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Equipment Boards => 900 Global => Topic started by: Bowlaholic on August 30, 2015, 09:42:10 PM
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I know some of you will not believe it, I can hardly believe it myself. As you know a couple of weeks ago I reported that I went to my ball rack in my climate controlled room and found my 3rd Black Eagle cracked all the way around, along with my Black Eagle Pearl which was also cracked all the way around. So that made three Black Eagles and one Black Eagle Pearl cracked all the way around.
Well today I went to my ball rack in the same climate controlled room only to discover that my War Eagle was cracked from the mass bias to the index finger hole and my new Breakout was cracked all the way around the ball.
The tally to date is six 900 Global balls cracked. Note: last week I discovered my AMF
Green Mamba cracked at the bridge. I am not that concerned as I have had numerous balls ( 900 Global, AMF, Storm/Roto Grip) crack at the bridge (except Motiv balls).
A 900 Global staff representative (Curt Dupree) wrote a sincere apology which was appreciated, but also stated in his posting that the balls were 2012 releases.
Well the War Eagle was a slightly a newer release (as was the Black Eagle Pearl), and the Breakdown is a 2/1/15 release. So it seems that if there is a problem with the 900 Global balls cracking all the way around the ball it is continuing to date.
BTW all the 900 Global balls were sitting next to Track, Columbia 300, Storm/Roto Grip, and Motiv Balls of which none of these have cracked.
Tomorrow, I will be visiting my PSO to file a warranty claim for the Breakdown. But, I am out of luck on the other five balls.
I stated in my previous post that I was completely done with 900 Global balls. The latest two cracking have totally turned me 100% away from 900 Global/AMF. I just cannot financially afford it.
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Do you keep the balls in plastic bags?
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No I do not. As I stated I have not had any problem with full cracking with any ball brand except 900 Global. So if plastic bags were the answer and I did not use them then all the other brand of balls should be cracking also, which they have not. To me
it is not a problem of turning the balls every couple of months, plastic bags, beveled hole, how you glue the finger inserts, etc.
It is a problem with the manufacturing process of 900 Global/AMF. WHY? Because it happened to six of my 900 Global balls and only my 900 Global balls!!!
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When in doubt, complain and troll the internet.
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If your comment is directed to me, I am not complaining. I stopped that after losing the first four balls. Now at the loss of six, it is a fact that I feel my fellow posters on this forum need to be aware of.. I wonder what your comments would be if you lost six balls from the same manufacturer (four in the last few weeks), or are you that "rich" that it just would not matter to you. If so, I'm jealous.
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Ive had a number Global/AMF balls crack. I have Reax, Endless Nightmare, and a Hellraiser core sitting in my living room, if you're that interested Ill post pics. A 607a cracked all the way around, and even a Visionary who's toughness is a legend. Crap happens. Fact is bowling balls aren't meant to last. Id buy an S75 Break or black Reax in a heart beat, or another 607. My opinion is that by singling out one company over and over is for you to be slanderous.
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I leave all my balls on the ground on carpet lol. been 2 almost 3 year i never had 1 ball cracked on me. Dont know if it counts as cracking but i had a triple nexxxus big o piece chip off brand new ball, tried put a thumb hole and pow chipped off a big chunk. also had a storm tropical heat chip off a huge chunk trying to drill a new ball.
anyways never had a ball cracked sitting there lol guess im lucky. or you guys should leave the balls on the carpet on the ground haha. just my hypothesis i came up with. i hear people have ball racks and i hear balls crack on ball racks thus ball racks no bueno. just a suggestion and chiming in.
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Rusty: The definition of slander is making a false statement about someone or something. From checking, the original poster is not making a false statement if he really did have 6 900 Global balls crack. I don't know more or less than you about this, so unless he can provide pictures, we don't know for sure. But, just because he points out that he is having issues with his 900 Global stuff crack and not other companies is not making a slanderous statement unless we can prove either A) He has not had 6 900 Global balls crack or B) He has had other manufacturers crack and he is not reporting it. Before anybody says anything about the AMF Green Mamba he has that cracked, AMF is poured by.....900 Global.
So technically Rusty, YOU are potentially making the slanderous statement by suggesting he is lying, without the proof to back it up.
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Rustylegacy,
Before you make accusations of slander, why don't you take the time a look up the definition of slander. Here I'll do it for you.
"The utterance of a falsehood that damages another's reputation" There is no falsehood.....only six 900 Global balls lost ...four in the last three weeks. Those are hard real facts.
What has me concerned is the manufacturing problem San Antonio may have had in 2012/2013 that many have talked about apparently may still exist as my Breakdown is six months old and the same full cracking happened. It may be ironic, then again it may not.
I wish I could point to another ball company where I have lost six balls from one company due to cracking, but my arsenal is not that big.
Have a nice day!
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Rusty, how did you separate the cores from the filler? I have tried that with a hammer and a chisel on a few different balls that have cracked all the way around, and the results have made me wonder how a ball even cracked in the first place!
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Do you use grips and get all of your stuff drilled at the same place?
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Even though I would like to try some 900 Global stuff, I have refrained from buying any due to the cracking issues. I believe it is probably a manufacturing issue (no proof) but my last 5 Global balls all had very short life spans before cracking. No, they are not the only company that I have experienced cracking with but certainly they are the most prolific. At this point, I just don't trust them to last.
Scott
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Bowlaholic, the Breakdown should easily be covered by the warranty. Can you post a pic of that ball/crack for me?
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Curt,
I can gmail you pictures from my wife's phone. I recently switched my computer from Window7 to Windows 10 and I am having all kinds of problems that won't allow me to send or open attachments to emails. Otherwise I would have posted pictures on my posts here.
Let me know how I can gmail you and I will send the pictures.
Bowlaholic
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Curt,
I can gmail you pictures from my wife's phone. I recently switched my computer from Window7 to Windows 10 and I am having all kinds of problems that won't allow me to send or open attachments to emails. Otherwise I would have posted pictures on my posts here.
Let me know how I can gmail you and I will send the pictures.
Bowlaholic
You can send me the pictures to cdupre@uno.edu Thank you very much!
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Curt,
Sent pictures.
Thanks for your interest.
Bowlaholic
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I apologize for using the incorrect term.
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@Lilpossum the Brunswick made cores just fall right out, they are shiny. Any of the others that I cracked the rest of the way the filler is bonded very well to the core.
My whole point is that while I was definitely pissed about them cracking, I moved on. I didnt feel the need to bad mouth any company or take it upon myself to "warn" the bowling ball forum on the internet of how poorly they are made. I got a new ball and kept bowling.
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Ok thanks. The only ones I have ever seen crack are storm and rotogrips. I thought the cores would make good paper weights. It wasn't worth the effort to take them apart because they were bonded so well
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I had an old Triton Elite pearl that I got in 98 that came out clean (at least that one lasted a long time before it cracked!), and those 3. All others were the same as what you had.
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just had to chime in,have a bank,mamba,heatstroke,balck eagle,gripit and boost sittin in the basement on a ball rack. No cracks as of yet but they do collect dust,maybe that's the answer. :o what part of the world do you live in ?
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just had to chime in,have a bank,mamba,heatstroke,balck eagle,gripit and boost sittin in the basement on a ball rack. No cracks as of yet but they do collect dust,maybe that's the answer. :o what part of the world do you live in ?
Haha yea collecting dust could very well be an answer my floors are dusty indeed!
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I have had balls of every brand crack. Yes I have had a lot of 900 balls crack, but every ball in my older arsenal was theirs. I have a Disturbed sitting right next to a Train in my floor right now and both cracked.. I had a recent discussion with my Storm/RG rep and he told me a secret I had never heard. Store the balls in the original plastic bag they came in, not in open air. That it has been determined that moisture absorption will cause the cracking and this can just be humidity. Not sure yet if it works, but all my newer stuff is now stored in this manor since I will be out of bowling for about 9 months due to surgery. Hopefully come next spring they are all in one piece.
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I have had balls of every brand crack. Yes I have had a lot of 900 balls crack, but every ball in my older arsenal was theirs. I have a Disturbed sitting right next to a Train in my floor right now and both cracked.. I had a recent discussion with my Storm/RG rep and he told me a secret I had never heard. Store the balls in the original plastic bag they came in, not in open air. That it has been determined that moisture absorption will cause the cracking and this can just be humidity. Not sure yet if it works, but all my newer stuff is now stored in this manor since I will be out of bowling for about 9 months due to surgery. Hopefully come next spring they are all in one piece.
Sounds like just another "theory" on why balls crack. I have two racks of balls in the open air, some crack and some don't.
I have a good idea on why a ball cracks, but I have seen nothing that convinces me as to what starts the process in the first place. I suspect it has a lot to do with variances in the manufacturing process.
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Hello,
I have a thought.
3 of my bowling balls have cracked in the last 3 years or so.
All of them were............
Sitting on a rack.....rotated about every 3-4 weeks.
Cracked in the bridge area first. 2 bridges had the proper width (1/4th inch or more)
Sitting in a room between 74-80 degrees all day and night
None of my BB's have ever cracked in my bowling bag whether it was in the car. (120 degrees plus) or in my closet. My thought is when the surface of the ball is sitting on a very tiny surface (ring) it is more susceptible to cracks.
Cav - My Hyroad cracked....my best ball ever
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Hello,
I have a thought.
3 of my bowling balls have cracked in the last 3 years or so.
All of them were............
Sitting on a rack.....rotated about every 3-4 weeks.
Cracked in the bridge area first. 2 bridges had the proper width (1/4th inch or more)
Sitting in a room between 74-80 degrees all day and night
None of my BB's have ever cracked in my bowling bag whether it was in the car. (120 degrees plus) or in my closet. My thought is when the surface of the ball is sitting on a very tiny surface (ring) it is more susceptible to cracks.
Cav - My Hyroad cracked....my best ball ever
Honestly, I don't think that's it. I have two ball racks in the open air and the balls sit on a ring. None of these cracked in three years, but I have had one crack sitting in my bag in the same room.
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If Storm is right and its moisture, then the temperature has no affect. Humidity could actually be lower at higher temps than at a moderate temp like 75 degrees. Cooler the air the easier it might be to hold moisture in the air. Putting in the bags is certainly worth a try. I have had balls crack on the floor, in bags and boxes. I always thought that stronger covers stocks seemed to crack easier than weaker, but had a 20 plus year old Pirahna crack sitting in a box inside my house which is kept around 72 to 74 degrees. I have owned very few Brunswick so no experience on those but I have seen several newer Brunswick/DV8 sitting in the proshop floor cracked and some had so few games there wasn't even a track yet.
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If Storm is right and its moisture, then the temperature has no affect. Humidity could actually be lower at higher temps than at a moderate temp like 75 degrees. Cooler the air the easier it might be to hold moisture in the air. Putting in the bags is certainly worth a try. I have had balls crack on the floor, in bags and boxes. I always thought that stronger covers stocks seemed to crack easier than weaker, but had a 20 plus year old Pirahna crack sitting in a box inside my house which is kept around 72 to 74 degrees. I have owned very few Brunswick so no experience on those but I have seen several newer Brunswick/DV8 sitting in the proshop floor cracked and some had so few games there wasn't even a track yet.
Hotter air holds more water mass than cooler air.
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If Storm is right and its moisture, then the temperature has no affect. Humidity could actually be lower at higher temps than at a moderate temp like 75 degrees. Cooler the air the easier it might be to hold moisture in the air. Putting in the bags is certainly worth a try. I have had balls crack on the floor, in bags and boxes. I always thought that stronger covers stocks seemed to crack easier than weaker, but had a 20 plus year old Pirahna crack sitting in a box inside my house which is kept around 72 to 74 degrees. I have owned very few Brunswick so no experience on those but I have seen several newer Brunswick/DV8 sitting in the proshop floor cracked and some had so few games there wasn't even a track yet.
Hotter air holds more water mass than cooler air.
Has the potential to.
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I've had 1 ball crack in the last 25 years,a No Mercy within the warranty period. I have to wonder if it's from some of these ball cleaner's being used. or maybe the ca glue used for slugs and inserts.
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I've had 1 ball crack in the last 25 years,a No Mercy within the warranty period. I have to wonder if it's from some of these ball cleaner's being used. or maybe the ca glue used for slugs and inserts.
I would agree with that. I don't use grips or slugs and have never lost a ball to cracking not even the bridge. My equipment is on a rack in the basement year round but I do rotate them time to time. I would lean towards the glue having some effect on the cover cracking and also if you use slugs, the way they have to pound the slug in the hole. That's just adding more pressure to the outer shell.
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I've had balls crack, but none first drill. I don't use grips, but do use thumb slugs, and switched over to the interchangable thumbs like 4 years ago. No issues. I wonder if the pro shop owner uses a certain kind of glue that makes this an issue with 900 Global covers?
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I was very interested in bowlingman 817's post, then I remembered that my wife's Columbia Scout which has no finger inserts or thumb slugs recently cracked all the way around this ball. The Scout has no core, just a pancake block.
After reading all the posts, I'm starting to believe that "cracking" is the luck of the draw.
It happens to some of us and not to others. That's life, I guess!
NOTE: All the NIB balls in the plastic wrap, in the closet in the climate controlled room have yet to crack????
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I've had 1 ball crack in the last 25 years,a No Mercy within the warranty period. I have to wonder if it's from some of these ball cleaner's being used. or maybe the ca glue used for slugs and inserts.
I would agree with that. I don't use grips or slugs and have never lost a ball to cracking not even the bridge. My equipment is on a rack in the basement year round but I do rotate them time to time. I would lean towards the glue having some effect on the cover cracking and also if you use slugs, the way they have to pound the slug in the hole. That's just adding more pressure to the outer shell.
Everyone of my balls has both finger grips and thumb inserts and only 2 have cracked over the past 20 years of the hundreds of balls I have stored both drilled and undrilled in my basement. I also store about 8 that are in current rotation in my office on the first floor and transport 4 of them (3 resin and 1 plastic) to and from bowling in my car's trunk.
One Track Sensor cracked all the way around in 2003 and one 900G Breakout cracked between the finger holes. Those are 2 of about 200, more or less, balls that have been stored in my basement, in the original plastic bag in the original box, sitting on ball cups on shelves, and sitting on an old rug in front of the shelves. Many of the drilled balls have just sat there for 8 - 10 years, as I hate to part with any balls plus the used ball market sucks (tired of giving way virtually brand new balls for $10).
Not one of the other 198 have cracked. Temperatures range from 55 - 70 degrees, humidity ranges from 50% to 80% in the basement. I have had every brand of ball except for ABS and the new NextGen/Genesis brand (But those are made by Visionary and I have had many of those.)
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I've had 1 ball crack in the last 25 years,a No Mercy within the warranty period. I have to wonder if it's from some of these ball cleaner's being used. or maybe the ca glue used for slugs and inserts.
I would agree with that. I don't use grips or slugs and have never lost a ball to cracking not even the bridge. My equipment is on a rack in the basement year round but I do rotate them time to time. I would lean towards the glue having some effect on the cover cracking and also if you use slugs, the way they have to pound the slug in the hole. That's just adding more pressure to the outer shell.
Everyone of my balls has both finger grips and thumb inserts and only 2 have cracked over the past 20 years of the hundreds of balls I have stored both drilled and undrilled in my basement. I also store about 8 that are in current rotation in my office on the first floor and transport 4 of them (3 resin and 1 plastic) to and from bowling in my car's trunk.
One Track Sensor cracked all the way around in 2003 and one 900G Breakout cracked between the finger holes. Those are 2 of about 200, more or less, balls that have been stored in my basement, in the original plastic bag in the original box, sitting on ball cups on shelves, and sitting on an old rug in front of the shelves. Many of the drilled balls have just sat there for 8 - 10 years, as I hate to part with any balls plus the used ball market sucks (tired of giving way virtually brand new balls for $10).
Not one of the other 198 have cracked. Temperatures range from 55 - 70 degrees, humidity ranges from 50% to 80% in the basement. I have had every brand of ball except for ABS and the new NextGen/Genesis brand (But those are made by Visionary and I have had many of those.)
That's not bad, but it's still 2 more than I've ever had.
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Charlest.. Did you say you do store yours in the original plastic bags? If so, your good luck sounds encouraging so maybe that does help. I have kept a lot of the bags but had never used them until I was storing my equipment since I knew I wasn't bowling for 9 months or so. Last time and even with the balls I did not put in bags this year I have had balls crack, but so far I don't think any of the new stuff in bags have had issues.