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Equipment Boards => 900 Global => Topic started by: stormed1 on April 30, 2017, 03:49:05 PM
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Cover S71 pearl
Finish 1500 polish
Color Gold Pearl
Core Grapnel asymmetric
Flare potential 4-5"
WEIGHTS 14-16
LINK TO INFO SHEET
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/6376494025ddb31730fed7ac5/files/b0847078-b785-4ef5-a3ef-09fdec264ad7/Honey_Badger_Global.pdf
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The Clutch weightblock?? Nice!
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OUCH!
Specs on that 14lb'er don't look good. RG is way up, and diff is way down.
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OUCH!
Specs on that 14lb'er don't look good. RG is way up, and diff is way down.
Yes. That makes the 14 lb. version a completely different ball.
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Not just the 14 pounder. The spread between the 16 and the 15 cores is huge too. Each of those 3 balls could be released with a different name they are so different from each other. Not a good way to bring a ball to market, IMO
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Or after drilling and testing the manufacture got the desired ball reaction out of each and produced the ball listed.
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Or after drilling and testing the manufacture got the desired ball reaction out of each and produced the ball listed.
While it's possible, do you really believe it's likely?
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Or after drilling and testing the manufacture got the desired ball reaction out of each and produced the ball listed.
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OK. I seriously doubt that, but whatever.
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Pretty odd name for a bowling ball. JMO though.
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Maybe they're all different because like the Honey Badger...it doesn't give a f*ck.
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Maybe they're all different because like the Honey Badger...it doesn't give a f*ck.
Best explanation so far.
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Maybe they're all different because like the Honey Badger...it doesn't give a f*ck.
Best explanation so far.
I now need to watch that video again
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Or after drilling and testing the manufacture got the desired ball reaction out of each and produced the ball listed.
While it's possible, do you really believe it's likely?
Yes. Bowlers spend a lot of time looking at numbers they do not understand versus manufactures intended purpose for said bowling ball. Unfortunately I was trying to find the specs for previous releases using this core, but only found the specs in 15lbs.
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Or after drilling and testing the manufacture got the desired ball reaction out of each and produced the ball listed.
While it's possible, do you really believe it's likely?
Yes. Bowlers spend a lot of time looking at numbers they do not understand versus manufactures intended purpose for said bowling ball. Unfortunately I was trying to find the specs for previous releases using this core, but only found the specs in 15lbs.
I know. My friend has an DynoThane Threshold and an AMF CLutch with the same core and both are still going strong.
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Just a friendly reminder, the Clutch weightblock and the Pearl weightblock are different numbers. This is closer to the solids numbers.
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This may be a no filler/all coverstock ball. Would explain the big differences in numbers between the weights.
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This ball is going to get a lot of people to switch brands. I love my EBI stuff right now, but anything Gold & pearlized makes for an awesome "look" on the lanes.
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This may be a no filler/all coverstock ball. Would explain the big differences in numbers between the weights.
True, but unfortunately, as much as that may make the 16 and 15 lb. versions desirable, it still leaves the 14 lb as the sad, ugly sister. If the 15 & 16 handle medium oil, those numbers make it seem like the 14 is a light oil ball.
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Just a friendly reminder, the Clutch weightblock and the Pearl weightblock are different numbers. This is closer to the solids numbers.
Understood. I didn't look closely at the numbers that late at night. I was trying to find which AMF ball used that core.
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It's much closer to the Solids numbers than it is the Pearl
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It's much closer to the Solids numbers than it is the Pearl
I did say I understood. I accept that. :)
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It's much closer to the Solids numbers than it is the Pearl
I don't understand how you can say this. what diff does the core numbers make between what type of cover it has?
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It's much closer to the Solids numbers than it is the Pearl
I don't understand how you can say this. what diff does the core numbers make between what type of cover it has?
The Clutch Pearl had a lower RG and higher diff than the Solid Clutch, along with a stronger cover.
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The core numbers will truly matter after it is drilled. Just my 2 cents.
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unfortunately the core number's don't always relate to how the ball performs. was the clutch a smooth ball or skid/flip? I'm thinking a pin down 14 with some surface would make a nice versatile piece.
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unfortunately the core number's don't always relate to how the ball performs. was the clutch a smooth ball or skid/flip? I'm thinking a pin down 14 with some surface would make a nice versatile piece.
The original Clutch was stronger than advertised.
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https://gallery.mailchimp.com/6376494025ddb31730fed7ac5/files/b0847078-b785-4ef5-a3ef-09fdec264ad7/Honey_Badger_Global.pdf
http://www.ballreviews.com/bowling/?topic=1072.0
Check out the rg and diff for the scout and tell me it was a good, all around versatile ball.
Im not trying to pick a fight, but I know what the numbers mean. At the 14lb level, the HB is going to go pretty/really long, not flare a whole lot, and be a lighter condition ball, even when the surface is at a matte finish.
Now, it may be GREAT at what it is intended to be, but I am inclined to believe it would be easier to make it a dart than a boomerang, especially with those weak core specs (at 14lbs).
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probably not but my 14 lb. Venus has been a very pleasant surprise. I've been able to cover ten pins,roll straight up the track or crank it deep inside with good results. sometimes you just don't know what these balls will do.
I have a pin down GB2 that despite what finish is on it it just wants to boomerang,polish it and it's a dart.
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unfortunately the core number's don't always relate to how the ball performs. was the clutch a smooth ball or skid/flip? I'm thinking a pin down 14 with some surface would make a nice versatile piece.
The original Clutch was stronger than advertised.
Oh, It is/was. I bought one for my friend because his DT Threshold (same core & cover, I thought; turned out the cover was different) was so worn from use. The Clutch, with the same drilling was at least 5 full boards stronger overall, with possibly 3 more boards at the backend.
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unfortunately the core number's don't always relate to how the ball performs. was the clutch a smooth ball or skid/flip? I'm thinking a pin down 14 with some surface would make a nice versatile piece.
My friend's 16 lb. Clutch was almost skid/flip and NO ball he has ever owned and thrown can skid/flip: he has too much ball speed and not enough revs, a down and in player, almost exclusively. 3rd arrow is nose bleed territory for him.
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Weird that it is listed for flare of 4"-5" with no asterisk next to the 14lbs weight.
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Weird that it is listed for flare of 4"-5" with no asterisk next to the 14lbs weight.
Yeah, I wonder. Maybe with a very strong drilling, Nah! but a weight hole isn't going to affect much of that core. :) :(:( I think 4" of flare is a stretch of believability with that much differential (RG & intermediate)
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I'd be willing to bet drilled without a weight hole will bump up plenty. Didn't seem to be an issue for Hammer fans.
http://www.hammerbowling.com/products/balls/mid-performance/hammer-black-urethane-real-urethane
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Weird that it is listed for flare of 4"-5" with no asterisk next to the 14lbs weight.
Maybe they used one of Mo's super special ultra mega supremely dynamic flare increasing drillings on it without putting an asterisk by that either.
Ball companies are marketing driven. The largest segment of the market won't know, or care, about the numbers, only that it is "cool".
Look, you obviously know a lot about bowling balls, so you know as well as I do what the numbers say about this one.
High rg and low diff = lower flare potential.
Polished pearlized cover = less friction.
Lower flare potential + less friction = length
Backend depends on the oil pattern and the covers response to friction. Could be a house shot champ, or a skid/flip nightmare.
I HAVE NO GRIPE AGAINST 900 GLOBAL, or any other ball company anymore. They only sell because people buy, and plenty of people will buy this one.
If the numbers didn't scare me so much, I might be inclined to try one, but I don't need another ball with these specs. I have several, and I know what they do.........
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Every release is a must have in your bag. Just ask any manufacturer.
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Every release is a must have in your bag. Just ask any manufacturer.
Oh now you're just being cheeky. :D
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Just an update. This ball is shell and core. No filler. Explains the numbers being drastically different.
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Just an update. This ball is shell and core. No filler. Explains the numbers being drastically different.
Why did they decide to leave the 14 lb core dynamics so low is all I want to know.
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Why did they decide to leave the 14 lb core dynamics so low is all I want to know.
If the ball is lighter then wouldn't the extra dynamics come from the bowler?
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I would imagine that the reason is since there is no filler, that the core modification is the only way they could change ball weight. If I'm looking at the Quantums correctly, the rgs are much different while keeping the same diff. Am i reading it correctly?
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Just an update. This ball is shell and core. No filler. Explains the numbers being drastically different.
This may be a no filler/all coverstock ball. Would explain the big differences in numbers between the weights.
Tootin' my own horn! ;D Not that there was any other answer that would have made sense.
This ball looks really interesting though. Has the S71 coverstock been used in the past? None of the current options have it and my knowledge of previous 900 Global products is severely lacking.
If I buy a new ball at full price this season it's more than likely going to be something 900 Global. The Honey Badger is at the top of the list. No filler, a weight block that should let the ball get down the lane easier, and gold pearl coverstock? Sign me up.
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I don't remember any ball using S71.
Also, remember, Pearl Ninja SE is coming too.
The discontuined list is impressive too. Inception, truth solid, X, Infrared, Spec Ops, pearl boost and compass have been cut,along with the nighthawk se, escape and great escape.
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I don't remember any ball using S71.
Also, remember, Pearl Ninja SE is coming too.
The discontuined list is impressive too. Inception, truth solid, X, Infrared, Spec Ops, pearl boost and compass have been cut,along with the nighthawk se, escape and great escape.
Always wanted a Great Escape. Man that is a lot cut from the lines. I figured one of the OPs was gone, so the Black ops is still a good seller it appears..
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I don't remember any ball using S71.
Also, remember, Pearl Ninja SE is coming too.
The discontuined list is impressive too. Inception, truth solid, X, Infrared, Spec Ops, pearl boost and compass have been cut,along with the nighthawk se, escape and great escape.
Always wanted a Great Escape. Man that is a lot cut from the lines. I figured one of the OPs was gone, so the Black ops is still a good seller it appears..
I don't agree with the X, but the rest I could see. New inception along with the Covert Ops makes sense. I'm looking forward to a pearl Ninja SE.
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Wow I'm shocked that they're cutting so many. The X is definitely surprising.
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So that would leave 900 Global with this as their product line:
Inception DCT / Inception Redux / Inception Pearl
Truth Pearl / Respect Solid / Respect Pearl
Honey Badger / Drift / Dark Matter / Boo-Yah!
Covert Ops / Desert Ops / Black Ops
Boosts
Not sure if the two Respect balls and the Dark Matter are still in production but they're listed on the main web page. Still a pretty robust lineup even if those three are out.
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So that would leave 900 Global with this as their product line:
Inception DCT / Inception Redux / Inception Pearl
Truth Pearl / Respect Solid / Respect Pearl
Honey Badger / Drift / Dark Matter / Boo-Yah!
Covert Ops / Desert Ops / Black Ops
Boosts
Not sure if the two Respect balls and the Dark Matter are still in production but they're listed on the main web page. Still a pretty robust lineup even if those three are out.
The Respect Solid, Respect Pearl and Dark Matter have been discontinued. I can see a new Truth coming out for maybe August or September. The Truth Pearl is such a good seller right now, 900 Global may push back a new Truth for a bit. The Honey Badger is going to be interesting as the ball has no outer core/filler.
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IMO, they need a X ball motion in there as well.
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Then:
Inception DCT / Inception Redux / Inception Pearl
Truth Pearl
Honey Badger / Drift / Boo-Yah!
Covert Ops / Desert Ops / Black Ops
Boosts
Not bad. I think another solid, something smooth like everybody said the X is/was, might be missing like Doom said but otherwise that's a nice lineup.
If I completely rebooted my bag and only went with one company I think 900 Global would match up the best with what I like... But that's only going off of core numbers and the small amount of information I hear about their stuff in my area. It's basically nonexistent here.
On another note what Boost balls will be left in production? Are all of the pearl variations being discontinued or just certain color combinations?
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There are 2 new Boost colors coming. So there should be 4 total when they arrive
Black/Green
Bubblegum
Royal/Scarlet/Violet
Black/Gray/Silver
I really want a Covert Ops. I've seen enough of that core being really good with solid covers
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Then:
Inception DCT / Inception Redux / Inception Pearl
Truth Pearl
Honey Badger / Drift / Boo-Yah!
Covert Ops / Desert Ops / Black Ops
Boosts
Not bad. I think another solid, something smooth like everybody said the X is/was, might be missing like Doom said but otherwise that's a nice lineup.
If I completely rebooted my bag and only went with one company I think 900 Global would match up the best with what I like... But that's only going off of core numbers and the small amount of information I hear about their stuff in my area. It's basically nonexistent here.
On another note what Boost balls will be left in production? Are all of the pearl variations being discontinued or just certain color combinations?
I'll be honest. I don't expect the Redux to make it til fall leagues. The purple cream Boost is out.
If you wanted a 900 Global bag, send me a pm and I can bounce some ideas around. I haven't drilled all the stuff I'd like to (which is most of it, lol), but I can peace you together something.
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I really want a Covert Ops. I've seen enough of that core being really good with solid covers
The original Break weightblock is best not messed with. Put that big engine in a good shell and let it sell. When they start tweaking stuff to make it a different motion, things don't sell so well. Spec ops was similar to the war eagle.. that didn't sell well either, and mine was marginal at best. Desert Ops looks to be the best modified Break weightblock ball they've put out.
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Same concept that Lane Masters used, or uses in a lot of their bowling balls. I know from rolling some of the original Lane Masters, that they had a great roll to them. It's a true two piece ball and the numbers are similar to the Lane Masters two piece balls.
http://123bowl.com/bowling-balls/lane-masters/big-r-bang/
Just my $.02, Bruce
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I'll be honest. I don't expect the Redux to make it til fall leagues. The purple cream Boost is out.
If you wanted a 900 Global bag, send me a pm and I can bounce some ideas around. I haven't drilled all the stuff I'd like to (which is most of it, lol), but I can peace you together something.
I really appreciate the offer but I've got a bunch of new and newish Big B family stuff so I'm set overall for a while. Was just thinking out loud. Still really contemplating getting a Honey Badger though. That would seemingly fit what I'm missing.
Redux not lasting would be interesting and a really short lifespan.
Going back to the Boosts, the Black/Green is a polished solid and the Bubblegum is a pearl right? So is one of the two new iterations a hybrid? Not that it makes much of a difference I'm just trying to get more familiar with 900 Global and how they like to do things.
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Both of the new Boosts will be pearls
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Thought the black green boost is a solid just like the hook was.
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Thought the black green boost is a solid just like the hook was.
It is
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Thought the black green boost is a solid just like the hook was.
The Black/Green and Bubblegum Boosts are already. They're saying there will be two more new releases beyond them with all others prior to those four being retired.
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Thought the black green boost is a solid just like the hook was.
The Black/Green and Bubblegum Boosts are already. They're saying there will be two more new releases beyond them with all others prior to those four being retired.
The Bubblegum is pearl cover.
I don't have any other information on the new ones outside of the color, but I'd expect the Royal/Scarlet/Violet to be pearl and I think the Black/Gray/Silver could be hybrid
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The Bubblegum is pearl cover.
I don't have any other information on the new ones outside of the color, but I'd expect the Royal/Scarlet/Violet to be pearl and I think the Black/Gray/Silver could be hybrid
I was going off of what Doom said above.
For what it's worth I think if 900 Global is going the consolidation route with their lineup that's the right move. Having too much bloat and overlap (and just plain old product) isn't a good thing.
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Both new colors are pearl. 100%
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Is the Black/Green Boost a polished solid or a pearl? I've seen it listed as either a solid or a pearl depending upon the website, but notably it's listed as a pearl on the 900 Global site.
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Is the Black/Green Boost a polished solid or a pearl? I've seen it listed as either a solid or a pearl depending upon the website, but notably it's listed as a pearl on the 900 Global site.
Everyone I've seen on staff has always said it's a solid. Weird that the site shows pearl
(https://www.ballreviews.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frs1371.pbsrc.com%2Falbums%2Fag281%2FRyBlakely1%2FScreenshot_20170512-092729_zpsmjocc6dq.png%3Fw%3D480%26amp%3Bh%3D480%26amp%3Bfit%3Dclip&hash=1c6fc68b456fdba8b753b93fc693c68f26a6e48c)
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https://www.900global.com/newglobalshop/?page_id=7970
Take a look at the page for the Cardinal Red Boost. Says S43 Pearl in the description, and S43 Hybrid in the tech specs. I think 900 Global has a few typos in their Boost pages. Probably from copying and pasting. Downloading and viewing the tech sheets is the best bet to get the real info, like the one SVstar posted above.
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Is the Black/Green Boost a polished solid or a pearl? I've seen it listed as either a solid or a pearl depending upon the website, but notably it's listed as a pearl on the 900 Global site.
Everyone I've seen on staff has always said it's a solid. Weird that the site shows pearl
(https://www.ballreviews.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frs1371.pbsrc.com%2Falbums%2Fag281%2FRyBlakely1%2FScreenshot_20170512-092729_zpsmjocc6dq.png%3Fw%3D480%26amp%3Bh%3D480%26amp%3Bfit%3Dclip&hash=1c6fc68b456fdba8b753b93fc693c68f26a6e48c)
The picture says S430 solid, polished at 1500...
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The picture says S430 solid, polished at 1500...
https://www.900global.com/newglobalshop/?page_id=9058
The web page for the ball says S43 Pearl, both in the description at the top and tech specs section. But the tech sheet, which is the picture above, says S43 Solid. Given everything said about the ball I think we all know it's a solid there's just some typos on 900 Global's website that makes things confusing.
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Maybe they're all different because like the Honey Badger...it doesn't give a f*ck.
I was waiting for someone to say this lol that video single handily makes me want this ball. I would even engrave that on the ball lol
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Honey badger has a 899 and not even released yet! Lol north Carolina.....299, 300, 300
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Honey badger has a 899 and not even released yet! Lol north Carolina.....299, 300, 300
Yup, 10 pin game one
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899, my Lord......
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This is going to be a sleeper. Keep your eyes out, folks.
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Honey Badger is LEGIT! Skid Flip motion without the over/under so far for me. Was able to use it on the team pattern for games 2 & 3. Shot 226,221,171. The 171 I tried to guess the transition before it happened, and I guessed wrong. Threw it in league last night shot 750. Very often I am not able to start off with a shiny pearl in league because I get significant over/under. I just don't see that with this ball. This one should fit MANY different styles of bowlers.
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Allow me to reiterate. Watch out for this one.
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I remember the Clutch being grossly underrated having the same core and a weaker cover! That ball was amazingly good. I agree, watch out for the Honey Badger.
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Maybe they're all different because like the Honey Badger...it doesn't give a f*ck.
Honey badger doesn't take $#!+ from anyone. Ooh look a cobra.
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This one is a must grab to me. Probably going to get a lot of head turns with this one!
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Love this ball. Super backend yet controllable. This seems to work well on med to dry and on carrydown conditions. I've never bought 2 of any ball but this might be the first.
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Love this ball. Super backend yet controllable. This seems to work well on med to dry and on carrydown conditions. I've never bought 2 of any ball but this might be the first.
I could see having one NIB. 2 in the bag would require a big surface change. And I've also still got my clutch Pearl in the bag, with one of those NIB too.
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Love this ball. Super backend yet controllable. This seems to work well on med to dry and on carrydown conditions. I've never bought 2 of any ball but this might be the first.
I could see having one NIB. 2 in the bag would require a big surface change. And I've also still got my clutch Pearl in the bag, with one of those NIB too.
I don't want another reaction, just want an extra NIB in the closet.
Mr. Doom have you drilled up one of these honeys yet?
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Love this ball. Super backend yet controllable. This seems to work well on med to dry and on carrydown conditions. I've never bought 2 of any ball but this might be the first.
I could see having one NIB. 2 in the bag would require a big surface change. And I've also still got my clutch Pearl in the bag, with one of those NIB too.
I don't want another reaction, just want an extra NIB in the closet.
Mr. Doom have you drilled up one of these honeys yet?
I haven't, but like I tell everyone, don't look at marketing hype, look at ball reaction. I haven't seen a bad one go thru the pins yet.