Author Topic: Break s75 (Read 4604 times)

tdub36tjt · « **on:** March 10, 2009, 02:25:49 PM »

I have noticed a big loss in the reaction of my Break s75 and I am trying to do an oil extraction the problem is no oil is coming out...It is like the ball wants the oil to stay in there. I have never seen this happen in a ball before usually I can get the oil right out this ball its just not happening....Anyone seen this before???

tizzle · « **Reply #1 on:** March 11, 2009, 07:09:26 AM »

What method are you using?
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tekneek · « **Reply #2 on:** March 11, 2009, 10:05:06 AM »

a buddy of mine thought the same thing about his Bounty, but after a day or so he reported back it was driver error, and not the ball loosing its reaction. I have not heard of any 900G or AMF that have had this problem, if so it has not been reported on this board nor passed down from headquarters.

Now I am not saying it can not happen, nor am I saying it is driver eror on your part, I'm just conveying my experiences.
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Jeffrevs · « **Reply #3 on:** March 11, 2009, 11:40:30 AM »

Is the S75 a "soaker"?

Is it being used on too 'less' of oil?
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tdub36tjt · « **Reply #4 on:** March 11, 2009, 03:24:05 PM »

The Break Pearl I had, definitly lost its reaction when it got oil soaked. The thing is that the oil came out of that ball super easy. Then it was right back to life. I would begin to notice it would "lay off" in the back part of the lane then know it was time to get the oil out.

As for the s75, when I got it, it hooked a ton and if I even came in high flush I could move 3 or 4 boards just too make sure I wouldn't go through the nose and it would still come back to the pocket flush. I used to always say that ball allowed me to move left just for fun. Now when I move even 2 boards left after going through the nose the ball labors to even find the pocket. I do have around 100-150 games on this ball. And Eric Thomas has suggested oil extraction be used when you see a loss of reaction. Just can't seem to get any out.

I have tried hot water bath, no oil rising to the top. I tried putting it in the oven at 140 and nothing came out. And I tried a blow drier and nothing came out....Not sure what else to try was thinking of trying the kitty litter.

When I first got my Hot Sauce, the s75 was like 4 or 5 boards stronger now they are very close to the same ball. As for their not being enough oil, we have the same oil every week its in our contract and it is night and day difference from when I first got it.

I was wondering if the fact that it is a soaker is the reason I can't get any oil to come out?

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a buddy of mine thought the same thing about his Bounty, but after a day or so he reported back it was driver error, and not the ball loosing its reaction. I have not heard of any 900G or AMF that have had this problem, if so it has not been reported on this board nor passed down from headquarters.

Now I am not saying it can not happen, nor am I saying it is driver eror on your part, I'm just conveying my experiences.
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charlest · « **Reply #5 on:** March 11, 2009, 03:43:28 PM »

Even dull (D/T) Soakers used to last at least 200 games before there was even a hint of its losing reaction.

The comparison between the Hot Sauce (pearl) and the S75 is kind of difficult btu I understand yourpoint of view. I'm still wondering if the differences between those balls was not previously hidden by the house blended pattern and now, while the pearl (Hot Sauce) is still hooking, there really isn't enough oil for the S75. I do not know, I just wonder.

Unless you've changed the surface, the S75 is for medium-heavy oil, a little below or a little above. The Hot Sauce is generally considered to be a medium oil ball, notwithstanding its large backend strength. They can overlap but are probably good as goto/complementary balls.

Since no oil is coming out, I would have to assume you're not using the S75 on enough oil for it to retain energy. Either try some other methods (dishwasher, no drying cycle, Revivor oven) or try refreshing the cover on the S75: Sand it with 600 or 800 grit (US) and put a light (by hand only) polish over it.
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slashrr69 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 11, 2009, 04:59:45 PM »

hey tdub
just a few question sand comments.. you say you have tried a bunch of stuff to get the oil out, but have you actually put it in a rejuv box at a pro shop?? my dynothane "things" would not let any oil come out of the ball unless I put in in the rejuv box(just a thought).. also you say the ball has about 150 games or so on it, do you think it might be time to resurface it do to tracking(could be reving up to soon do to tracking)?? if you have already resurfaced it unfortunately you may come close to the factory OOB but it will never be perfect/the same/but close it should be.. sorry yoda is talking now..lol.. ask your house where you bowl if they have tweeked the shot at all..?? even if it is the same pattern, if they are using different cleaner or oil that will change some things on the lanes.. slashrr69

Edited on 3/11/2009 5:01 PM

tdub36tjt · « **Reply #7 on:** March 11, 2009, 06:04:47 PM »

I was thinking I might have to take it to a revivor, wasn't looking forward to shelling out 20 bucks for something I should be able to do free.

I have refreshed the surface a couple times. The first time I started to notice I lost a little punch in the back and I could tell it need a refresh so I did and that made it pretty close to OOB. Then I did the same a 2nd time. And now I have lost a large amount of reaction compared to it just not finishing. It has pushed me right where I have been with all my other equipment, instead of being a ball that allows me to play more inside.

SVstar34 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 11, 2009, 06:19:10 PM »

when you refresh the surface, it needs to soak some more oil again with the soaker coverstock
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tdub36tjt · « **Reply #9 on:** March 11, 2009, 06:40:25 PM »

I drilled them and checked the span and everything and they are the same...And the soaker cover did not need to soak oil to become stronger. The ball was just as strong OOB as it was after.

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I have a thought from another angle, there is a ton of great driller's that can copy a span from 1 ball to the next, however there are also those that fudge the span an extra 1000th of an inch and in 1 ball your lifting with equal pressure but the other ball your lifting more with 1 finger over another, just as an experiment, place your Thumb in the ball first then your fingers, throw the ball and see if the reaction you thought was lost suddenly returns. Another thought, the Soaker cover had a reputation for getting stronger the more games you put into it, so the amount of oil for the first 35 may not have changed, but the Soaking abilities of your S-75 have and now may require a thicker viscosity to hold energy for pocket? But honestly, the span thing may be what's going on, I have a friend that drilled a Blue Elite strong and this ball went straighter than his other balls, I had him do the same Tech I advised you to try and he discovered he was getting more lift on his Middle finger which was lowering his track, he has since slightly shortened that span and now loves that ball.
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slashrr69 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 11, 2009, 11:36:59 PM »

I think a time out is in order(lol), put it in the penalty box and then give it about 12-15 games(based on my dythane balls) to get it back before your final judgement.. I have not heard of any problems with any of 900 globals balls, but you might just want to give eric a ring/email and ask him if they have had any in the recent past.. good luck.. slashrr69

jimensminger · « **Reply #11 on:** March 12, 2009, 05:32:44 AM »

Since no oil is coming out, I would have to assume you're not using the S75 on enough oil for it to retain energy.....second that.
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Jeffrevs · « **Reply #12 on:** March 12, 2009, 07:16:26 AM »

So, ....the S75 IS a soaker?!
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charlest · « **Reply #13 on:** March 12, 2009, 07:28:25 AM »

quote:
So, ....the S75 IS a soaker?!
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Yes. The only 900global ball documented as ... such so far.
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Jeffrevs · « **Reply #14 on:** March 12, 2009, 07:34:16 AM »

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So, ....the S75 IS a soaker?!
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Yes. The only 900global ball documented as ... such so far.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."

I saw the 'info' on the review section here, and it doesn't say "soaker" but eludes to it,....thanks Jeff
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