> you know, proudly made in Mexico.
Post by: RealBowler on February 14, 2008, 11:10:24 AM
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i think i have this figured out. global gets to sell their balls for a premium by eliminating the middle man. this benefits them. then they try to keep the value up for pro shops by stopping internet sales. i embrace the internet, its free money when a guy brings a ball in from the net, pure profit, and i dont have to worry about any warranty or anything. there are a few other companies doing the same thing, only time will tell if any of them succeed longterm. i also have to question why a guy would pull the ball off of ebay, i mean really, what is global going to do, not sell to him anymore, call him a bad name. there are plenty of other places to get balls.
If you were a new company, would you do it differently?
I saw a thing on Nike. They basically broke down a $80 pair of shoes like this:
Nike pays factory $20 for the shoes.
Nikes sells the shoes for $40 to the retailers.
Retailers sell the shoes for $80.
Nike only makes $20 on those pair of shoes.....the distributors/resellers make $40!
Now, if a bowling ball costs them $40 to produce, they sell them to the distributor for $80 (in pallets of say 400), and the distributor sells them (onesy, twosey) to the pro shops for $120, or in larger quantities to the on-line resellers for $100. They are only going to make $40 per ball. Turn around and cut out the distributor and sell directly to the pro shop for $100-120 per ball and they are making $60-80 profit per ball. At the same time, the pro shop operators can rest assured that they won't be undercut by an on-line reseller (ala The Fury).
If you had just shelled out a ton of your own money to start a company, wouldn't you want to maximize your profits? Besides, they are supposedly selling very well overseas. I may not agree with the way they are doing it, but at least I can understand why they are doing it. Personally I think they are losing potential customers by having a limited distribution model.
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Post by: jls on February 14, 2008, 12:14:32 PM
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i think i have this figured out. global gets to sell their balls for a premium by eliminating the middle man. this benefits them. then they try to keep the value up for pro shops by stopping internet sales. i embrace the internet, its free money when a guy brings a ball in from the net, pure profit, and i dont have to worry about any warranty or anything. there are a few other companies doing the same thing, only time will tell if any of them succeed longterm. i also have to question why a guy would pull the ball off of ebay, i mean really, what is global going to do, not sell to him anymore, call him a bad name. there are plenty of other places to get balls.
If you were a new company, would you do it differently?
I saw a thing on Nike. They basically broke down a $80 pair of shoes like this:
Nike pays factory $20 for the shoes.
Nikes sells the shoes for $40 to the retailers.
Retailers sell the shoes for $80.
Nike only makes $20 on those pair of shoes.....the distributors/resellers make $40!
Now, if a bowling ball costs them $40 to produce, they sell them to the distributor for $80 (in pallets of say 400), and the distributor sells them (onesy, twosey) to the pro shops for $120, or in larger quantities to the on-line resellers for $100. They are only going to make $40 per ball. Turn around and cut out the distributor and sell directly to the pro shop for $100-120 per ball and they are making $60-80 profit per ball. At the same time, the pro shop operators can rest assured that they won't be undercut by an on-line reseller (ala The Fury).
If you had just shelled out a ton of your own money to start a company, wouldn't you want to maximize your profits? Besides, they are supposedly selling very well overseas. I may not agree with the way they are doing it, but at least I can understand why they are doing it. Personally I think they are losing potential customers by having a limited distribution model.
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Thats the way it used to be, before dist. Problem with that.
Instead of lets say a Ebonite dealing with 20 dist., they must now deal
with 5000 pro shops. It is easier and smarter to deal with 20 major dist, then 5000 small pro shops. It is easier for them to ship the merchandise, since most would be truck loads, as compared to ups. And most important, it is safer to get paid. Much harder trying to collect from 5000 small pro shops, as compared to 20 major dist.
Also, the big boy companies basically use their dist. as warehouses. Many times a new model is shipped early to a dist. with a later release date.
Not to mention all the inventory the dist. stock. If there were no dist. The big boys would have to stock all that merchandise. and that would be expensive, and require more warehouse space.
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Post by: RealBowler on February 15, 2008, 09:06:06 AM
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Thats the way it used to be, before dist. Problem with that.
Instead of lets say a Ebonite dealing with 20 dist., they must now deal
with 5000 pro shops. It is easier and smarter to deal with 20 major dist, then 5000 small pro shops. It is easier for them to ship the merchandise, since most would be truck loads, as compared to ups. And most important, it is safer to get paid. Much harder trying to collect from 5000 small pro shops, as compared to 20 major dist.
Also, the big boy companies basically use their dist. as warehouses. Many times a new model is shipped early to a dist. with a later release date.
Not to mention all the inventory the dist. stock. If there were no dist. The big boys would have to stock all that merchandise. and that would be expensive, and require more warehouse space.
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Still trying to see how their business model makes sense, other than the higher profits per ball sale. Everything you have just described equates to more work on their side.
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Post by: tjj300 on February 15, 2008, 09:39:07 PM
Post by: Juggernaut on February 15, 2008, 10:06:24 PM
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Juggernaut, I agree in principle with what your saying but the thought
driving around in your cheeky little Pontiac compared over any BMW.
hmm. NO WAY
What makes a BMW so desirable? A little leather and chrome?
The whole purpose of an automobile is to reliably get you from point A to point B as long and smoothly as possible. Leather, chrome, and all that other crap ain't worth the extra $20,000-$30,000 to me. By the time I spend $30,000 on cars, I will have driven close to 500,000 miles or more. Cheeky? Yea, all the way to the BANK!
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It's pretty simple. 900 Global will either stop this no internet nonsense, or remain a shoe company that also makes balls no one uses.
While that might be satisfying, Phil is a smart guy and usually knows what he is doing. While I might not agree with it, that doesn't mean the Phil can't find a way to make it work. I mean, with all the internet nazi's running around here screaming FOUL, it's like they've all got his back on this one.
If I were rich, I would buy as many of these things as I could and sell them online for cheap.
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By Mr. Eric Thomas, 900global/AMFsales manager:
Just wanted to update all those tuning in. The Break Pearls were purchased by a customer from a brick and mortar shop. Customer wanted to drill them at a later date, and is in the armed forces. He was given notice that he would be deployed in the near future and decided to sell online. I contacted the shop, shop contacted customer and it was removed. All is well in the wonderland that is Global.
I also think it is SAD that Mr. Eric Thomas always seems so PROUD of himself when he goes out on patrol, saving the earth from another insidious online seller. Thank God we have people like this out there to save us from ourselves, you know, like the politicians in this country do.
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Post by: 102101 on February 16, 2008, 07:55:06 AM
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It's pretty simple. 900 Global will either stop this no internet nonsense, or remain a shoe company that also makes balls no one uses.
I believe just the opposite will take place, once the pro shop owners realize that selling 900 Global equipment allows them to maximize their profits then more 900 Global equipment will be sold.
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Post by: jls on February 16, 2008, 07:59:48 AM
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It's pretty simple. 900 Global will either stop this no internet nonsense, or remain a shoe company that also makes balls no one uses.
I believe just the opposite will take place, once the pro shop owners realize that selling 900 Global equipment allows them to maximize their profits then more 900 Global equipment will be sold.
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Smart pro shops yes.
But I believe it will be the quality of their products that will sell them.
Good "money" bowlers are not worried about saving $10-$20 online. They care about making money!!!!! Average bowlers do care and should care about saving money. Yet they are the ones that look at what the GOOD MONEY BOWLERS are using. And then they go out and buy '"Said those balls"
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Post by: Hoselrockets on February 16, 2008, 11:49:29 AM
Keep up the good work!
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Post by: ccrider on February 16, 2008, 05:47:43 PM
Yo can't convince me that they are maximizing sales this way.
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There stuff is getting better great bench mark ball in the Break and the Creatures are a very good secret. I will take some more time but Global will be around for a while.
Keep up the good work!
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Post by: DanH78 on February 16, 2008, 06:22:07 PM
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I think its horrible that this company gave a guy serving his country a hard time about trying to recoup a few dollars off his purchase.
I don't think a company can thrive in a market driven by online sales.
Well, when you have the internet police pointing out and complaining, what are they to do?
Man, talk about a no win situation. They leave it alone, people cry, they make the guy take it down, people cry.
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Post by: the prince on February 16, 2008, 07:55:31 PM
But does anyone think that this company can go toe-to-toe with the Ebonites and Brunswicks of the world and beat them in a volume game? Of course not, so it's only sensible that they try a new plan, and new plans usually get met with strong resistance. Only time will tell if this strategy is effective.
Post by: tjj300 on February 16, 2008, 09:33:18 PM
Post by: Hoselrockets on February 17, 2008, 07:59:29 AM
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I drill my own stuff, so I guess I'll never drill up anything from 900Global. So far, I doesn't look like I'm missing anything or going to miss anything.
Why do you think your not missing anything? Everyone who ownes these rave.
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Post by: newguy on February 17, 2008, 09:59:28 AM
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well, so much for me ever buying a 900 Global ball.
i have no problem with their COMPANY POLICY of only selling equipment directly to pro shops, but when SOMEONE ELSE purchases the ball, they have every legal right to sell it by any means THEY SO CHOOSE.
900 Global has no right to force the owner of their equipment to NOT SELL IT ONLINE.
i'm gonna leave it at that, i'm starting to type like JOE FALCO
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I agree with you, please read my post in the other thread regading ebay!!!
Internet sites and consumers on ebay are not the same animal.
Unless of course they were aquired outside the normal channels or are comps or PBA purchased balls. Those are the issues we are concerned about.
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Post by: tjj300 on February 17, 2008, 11:03:01 PM
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I drill my own stuff, so I guess I'll never drill up anything from 900Global. So far, I doesn't look like I'm missing anything or going to miss anything.
Why do you think your not missing anything? Everyone who ownes these rave.
Every ball company has balls that everybody raves about. The hot ball right now seems to be Roto's Cell. But Ebonite, Storm and Brunswick all have hot product right now. Don't think I'll miss 900 Global.
Post by: jls on February 18, 2008, 03:40:05 PM
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It's pretty simple. 900 Global will either stop this no internet nonsense, or remain a shoe company that also makes balls no one uses.
I believe just the opposite will take place, once the pro shop owners realize that selling 900 Global equipment allows them to maximize their profits then more 900 Global equipment will be sold.
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Bingo, i agree with this post, however I feel this line of balls would sell
well in pro shops, even if they were online. The ball gets great feedback from real bowlers!!!!
I wish 900global would sell to dist. That way, I could get them faster.
As for selling online, If Global does not want them online, Maybe they could make that their policy, when selling to their dist. >. no online sales.
But either way, Their line of balls is really starting to move. Sold 2 more Break pearls today.
Now as for this new company going head to head with any of the big boys, well keep this in mind. Ebonite paid someone big bucks for Columbia. So who knows
just who might be investing in 900global.
Now as for that ebay thing, Do you really believe that story about someone in the military needed to sell the balls because he is being shipped out?
I think that is just made up by who ever got caught trying to sell these balls on ebay. If a real pro shop did sell these balls to a consumer, then there is really no way that 900global or any company can stop the consumer from selling them on ebay. and the fact that these balls were indeed removed from ebay, leads me to believe that it was either a pro shop or a PBA member that listed them. Not a soldier.
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Post by: RealBowler on February 20, 2008, 01:29:16 PM
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Oh that's how it went? Intriguing!
Gee, what happened to your other post? Did you delete it?
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Post by: ccrider on February 20, 2008, 03:02:36 PM
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yep. because on the other thread (which magically disappeared), I told exactly what happened and why. I'm not going to keep wasting my time posting things that will continue to "vanish". So instead i'll just sit back and laugh.
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Post by: allstarbowling-Joe on February 21, 2008, 12:27:24 AM
is stepping outside the box to try and help the brick and mortar
shops. Only recently have I tried carrying some of their eqiupment
in one of our shops and so far the reaction seems to be positive.
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Post by: oprahsdouche on February 21, 2008, 08:47:34 AM
Post by: jls on February 21, 2008, 09:35:08 AM
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JLS may be the smartest guy on here. Wow did i just say that? They should just do both, sell to the distributor, sell to the shop direct. Set a price make it the same from both, then everyones happy right?
Now to Bombsaway, Actually sir, 900global's price to the pro shops on their highend ball is much lower then just about any highend ball we now buy from our Dist. Therefore, it does indeed appear to me, that 900 global is not trying to make extra profit. And that is why pro shops can indeed sell their highend ball to the consumers at a lower price then most highend balls we buy from our dist.
However, I feel that there is a "real" need for dist. in our business. And for that reason, I would like to see 900global sold thru dist. But that is up to them!!!!
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Post by: oprahsdouche on February 21, 2008, 01:49:05 PM
Post by: jls on February 21, 2008, 02:08:46 PM
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oprah - yes i have, and they are good, but i can only get the same as any other ball/margin wise.
JLS- what makes a high end ball, a high end ball?
a new super duper coverstock, that rolls early and hooks on the back?
the newest weight block, {and i have to question that because it, (the break), looks just like an infinite one}, shape that strikes no matter where you roll it?
does the price you pay for a ball determine your sale price, or what the market will bring? i can only get top dollar from ebonite and storm. i cant just call a ball high end because i want to. i am not bashing, just trying to see where some people are coming from
Bombsaway, When I say a highend ball, it pertains to the cost of the ball.
Gravity's, Complete Nv, Momentum, Break, Rising. These are some example of what I referred to as a highend ball. Now a Hammer Doom, or a Gamebreaker are what I would call a mid price ball.
Now I agree with you when you say that Global is making a few dollars more selling their balls to pro shops as to dist. But our price on a global ball is maybe $10-15-20 lower then most highend balls. And yes we do adjust the selling price to reflect that.
But, this is what I like best, The feedback on their balls is excellent.
Not saying that they are the biggest sellers on the block. Just saying that when we do sell one, we get excellent feedback from the customer.
Now as for how they choose to sell their balls, well I have no control over that. Many consumers on this site seem to feel that it's to our advantage, the way they sell. Well I disagree. Example. On Monday I needed to special order a Break pearl in 16 lbs. On that same day I needed to order a Gravity with the MB left, in 16 lbs. The break has to be ordered from global, takes about 4-5 days. The Gravity was ordered from out dist. on Monday, and was here by Tuesday.
Now I appreciate the way Global is trying to help pro shops with their sales policy, but to be honest. I wish they did sell thru dist. Even if it means that certain dist. will sell them to online dealers. Now of course if dist. did not sell to online dealers, that would not make me upset. But they do and it's a fact of life. So we deal with it. Thank goodness we are sold out of both models!!!! Now I am sure, we as well as many pro shops, will be getting in some of those balls to drill.
Bottom line, Online is not going away, and we have to deal with it. Ebonite has certainly helped. And maybe if Global does something along those lines.
Their balls could be sold online also. But that is not for us to decide, it's up to them.
Either way, I will still stock and order their balls. "feedback"
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Post by: newguy on February 21, 2008, 02:19:36 PM
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joe, they are doing this because they make more profit per ball. instead of lowering the price to you, they keep the extra profit themselves, that the distributor would make. a nice way to spin it is to say that it helps the pro shops. answer me this, have your sales increased because of this? my guess would be, no. maybe i am just different, i love internet sales coming in, its free profit, no stocking headaches, i charge for any maintenance, just cash to the bottom line. the only items that i get killed on are the shoes and bags, so i try to make a ton of package deals.
honestly, i dont care what they do, its their business, i just tried to read between the lines for some of you guys.quote:
As a proshop owner I like the fact that someone in this business
is stepping outside the box to try and help the brick and mortar
shops. Only recently have I tried carrying some of their eqiupment
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It is actually cheaper to the shop, all balls include freight and without getting into a published price on this site situation we are about $13 a ball less expensive, landed than other premium balls.
Post by: JessN16 on February 22, 2008, 07:49:15 PM
If Global would develop a direct-sales option to sell balls one at a time to individuals, that would fix the situation. Jack the prices up on those balls so it would cover the difference between the sale price and a pro shop's markup (so as to make it disadvantageous to buy direct and then seek out a driller), and use a tracking system that would allow only one sale per address or per credit card number. That's the same system one of the sports forums I visit uses to keep troublemakers from purchasing multiple accounts and spam their boards. It works.
The problem with the current strategy, for me, is twofold: One, I'm a hobbyist, so it deprives me of the opportunity to drill the thing myself. Two, it forces me to use a pro shop that is local to me that -- well, let's just say I and others have had some not-very-pleasant experiences. That's unfair to us as bowlers, regardless of what it means to me as an amateur driller. And there is no competition for their services where I live, so it's either that way or the highway.
Unfortunately, that puts me on the highway.
Jess
Post by: Sjf on February 22, 2008, 08:00:02 PM
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I wouldn't have a problem with it except that this will cost me the chance to ever try the ball. I started drilling my own stuff this month and no one else will ever drill for me again. I have a small shop, but it's not brick-and-mortar (try aluminum and some 2x4s) and I doubt I'll ever drill for more than just me, my wife and a few friends.
If Global would develop a direct-sales option to sell balls one at a time to individuals, that would fix the situation. Jack the prices up on those balls so it would cover the difference between the sale price and a pro shop's markup (so as to make it disadvantageous to buy direct and then seek out a driller), and use a tracking system that would allow only one sale per address or per credit card number. That's the same system one of the sports forums I visit uses to keep troublemakers from purchasing multiple accounts and spam their boards. It works.
The problem with the current strategy, for me, is twofold: One, I'm a hobbyist, so it deprives me of the opportunity to drill the thing myself. Two, it forces me to use a pro shop that is local to me that -- well, let's just say I and others have had some not-very-pleasant experiences. That's unfair to us as bowlers, regardless of what it means to me as an amateur driller. And there is no competition for their services where I live, so it's either that way or the highway.
Unfortunately, that puts me on the highway.
Jess
Sir, you could order a ball thru your local pro shop. Then ask them for the undrilled price. As far as I know, there is no rules against a pro shop selling someone this ball undrilled. As long as they don't sell it online.
Lets just say that the pro shops price on this ball is $149 undrilled, and $199 drilled. You should be able to purchase it at the undrilled price. And then drill it yourself.
Post by: JessN16 on February 22, 2008, 09:16:30 PM
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I wouldn't have a problem with it except that this will cost me the chance to ever try the ball. I started drilling my own stuff this month and no one else will ever drill for me again. I have a small shop, but it's not brick-and-mortar (try aluminum and some 2x4s) and I doubt I'll ever drill for more than just me, my wife and a few friends.
If Global would develop a direct-sales option to sell balls one at a time to individuals, that would fix the situation. Jack the prices up on those balls so it would cover the difference between the sale price and a pro shop's markup (so as to make it disadvantageous to buy direct and then seek out a driller), and use a tracking system that would allow only one sale per address or per credit card number. That's the same system one of the sports forums I visit uses to keep troublemakers from purchasing multiple accounts and spam their boards. It works.
The problem with the current strategy, for me, is twofold: One, I'm a hobbyist, so it deprives me of the opportunity to drill the thing myself. Two, it forces me to use a pro shop that is local to me that -- well, let's just say I and others have had some not-very-pleasant experiences. That's unfair to us as bowlers, regardless of what it means to me as an amateur driller. And there is no competition for their services where I live, so it's either that way or the highway.
Unfortunately, that puts me on the highway.
Jess
Sir, you could order a ball thru your local pro shop. Then ask them for the undrilled price. As far as I know, there is no rules against a pro shop selling someone this ball undrilled. As long as they don't sell it online.
Lets just say that the pro shops price on this ball is $149 undrilled, and $199 drilled. You should be able to purchase it at the undrilled price. And then drill it yourself.
Maybe, but I feel it's disrespectful to walk into another man's pro shop, order something, and then basically say "I want the ball, but I don't think you're good enough to drill it," and walk out with it. I would consider it rude. And, I'm not going to lie to get it ("It's a gift for my cousin," etc.).
Jess
Post by: qstick777 on February 23, 2008, 08:54:09 AM
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Bomb-Well if you get the same margin I understand. We charge the same and just pocket the extra dough. Thats the business thing to do. High end is in the eye of the beholder. Some say its dictated by price, others performance.
You can do that because the ball isn't available online, which is good for the shop!
Some shops prefer to make the same margin on a ball, and some shops like to price similar balls at the same price point. I've seen a shop charge the same for a Lane1 ball as other premium balls (around $219) even though the Lane1 balls are $40-60 more online. I've also seen shops have so many different price points because they charge the same margin on each ball. You end up with 4 or 5 balls that range between $189 - $219 and having to explain to customers why they are priced different.
How do you handle the Cell? That is supposed to be a premium ball but is priced as a mid-premium.
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Post by: qstick777 on February 23, 2008, 09:11:45 AM
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I wouldn't have a problem with it except that this will cost me the chance to ever try the ball. I started drilling my own stuff this month and no one else will ever drill for me again. I have a small shop, but it's not brick-and-mortar (try aluminum and some 2x4s) and I doubt I'll ever drill for more than just me, my wife and a few friends.
If Global would develop a direct-sales option to sell balls one at a time to individuals, that would fix the situation. Jack the prices up on those balls so it would cover the difference between the sale price and a pro shop's markup (so as to make it disadvantageous to buy direct and then seek out a driller), and use a tracking system that would allow only one sale per address or per credit card number. That's the same system one of the sports forums I visit uses to keep troublemakers from purchasing multiple accounts and spam their boards. It works.
The problem with the current strategy, for me, is twofold: One, I'm a hobbyist, so it deprives me of the opportunity to drill the thing myself. Two, it forces me to use a pro shop that is local to me that -- well, let's just say I and others have had some not-very-pleasant experiences. That's unfair to us as bowlers, regardless of what it means to me as an amateur driller. And there is no competition for their services where I live, so it's either that way or the highway.
Unfortunately, that puts me on the highway.
Jess
That really doesn't sound like a bad idea. Add another $20-25 to the price of the ball, as that seems to be the amount that most shops try to get as additional markup on balls.
The only drawback is needing the additional manpower to handle the orders. Maybe it really doesn't add too much as it might not be any different than the PBA members being allowed to order. I don't know if I would agree with capping it at 1 ball. At least 2, or maybe as high as 4. Some people like to have the same ball and drill it differently.
I can understand the dissatisfaction with local shops. I'd disagree with it being disrespectful to ask for an undrilled price. My local shop basically has to order everything from his distributor, so there is no problem asking him for an undrilled price.
My pro shop offered to let me use their equipment. They were still going to charge me the same price, but he was willing to let me drill my own stuff. That would have been great, but his shop hours don't fit my schedule.
But, I know what you mean - some guys feel threatened when somebody spends a couple of grand on equipment to pursue a "hobby." My shop guy just looked at me and said "you know when you screw up and bring me stuff to fix I'm going to charge you!"
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Post by: ccrider on February 23, 2008, 11:15:14 AM
I was refitted and had a ball drilled last night by another shop. This guy new what he was doing and it was obvious. He charges 60 bucks to plug and redrill but it was worth it. He charges 200 bucks out the door for a game breaker with thumb slug and vise finger lifts. He does not care if you bring the ball in or buy it from him. He says he makes money either way, and has more work than he can get to.
It was worth 60 bucks to me to watch the guy work. I will have him drill balls for me from time to time just because I appreciate good service. It's cheaper for me to pay to have the ball drilled, then to take the time to drill it myself. But, it is a good hobby.
If it wasn't for 900 global's screwed up online policy, I would at least give their product a try. But, as things stand, not a chance.
omb-Well if you get the same margin I understand. We charge the same and just pocket the extra dough. Thats the business thing to do. High end is in the eye of the beholder. Some say its dictated by price, others performance.[/quote]
You can do that because the ball isn't available online, which is good for the shop!
Some shops prefer to make the same margin on a ball, and some shops like to price similar balls at the same price point. I've seen a shop charge the same for a Lane1 ball as other premium balls (around $219) even though the Lane1 balls are $40-60 more online. I've also seen shops have so many different price points because they charge the same margin on each ball. You end up with 4 or 5 balls that range between $189 - $219 and having to explain to customers why they are priced different.
How do you handle the Cell? That is supposed to be a premium ball but is priced as a mid-premium.
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Post by: novawagonmaster on February 23, 2008, 12:19:52 PM
I did not buy the equipment to go into business. It's a hobby, and I can experiment with different ideas without having to think about what it's going to cost to plug and redrill when it doesn't work.
I will not be buying new equipment from 900G either. It just does not make sense ($$$-wise). That said, I am curious enough about the products that I did buy a USED Creature and USED Break just to see what the balls had to offer. Even if I like them , I will not buy NEW balls from 900G because of the business model they have put in place.
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Jon (in Ohio)
Post by: Sjf on February 23, 2008, 07:31:48 PM
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I, too drill my own balls.
I did not buy the equipment to go into business. It's a hobby, and I can experiment with different ideas without having to think about what it's going to cost to plug and redrill when it doesn't work.
I will not be buying new equipment from 900G either. It just does not make sense ($$$-wise). That said, I am curious enough about the products that I did buy a USED Creature and USED Break just to see what the balls had to offer. Even if I like them , I will not buy NEW balls from 900G because of the business model they have put in place.
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Jon (in Ohio)
Exactly what is wrong with their "business model"?
I see a lot of "money bowlers" using Breaks!!!!!
They use the ball because they are scoring and "winning money!!!!!
None of them "seem to be worried or care" about their "business model"
They seem to care about "scoring and winning money!!!!!
I think all this negative talk about the way 900global does business is silly.
This morning we got a call from a "bowler" giving us feedback on his team and their new balls. Friday nite's scores. 775, 771, 751. None of them really seemed to care about how 900global does business, or any other company. They being "bowlers" care about scoring and winning money.
Even if this ball was sold online. After drilling, the final cost might be around $180. Most pro shops are probably selling the ball drilled in the $189-$200 range. Some of you make it sound like you are being overcharge millions on their line of balls. Makes me wonder, why??? why are "money bowlers"
not complaining.
Now if you think your getting screwed by 900global, you can always buy a Brunswick ball, like the Fury. It was selling online about one month or so ago for $99 to $109. Today it is $79. Gee I wonder why?????????????
Post by: novawagonmaster on February 23, 2008, 08:11:11 PM
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Jon (in Ohio)
Post by: Sjf on February 23, 2008, 08:22:49 PM
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"Money bowlers" can score with just about anything. They may have preferences, but you cannot tell me that only one ball will work for them.
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Jon (in Ohio)
So true. The point was that "money bowlers" will use balls that perform. They don't get all caught up in this online vs pro shop crap. And one thing I don't hear them saying is that for a $10-$20 savings, they will not use a certain ball. This morning when a "bowler" called and gave us feedback about
his bowling friday nite. He talked about how well the his ball worked, and the $640 he won. Do you really think he cares about nickel and dime stuff?
Two types of people get in pots. those who win and donators!!!!
All this bashing of 900Global over what??? A $10-$20 possible savings???
Give me a break.
Post by: SprayNpray on February 23, 2008, 08:50:58 PM
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Give me a break.
Actually, give me a Break and a Break Pearl. Thanks.
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~SprayNpray
-formerly known as SawFreak
-official house hack