Post by: Slopsurprise on March 18, 2008, 01:58:20 PM
Post by: scotts33 on March 18, 2008, 11:09:22 PM
Might be a hard line but put yourself in BTM's/Jim Kings position.
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Post by: Kid Jete on March 18, 2008, 11:23:20 PM
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Maybe...copyright infringement??? Folks wanna know but that's why mags sell subscriptions. If you go to BTM's website they sell subs and old mags if still in circulation.
Might be a hard line but put yourself in BTM's/Jim Kings position.
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Lighten up, my god.
Post by: scotts33 on March 18, 2008, 11:31:58 PM
Who conducts the tests? Who does all the work? Balls come free I am guessing but somebody did the ground work. If it's NOT worth anything why ask??? C'mon it's the internet age but isn't some info. worth purchasing? Maybe not from what I see...that's society today..give it to me if it's free.
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Post by: Kid Jete on March 18, 2008, 11:36:15 PM
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Think about it...put yourself in BTM's position. Are you selling subscriptions to a magazine?
Who conducts the tests? Who does all the work? Balls come free I am guessing but somebody did the ground work. If it's NOT worth anything why ask??? C'mon it's the internet age but isn't some info. worth purchasing? Maybe not from what I see...that's society today..give it to me if it's free.
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This is a ball reviews forum, not the internet police. You should be happy you can get info like this here. I highly doubt BTM would give a sh*t about someone passing along some info that they had in their magazine.
Post by: scotts33 on March 18, 2008, 11:39:43 PM
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This is a ball reviews forum, not the internet police. You should be happy you can get info like this here. I highly doubt BTM would give a sh*t about someone passing along some info that they had in their magazine.
Could be.....what do you do for a living kidjete?
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Post by: Kid Jete on March 18, 2008, 11:47:59 PM
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This is a ball reviews forum, not the internet police. You should be happy you can get info like this here. I highly doubt BTM would give a sh*t about someone passing along some info that they had in their magazine.
Could be.....what do you do for a living kidjete?
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What does that have to do with anything? I perform illegal abortions and assisted suicides.
Post by: revTrex on March 18, 2008, 11:50:34 PM
1) If anything, people posting info would do MORE for the mag, not LESS.
2) What Lillen did would most likely be acceptable under the doctrines of fair use, and, furthermore, he (for all practical purposes) attributed the information to BTM. He didn't copy a whole article and he didn't not say who wrote the info. Once BTM publishes the info, it has to be expected that people will share said info.
3) Like kidjete said, I'm pretty darn sure BTM doesn't give $#i+. [ON EDIT] Charlest claims they do, and again, if they do, ok, but I still think you could counter their claims with a fair use defense, though you are not adding anything new to the work.
4) Even raising the issue of supposed copyright violations would use up way too many resources to make such a practice viable.
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Edited on 3/19/2008 1:34 AM
Post by: Kid Jete on March 18, 2008, 11:52:36 PM
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Geez, guys, as somebody that works for a major bowling magazine, all I can say is:
1) If anything, people posting info would do MORE for the mag, not LESS.
2) What Lillen did would most likely be acceptable under the doctrines of fair use, and, furthermore, he (for all practical purposes) attributed the information to BTM. He didn't copy a whole article and he didn't not say who wrote the info. Once BTM publishes the info, it has to be expected that people will share said info.
3) Like kidjete said, I'm pretty darn sure BTM doesn't give $#i+.
4) Even raising the issue of supposed copyright violations would use up way too many resources to make such a practice viable.
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Thanks rev. I would agree that if anything people might realize the magazine has some useful info and buy a subscription.
Post by: Kid Jete on March 18, 2008, 11:54:11 PM
Post by: charlest on March 19, 2008, 01:20:28 AM
Yes, BMT does give a rat's a**. This is true copyright infringement, They have posted here that they do not wish their copyrighted information given out in a public forum.
If your work were copyrighted or trademarked, and you busted your body and your mind creating this information and sold it to make your livelihood, I GUARANTEE that you would care also when someone else tried to give it away for free.
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Post by: Kevspins2 on March 19, 2008, 02:01:46 AM
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Post by: Lillen on March 19, 2008, 03:38:41 AM
Didn't think of the copyrights...
Post by: scotts33 on March 19, 2008, 04:52:00 AM
charlest is correct Jim King of BTM in the past has said here on this forum that this is copyright infringement. Maybe their stance has changed. That is the reason I posted this to start.
In any case the Break Pearl got some of the highest marks of any pearl on the market when it was reviewed.
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Post by: TheIronMan on March 19, 2008, 10:05:56 AM
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Post by: revTrex on March 19, 2008, 10:11:40 AM
And thank you for clearing everything up.
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Post by: Gunny on March 19, 2008, 03:10:45 PM
Post by: revTrex on March 19, 2008, 03:21:01 PM
...exactly what i said earlier...IMO, because of fair use and other policies...
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Post by: Gunny on March 19, 2008, 03:26:30 PM
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...exactly what i said earlier...IMO, because of fair use and other policies...
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exactly, according to the fair use statute... It is not an infringement of copyright to make short quotations from a work for purposes of criticism, comment, teaching, scholarship, or research. However, every quotation must be clearly identified with the name of the author and the source of the quotation.
according to Ronald B. Standler
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Post by: jls on March 19, 2008, 03:30:23 PM
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^^^
...exactly what i said earlier...IMO, because of fair use and other policies...
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exactly, according to the fair use statute... It is not an infringement of copyright to make short quotations from a work for purposes of criticism, comment, teaching, scholarship, or research. However, every quotation must be clearly identified with the name of the author and the source of the quotation.
Wow, thankyou for clearing that up for us.
BTW, April 15th is right around the corner. That's when honest hard working
American's>>> must pay their Taxes!!!!!!
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Post by: revTrex on March 19, 2008, 03:40:52 PM
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^^^
...exactly what i said earlier...IMO, because of fair use and other policies...
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exactly, according to the fair use statute... It is not an infringement of copyright to make short quotations from a work for purposes of criticism, comment, teaching, scholarship, or research. However, every quotation must be clearly identified with the name of the author and the source of the quotation.
according to Ronald B. Standler
Edited on 3/19/2008 3:28 PM
Lol, using the same source I was using? I swear I was looking at Standler...
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Post by: Gunny on March 19, 2008, 03:41:23 PM
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Wow, thankyou for clearing that up for us.
BTW, April 15th is right around the corner. That's when honest hard working
American's>>> must pay their Taxes!!!!!!
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get your facts straight, april 15th is the cutoff date! you would need an extension if you file after that day. any honest hard working American would know that!
Post by: Gunny on March 19, 2008, 03:42:21 PM
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Lol, using the same source I was using? I swear I was looking at Standler...
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yea i was reading him...lol
Post by: jls on March 19, 2008, 03:47:45 PM
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Wow, thankyou for clearing that up for us.
BTW, April 15th is right around the corner. That's when honest hard working
American's>>> must pay their Taxes!!!!!!
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get your facts straight, april 15th is the cutoff date! you would need an extension if you file after that day. any honest hard working American would know that!
Once again, thankyou for clearing that up.
Will you be filing on, or after?
Gunny, there is no womens golf on today, and since I am taking a break from drilling and plugging. I thought I would have some fun with you.
I hope you know, I am just joking around with you.
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Post by: Gunny on March 19, 2008, 03:49:16 PM
back on topic though, sometimes posting info about a product will help sale that said product. not saying give away the farm, but post only what is needed.
Edited on 3/19/2008 3:51 PM
Post by: jls on March 19, 2008, 04:11:46 PM
here they are.
15#
RG. 2.489
Diff .055
mid diff. .024
As for feedback, Excellent, from people who have bought the ball!!!
As for looks, This ball is a "Natalie", a 10.
don't kid yourself, looks matter!!!
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Post by: monstercrank on March 20, 2008, 07:36:28 AM
Post by: Slopsurprise on March 20, 2008, 12:25:57 PM
Post by: NicholasE on March 20, 2008, 12:28:21 PM
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Hey did you guys hear about the new Ducati Desmosedici RR superbike!? It has a power output of 200 HP* at 13,800 rpm and a torque of 11.8 kgm* at 10,500 rpm. Not to mention that it has a sweet 4 to 2 to 1 exaust and its body work is made completely of carbonfiber. Too bad their only producing 400 bikes a year... OH SH!T what am I doing!?!?! Hopefully Motorcyclist magazine doesnt come pounding at my door! I mean, I paid for the information via subscription, but according to the ballreviews internet police, its strictly forbidden to speak of any information read in magizines... You guys are fvcking ridiculeless...
wooo wooo wooo....This is the internet police, come out with ur hands up!...
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