Equipment Boards => 900 Global => Topic started by: vkowalski1970 on March 27, 2011, 12:27:46 PM
Title: Building a new arsenal
Post by: vkowalski1970 on March 27, 2011, 12:27:46 PM
I am new to 900 Global equipment, Totally impressed with the bank pearl. Its excellent!
I am looking for advice on building an 4 ball arsenal all 900 Global.
I have just purchased a new Hammer Red Backlash for light oil/Spares which is very good and I will not replace. Obviously I have a Bank Pearl, so I need to hear what else to add to the mix.
Thanks!
My Current Arsenal:
715T................... 65x4.4x30 1000AB
505T................... 65x4.5x30 2000AB
Bank Pearl...........60x5x40 1500 polished
Dark Star.............70x3.5x40 1500 polished
Red Backlash.......75x3x35 2000 polished
Title: Re: Building a new arsenal
Post by: vkowalski1970 on March 27, 2011, 08:28:59 PM
Will actually be a 5 ball arsenal that includes the Bank Pearl and Backlash, sorry if my last post was confusing
My Current Arsenal:
715T................... 65x4.4x30 1000AB
505T................... 65x4.5x30 2000AB
Bank Pearl...........60x5x40 1500 polished
Dark Star.............70x3.5x40 1500 polished
Red Backlash.......75x3x35 2000 polished
Title: Re: Building a new arsenal
Post by: tdub36tjt on March 28, 2011, 01:26:35 AM
If your not against throwing AMF (also made by 900 Global) as well I would say.....
Bank or Eagle (or both if speed dominant)
Bank Pearl
Shred-It (I've heard nothing but great things about this hybrid.......)
Favorite
Backlash
Title: Re: Building a new arsenal
Post by: BBU on March 28, 2011, 03:30:02 AM
I wasnt impressed with the Bank balls, but this is what Im carrying:
Break Out (Pin Up)
Break Out (Pin Down)
Break Point
Lunatic
900 Global www.900Global.com
Title: Re: Building a new arsenal
Post by: 900DJ on March 28, 2011, 02:41:42 PM
bank pearl-heavy oil
shred it-med/heavy
double clutch pearl-med w/ clean backs (the best pearl I have ever thrown)
favorite-med w/ carry down (smooth, smooth, my benchmark)
In the bag:
900 global bounty hunter
900 global favorite
Roto grip mars
AMF radar (oldie but goodie)
AMF double clutch
AMF double clutch pearl
Title: Re: Building a new arsenal
Post by: vkowalski1970 on March 28, 2011, 03:12:07 PM
My Bank Pearl slides too much on the real heavy stuff to use, its a great transition ball and great on true medium to med heavy conditions
My Current Arsenal:
715T................... 65x4.4x30 1000AB
505T................... 65x4.5x30 2000AB
Bank Pearl...........60x5x40 1500 polished
Dark Star.............70x3.5x40 1500 polished
Red Backlash.......75x3x35 2000 polished
Title: Re: Building a new arsenal
Post by: Tex on March 28, 2011, 06:11:40 PM
The new Eagle is the same ball as the Break Out and for me is a must in the 900 arsenal. I didn't like my Profit at first but if is finally coming to life, but with the Bank Pearl in our arsenal can't see it as a must have. The Favorite is very smooth and a notch down from the Break Out with a similar roll and might be one to consider.
Roll with 900 Global.
Made in Texas!
Title: Re: Building a new arsenal
Post by: tdub36tjt on March 28, 2011, 06:39:30 PM
i definitely agree about the Bank Pearl not handling heavy oil (especially with the layout you have). Maybe at 500 double thumb or with someone who is rev dominant it might be......My thinking is the Eagle should handle most any heavier oil you would run into, unless you run into extreme heavy especially with surface. If you do then double thumbing a Bank would be my suggestion. (I wish thats what I would have done to my Bank). Then the Shred-It should give you something similar in strength to the Bank Pearl just different shape. And the Favorite should fit perfect between the Backlash and Bank Pearl/Shred-It...
Title: Re: Building a new arsenal
Post by: vkowalski1970 on March 28, 2011, 07:17:34 PM
Im thinking my first purchase will be an Eagle...maybe 50x4x50.....see what that does
Any suggestions on layout? look at the layouts I have below
15-16mph
350 +revs
My Current Arsenal:
715T................... 65x4.4x30 1000AB
505T................... 65x4.5x30 2000AB
Bank Pearl...........60x5x40 1500 polished
Dark Star.............70x3.5x40 1500 polished
Red Backlash.......75x3x35 2000 polished
Title: Re: Building a new arsenal
Post by: Hoselrockets on March 28, 2011, 08:05:37 PM
Put your favorite drilling on it you will not be disappointed.
THB
Title: Re: Building a new arsenal
Post by: tdub36tjt on March 28, 2011, 09:34:16 PM
Is the speed qubica?? tilt? rotation?
Title: Re: Building a new arsenal
Post by: BBU on March 28, 2011, 09:58:35 PM
Ill sell you a mint Break Out if you want something to try before you buy a NIB.
I always prefer the pin under with cg kicked right
900 Global www.900Global.com
Title: Re: Building a new arsenal
Post by: Tex on March 29, 2011, 05:16:57 AM
I would support using your favorite drill on your first Break Out/Eagle. I have my Break Out drilled pin down at 4 1/2" from PAP with the MB on the VAL. That happens to be my favorite drill and was perfect for me on this ball. I am going to drill two of the Eagles. One to replace my Break Out and one pin up with the pin over the bridge and MB again out near the VAL. These will be the first two out of the bag at nationals this June.
Another great ball that you can still pick up on Ebay is the Break Point Pearl. Talk about a monster skid flip with excellent carry. I had one crack and just picked up a new one from ebay. Same great ball and reaction as the first. These balls did have a tendency to crack due to the volatility of the shell which is one reason for the great reaction off the dry. Have a buddy that has drilled four of these and has another saved back if his current cracks or wears out.
Roll with 900 Global.
Made in Texas!
Title: Re: Building a new arsenal
Post by: vkowalski1970 on March 29, 2011, 07:22:32 AM
This stats are what my proshop figured, axis between 50-60, but I dont know tilt.
He told me i should stay with drilling sums around 100, he has been drilling my stuff for 2 years and I have been real happy with him. He also told me I need help getting the ball down lane, so he wouldnt go under 50-55 as a drilling angle. I am still learning about drilling and layouts, been bowling 25 yrs and always trusted my proshop until 3-4 yrs ago. I had a new guy drill me some stuff(3 Balls) that just didnt work for me. I went to my current guy, and he disagreed with how everything i had was drilled and changed everything. I have been happy with ball reactions since. The only thing I do notice is I leave a lot of 8 and 9 pins now that I never left before.
My Current Arsenal:
715T................... 65x4.4x30 1000AB
505T................... 65x4.5x30 2000AB
Bank Pearl...........60x5x40 1500 polished
Dark Star.............70x3.5x40 1500 polished
Red Backlash.......75x3x35 2000 polished
Title: Re: Building a new arsenal
Post by: scotts33 on March 29, 2011, 07:26:51 AM
Is this why we hear a lot of 900G balls crack stories?
Scott
Title: Re: Building a new arsenal
Post by: tdub36tjt on March 29, 2011, 07:59:47 AM
If you trust your pro shop guy he should be able to pick a good layout for you. Have you ever tried double thumb layout?? If your looking for the most overall hook its the way to go....I guess it depends where you want the Break Out/Eagle to fit in your arsenal.
Title: Re: Building a new arsenal
Post by: vkowalski1970 on March 29, 2011, 08:58:19 AM
I just spoke to my proshop guy , he said lets drill the Eagle the same or close to the 505T, said it will be more angular and a few boards stronger (at OBB)and then redrill the 715T double thumb. He said it will make the 715t stronger in the oil. What do you guys think?
My Current Arsenal:
715T................... 65x4.4x30 1000AB
505T................... 65x4.5x30 2000AB
Bank Pearl...........60x5x40 1500 polished
Dark Star.............70x3.5x40 1500 polished
Red Backlash.......75x3x35 2000 polished
Title: Re: Building a new arsenal
Post by: tdub36tjt on March 29, 2011, 09:10:30 AM
Seems like it would seperate the 715T and Eagle in your arsenal a little.Sounds like your proshop knows what they are doing a rarity these days at least around me..... The only thing you would possibly be missing would be something with a really strong cover but you should have 99% of the conditions you will see covered....
Title: Re: Building a new arsenal
Post by: vkowalski1970 on March 29, 2011, 10:11:47 AM
I have had a couple balls with strong covers and they didnt really work for me, the only one that did was a Virtual Gravity which I liked alot. I had a Mutant Cell and a CSystem 3.5 and I didnt care for either. He did mention that if I was changing my arsenal I should look at the Nano to go above the Eagle. I know this kills him since he is a Track Staff member.
I will say I really like both 505T and 715T, when I had them drilled I wasnt bowling a lot of tourneys, now i am and the 715T drilled that way does ok in heavier oil, but Id like to see it turn a bit harder. The 505T is a great med/heavy and fresh THS ball. Very consistent roll and reads the lane great. I didnt care for the "A" balls and that why I ventured to 900 Global. The Bank pearl although not skid/flip it is still angular for me. It has become my first ball out on THS.
My Current Arsenal:
715T................... 65x4.4x30 1000AB
505T................... 65x4.5x30 2000AB
Bank Pearl...........60x5x40 1500 polished
Dark Star.............70x3.5x40 1500 polished
Red Backlash.......75x3x35 2000 polished
Title: Re: Building a new arsenal
Post by: tdub36tjt on March 29, 2011, 07:45:02 PM
I was thinking the Nano too....
Title: Re: Building a new arsenal
Post by: Tex on March 29, 2011, 08:19:14 PM
I have had balls crack from every manufacturer, so not sure if one is any worse than another. I have had multiple Ebonite and Columbia (pre Ebonite ownership) crack, at least one from Storm and 900. Brunswick and Lane 1 are the only ones I have owned that have not had cracks, but have only had a couple of each. The 900 G was a Break Point Pearl. The one common thread between most of these is strong cover stocks. That being said I dug out an old orange Pirahna a while back to find it cracked in half after 20 years. Off subject of this thread but thought I would respond to the question. There was an Ebonite that I loved back in the 90's (blank on which one right now) that I loved. A couple buddies of mine picked these up at the same Ebonite promotion and both theirs either cracked when drilled or within weeks after. Mine lasted a couple years and then split in half setting in my den in the bag between weeks. It like several of mine had a monster back end and read the dry extremly hard, skid flip type reaction similar to the BP pearl.
On the Eagle, I am not sure about the Nano but can't imagine a ball any more versatile than the Break Out. That for me is the strength of this cover/core combination.
Roll with 900 Global.
Made in Texas!
Title: Re: Building a new arsenal
Post by: tommyboy74 on April 09, 2011, 10:33:43 PM
"There was an Ebonite that I loved back in the 90's (blank on which one right now) that I loved."
The ball was one of the better early reactives by reading the midlane well and once hit the dry, it was very angular. It seemed to carry extremely well and my dad owned one for a while. Then, he added a Teal Rhino Pro to compliment it and give another look. That was another great ball of its time.
As for me, I still have my old C300 Piranha and Cuda/C along with an old Brunswick Purple Rhino Prositting in my basement. The Cuda and Rhino haven't cracked. The Piranha did, and only recently.