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Title: Break Point
Post by: tizzle on March 01, 2009, 10:41:58 AM
Does anybody else have some real world experience with this ball. There has been absolutely no reviews on this thing, how is it?
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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: charlest on March 01, 2009, 07:53:49 PM
Has it technically been released to the public yet?
If so, what is/was the date?

There seem to be no place to put a review of it on ballreviews but in this forum. There is one review of it on Bowlingballreviews.com:
http://www.bowlingballreviews.com/ball.asp?ballid=3684
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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: jbuzz31 on March 02, 2009, 10:24:17 AM
im really interested to see how this ball works as well.
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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: tekneek on March 02, 2009, 09:27:01 PM
as advertised, more lemgth than the Break Series, with plenty of backend recovery. Pretty strong off the dry, yet not wild or over reacts like a pearl, very easy to read, carry was awesome, with plenty of control, that I would attribute to the 4000 abralon finish and the strong yet forgiving S-73 veneer. A very good match of cover and core. At 4000 it still covers alot of boards, just later downlane than the other Breaks.
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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: Scraps Z on March 03, 2009, 07:57:02 AM
Thanks Steve...would you say the backend on the BP is more or less than the original Break.  I like the idea of the extra length as long as it doe not sacrifice the # of boards covered on the backend.   My Break is very good...I just want a bit more length but with the same strong backend movement.
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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: newguy on March 03, 2009, 07:59:42 AM
That was the target, more length than the Black Break and more back end

Edited on 3/3/2009 9:21 AM
Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: qstick777 on March 03, 2009, 08:11:47 AM
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That was the target, more length than teh Black Break and more back end


Stronger cover yet more length?  That's interesting.

Opps, forgot that you altered the core numbers.

Might have to give this a try - they seem to have shortened our oil.  Even with polish both Breaks (soild and pearl) are starting to move too early for me.


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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: tekneek on March 03, 2009, 08:23:47 AM
Like Phil stated that was the target for the Point, and they scored a "bull's eye"
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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: Scraps Z on March 03, 2009, 12:24:24 PM
Very nice, thanks for the info.  I'll be purchasing from my pro shop!
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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: tekneek on March 03, 2009, 02:03:56 PM
still alive and kick'in
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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: curtcrank on March 03, 2009, 06:13:31 PM
How does the length compare to the Break Pearl?
Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: golfnutFL on March 03, 2009, 09:07:23 PM
Break Pearl is longer. I never found the Break Pearl to be as hard on the "flip" side as advertised. The Break Point is not really a hard flip either, more of a hard arc.

quote:
How does the length compare to the Break Pearl?

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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: KMAN300 on March 03, 2009, 09:53:31 PM
Well I tried mine last night on a medium cond. It was very clean up front and had all kinds of pop at the break point. I started at 13 to 3 and ended at 17 to 5 with pretty good carry 235,245,257 with 2 opens both 4-9 splits. compared to the break pearl I'd say slightly  earlier with the same pop at the break point. Keep in mind I did polish it slightly before using it.

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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: jimensminger on March 05, 2009, 06:46:49 AM
I got a PM from my buddy 'tekneek' wanting to know if I'd drilled my Break Point, and what I thought. I told him that the guys (no pun) probably wouldn't care to hear my review because it won't say it's the "biggest hooking-hardest hittin truck I ever drilled", then I thought what the heck I'll post exactly what I think and how I drilled the ball,...so here's the answer I gave Steve...

Steve: did ya drill your BP yet..?

Jim: "yeah, but people wouldn't like my review,..I wanted a ball that I could stay right with and not have to use a Link. I worked with Paul Fleming on the layout we can up with a 1 1/2 pin to pap, and 6 1/2Mb to pap. This has the pin between the ring and pin, and the Mb below the thumb, no hole. So I get what I want, a strong ball that doesn't overhook all over the lane,..does that make sense..this ball rolls early and heavy archs/down and in, lets me stay to the right a long time,..no longer trying to chase the oil with a skid-flippy ball,..aka PBA like Duke, Williams, and the guys they can stay straight,..this works great for what I see away from league,...so the review seekers might not understand,..jim"

So, I took a relatively strong ball, and drilled it to lay down early, there's NO skid-flip in this ball, the track flare is maybe 1 1/2" if that. Not exactly everyones 'cup of tea' so to speak. I recommend that if you decide to try this you do it with a used ball first..don't spend a bunch of money on a new strong ball, and drill it like this without first trying it,..you may be disappointed. But for me this ball will serve a purpose in my arsenal. That's why I didn't want to do a review, because this drill pattern is not normally what you see or read about...I love the reaction I get from this ball, it does exactly as I want it to do,..on our THS last night where I usually can play my Break Pearl or Bounty in around 17 to 10,..I was up 6-7 all night, with games of 256-235-267.. This probably won't be the first ball out of my bag,..but if I have to go to a secondary game plan I got just the ball. ps: ball was out box surface with a mini-shine just to smooth out the fronts,... jime
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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: thirtyclean on March 05, 2009, 07:14:57 AM
Punched a BP up on 3/3. Was covering the same amount of boards as my buddies Virtual Gravity, just a different motion. His was the old reverse 'C' and mine was more of the hockey stick affect. This ball does cover boards, because of the solid coverstock. I am totally pleased, and I was looking for something to cover are recentlty wetter house shot. Thanjs to Steve Brinkley for the expert drilling advice !
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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: slashrr69 on March 05, 2009, 07:31:12 AM
jim
  your profile says power stroker, could you tell me your speed and about how is your revs rate?? with this layout in the break point do you still have to change your hand position at all to stay right of where you usually are?? just curious was thinking of trying something like this just for that reason.. slashrr69
Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: tekneek on March 05, 2009, 07:35:24 AM
what Jimbo did not say is he drilled his break Point for PBA and SASBA enviroment, not necesarily for THS that us meer mortals see everynight. His is drilled for a specific reaction to be used on a specific situation he sees and needs a ball to dominate. From his feed back he got what he wanted and needed.

I threw mine last night, as I stated earlier in this post, being ameer mortal my sxcoring does hold a candle to a multi- senior title holder. I was clean for 29 of 30 frames one open on a bad by me washout. 686 with some issues not being able to trip a 4 pin in the 3rd game, made an adjustment only to ping a 10, so back to the right a smig, to leave 2 more 4's. Then again that's why the name on the back of my shirt says "House Hack".

Jimbo thanks for the review I'm sure some of the 900G family non hacks reading your post will in fact find your review useful. Mine just hooks and covers a buch of boards the last 15-18 feet with plenty of continuation !!!
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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: jimensminger on March 05, 2009, 08:41:53 AM
Tekneek,..you're too humble.  
slashrr69,...I'm 6'1",about 245, and 60 years old. That being said I would put my ball speed and rev rate in the same category as Pete Weber or Mike Aulby.
Granted those guys are way outta my league, but I like to think that they're release and rotation looks like mine,..the release is a more flat at the bottom, and a longer reach, trying to impart forward roll rather than early tilt..
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Edited on 3/5/2009 9:44 AM
Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: insidedrive on March 05, 2009, 08:55:40 AM
Jim,

That's really wild that you have that kind of layout on the Break Point because it's the exact layout I've wnated to put on some of my equipment for a while to allow a smooth consistent roll that doesn't force me to deviate.  Glad to hear it rolls exactly the way it should.  By my estimate for a dual angle layout that shouild be something like a 60 X 1 1/2 X 30 or something similar.

The question I have about the Break Point is do you think it's stronger than the Bounty?  I know on paper the Bounty is supposed to handle longer/heavier oil.  But from what I've seen out of the core in the Break series the Break Point even with a 4000 grit cover could probably out perform the Bounty.

Does anyone have any comparison between the two?
Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: golfnutFL on March 05, 2009, 09:55:21 AM
IMHO, the Bounty handles a LOT more oil than the Break Point (OOB on both). The only ball coming out of San Antonio that handles more oil than the Bounty is the Mega. I like the Break Point, it definitely has a place in my arsenal, but the S-75 is stronger than the BP also.

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Jim,

That's really wild that you have that kind of layout on the Break Point because it's the exact layout I've wnated to put on some of my equipment for a while to allow a smooth consistent roll that doesn't force me to deviate.  Glad to hear it rolls exactly the way it should.  By my estimate for a dual angle layout that shouild be something like a 60 X 1 1/2 X 30 or something similar.

The question I have about the Break Point is do you think it's stronger than the Bounty?  I know on paper the Bounty is supposed to handle longer/heavier oil.  But from what I've seen out of the core in the Break series the Break Point even with a 4000 grit cover could probably out perform the Bounty.

Does anyone have any comparison between the two?

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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: tekneek on March 05, 2009, 10:03:24 AM
I would agree, but having a different shape and Break Point, pun intended, it appears to handle more or as much as the Bounty, but never as much soup as the S-75, the 75 just has more teeth, lol
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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: tekneek on March 05, 2009, 10:03:30 AM
I would agree, but having a different shape and Break Point, pun intended, it appears to handle more or as much as the Bounty, but never as much soup as the S-75, the 75 just has more teeth, lol
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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: jimensminger on March 05, 2009, 10:08:02 AM
"The question I have about the Break Point is do you think it's stronger than the Bounty?"
answer: No, Bounty has a stronger coverstock for one thing..s77, comparing both balls out of the box, the Bounty by two car lengths...easy.
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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: insidedrive on March 05, 2009, 10:16:06 AM
jim:

I know the cover is stronger etc.  However there's a lot of equipment out there that can handle massive amounts of long oil and heavy oil that are not necessarily rated higher than a typical "heavy oil" ball.

The Virtual Gravity is a great example, it's 4000 OOB but can out perform almost anything, even my LevRG at 1000.  Also looking at the RG diff and the core in the ball itself that's why I asked the question, the core in the Break series appears to be much stronger, especially from what I've seen on the lanes.  

So based on what some people are saying would you consider the break s75 stronger than the Bounty?

I guess I'm just skeptic about the core in the Bounty, I like the idea of a high density high revving core like in the Break series with the ability to change direction and move energy throughout the whole ball.  A core like the Bounty of a T shape to me will just want to turn early but with not a lot of continuation.  Much like my old Seek & Destroy, that ball rolled out a lot and on heavier patterns if it didn't have an early break point it was DOA.  

I'll just have to wait until I see them both in person I guess.
Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: tekneek on March 05, 2009, 10:16:45 AM
ok now lets stay on the same page here Jimbo, car lengths are we referring to the balls diameter, or a cars length? You have confused this mear mortal. lol
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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: Scraps Z on March 05, 2009, 10:34:41 AM
I have both the Bounty and Break Solid...there's no comparison.  The Bounty's cover makes for a much stronger midlane read with continuation.  The Break goes longer with a tad more angularity.

A 1/2 car length (real) might be appropriate.  
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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: Hoselrockets on March 05, 2009, 11:14:23 AM
what i have seen is the Bounty is much stronger in the mid lane but the BP is much stronger down the lane.  Two completely different ball reactions imo.  Would love to post a video but i seem to be technology challenged.  LOL.
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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: tekneek on March 05, 2009, 11:18:22 AM
Hosel, you ain't the only one tech challenged LOL
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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: jimensminger on March 05, 2009, 11:35:30 AM
I had a big post going here about 'stronger' balls, and then we had a fire drill at work with a power-flux and lost it all, so in brief..the Bounty and the Breaks all fit under Strong,..but the reason that 900 makes 4 different Breaks is for a set of balls (watch-it) that will each have a slightly different strong look. The Bounty is strong in its own right, stronger than the Breaks,...maybe...maybe not.  You say tomato..I say tomatoe'....we're talking car lengths in a 500 lap race,..all depends on the driver and the track,..besides when surveyed most bowlers choose color over performance first,..so if I had my choice, I'd take a case of Bounties over a set of Breaks,..drill'em up 4 different ways, adjust the surfaces, and away I'd go,..but I really dig the color of the Bounty...jim
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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: golfnutFL on March 05, 2009, 12:21:55 PM
From what you've described I think that you'd love the S-75. That ball doesn't always get the kudos it deserves, it is by far my favorite of the three being discussed here.

The S-75 is certainly not weaker than a Bounty...just different. S-75, for me, is MUCH stronger than Break Point.

quote:
jim:

I know the cover is stronger etc.  However there's a lot of equipment out there that can handle massive amounts of long oil and heavy oil that are not necessarily rated higher than a typical "heavy oil" ball.

The Virtual Gravity is a great example, it's 4000 OOB but can out perform almost anything, even my LevRG at 1000.  Also looking at the RG diff and the core in the ball itself that's why I asked the question, the core in the Break series appears to be much stronger, especially from what I've seen on the lanes.  

So based on what some people are saying would you consider the break s75 stronger than the Bounty?

I guess I'm just skeptic about the core in the Bounty, I like the idea of a high density high revving core like in the Break series with the ability to change direction and move energy throughout the whole ball.  A core like the Bounty of a T shape to me will just want to turn early but with not a lot of continuation.  Much like my old Seek & Destroy, that ball rolled out a lot and on heavier patterns if it didn't have an early break point it was DOA.  

I'll just have to wait until I see them both in person I guess.

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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: rymacatthedisco on March 05, 2009, 01:13:28 PM
the s75 hooks way more than the bounty but only on the back...it changes dirfections much quicker than the bounty off the spot. the bounty is great playing up the boards on longer patterns and the s75 allows you to get in and get around the pattern a lot more...the break point from what ive seen seems to be a great ball but i cant judge because i havent thrown it yet...
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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: golfnutFL on March 05, 2009, 03:42:41 PM
For me, the Break Point is a slightly tamer S-75....similar, slightly longer, still quick off the dry.

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the s75 hooks way more than the bounty but only on the back...it changes dirfections much quicker than the bounty off the spot. the bounty is great playing up the boards on longer patterns and the s75 allows you to get in and get around the pattern a lot more...the break point from what ive seen seems to be a great ball but i cant judge because i havent thrown it yet...
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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: Hoselrockets on March 06, 2009, 08:23:56 AM
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Hosel, you ain't the only one tech challenged LOL
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LOL...i tried once but i ended up breaking my video camera.  So Im not allowed to do that again.
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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: crankncrash on March 08, 2009, 06:24:20 PM
Ok my turn for a silly question.  I came into this year saying " I am buying one ball and one only and that is going to be a dry lane ball"... Well turned out that I had a nice gap in my equipment that I couldn't quite fill with what I had, I "had" to buy a hyroad to get a nice even rolling piece... and it is exactly that a piece (of _______).  Mission failed, but at least I got the dry lane thing taken care of with the avalanche slide, just a great ball btw.  I have a cell that I drilled to be my "heavier" oil ball, but I wanted it to roll up a bit and it doesn't offer that silly stand up out of the oil that these new monsters seem to.  I was in love with the virtual gravity until I saw how hard it is to maintain that cover.  So what I want/need b/c I have picked up 3-4mph of ball speed this year out of the blue, is a ball that has virtual gravity characteristics, but with a sustainable cover.  Right now, I'm thinking either the s75, the Break Point or the Magic, I really would love to get into global as at one point I was all dynothane all the time. I have seen the infiltration of them around here, it is impressive.  The break pearl is nice, but I don't think it would fit the bill currently, that should be a replacement to my total NV when that gives up.

Ok I was rambling there, sorry, anyway I want to know which ball is going to give me the closest thing to the Virtual look on the lane and take into consideration that it could be a little stronger than the virtual and that will be ok. I have been over powering the ball a lot this year, so having it want to hook up won't hurt my feelings.  A side note, I dropped to 14lbs to save my ailing wrist, then hit the gym, now the 14lb ball feels light and I am over throwing it and killing my scores, but going back to 15 isn't in the cards due to the wrist, so I am thinking about just going with stronger equipment to compensate.  I was a huge pearl fan, but I seem to blow them right through the break point (no pun intended) now.  So what would you choose?
Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: jimensminger on March 08, 2009, 08:04:50 PM
crank....s75.
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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: crankncrash on March 08, 2009, 08:11:53 PM
That was my thought, I'm going to do my taxes now so I can buy one and never notice the difference :-)
Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: slashrr69 on March 08, 2009, 08:57:10 PM
crank
  I, someone that has thrown all the breaks I would not suggest the S75 if you are looking for a similar reaction as the virtual gravity.. don't get me wrong I love all my break equipment especially my S75, but it is not a VG roller by comparson.. I would suggest the new break point, it is very readable,mid lane action is great,and it can be very angular or very continuous depending on the drilling.. just my $0.02, gives you something to think about..
Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: Hoselrockets on March 08, 2009, 09:46:03 PM
I would actually put break point and VG very close together. but that's just my humble opinion.
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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: insidedrive on March 09, 2009, 09:19:28 AM
I just picked up my Break Point this weekend and I'd say that's definitely a good replacement for the Virtual Gravity.

It appears what I thought is correct, this ball can handle some serious oil and is a beast!

I compared it with my NTense LevRG and it's just as strong which really surprised me

Mine is drilled
45 x 3.5 x 35

It's very clean through the heads and has some surprising flip on the backend.  It will pick up early if the midlane gets fried, which is great for longer patterns due to the early read.  

I'd say it'd be a good fit against a VG.
Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: ukester on March 09, 2009, 11:34:42 AM
best ball in there line,gets through the heads clean and hooks sharp at the back part of the lane.Should compete with the virtual gravity,it also should keep its dullness longer.


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Title: Re: Break Point
Post by: crankncrash on March 09, 2009, 12:02:21 PM
slash,

I'm curious why you say this, is it just not as sharp, or what is the main thought here?