Post by: D Scott Johnson on December 03, 2010, 06:10:45 AM
Ball is drilled with the pin 5" from PAP, under the bridge with the mass bias kicked about 1 1/2" right of the thumb. I am medium speed with medium/low revs.
I have used the ball on a slightly heavier shot, slightly drier shot, and wet/dry and basically I can play straight up 8-9-10 on them all and score decent. I cannot, repeat, cannot give the ball room right and expect any hit or carry out of it.
Again, this isn't really a complaint, just not what I thought I was getting. And, so, I was wondering what the experience others who throw this ball was. Thanks. Scott
Post by: Hoselrockets on December 03, 2010, 02:24:05 PM
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Post by: JJM on December 03, 2010, 02:36:02 PM
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Post by: stormed1 on December 03, 2010, 03:49:27 PM
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Post by: Artimust on December 03, 2010, 03:50:13 PM
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Post by: Tex on December 04, 2010, 01:36:44 PM
I have had success with the Bank in two different tournaments. The first was a regional on Cheetah. Real surprise there unless you know that the lanes were a Chinese product and have weak outside line and takes something strong to hook from outside 5. Great reaction off the spot and carry was good. User error and not making changes quick enough biggest issues in this one.
Second tournament was on newer Brunswicks and hook again was strong. Too many corners and eratic ball speed letting the ball find the nose. If anything the Bank was too strong so had to switch to a weaker ball rather quick.
Bad reaction in on my home center Classic Men's league. Ball burns up and if you get to the pocket the carry is not what is should be. I use a Break Out the first game most of the time drilled shorter and polished at this center. I think the Bank is actually again too strong and burns up. My Bounty Hunter hooks even less their and it has an even stronger cover. Thus supporting the Bank being too much for these older Brunswick synthetics with the oil volume that is applied.
To me the motion is as described. When the lane conditions allow the ball to do its job the motion is really strong and ball sets up when it turns the corner with tons of power. When the pattern is too light and shot is not right, there are better choices but now days what else is new. Why so many carry half dozen balls just to league and even more to tournaments.
Post by: billdozer on December 04, 2010, 02:51:07 PM
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Post by: I_Bowl4Money on December 06, 2010, 06:15:34 AM
I'm finding it difficult to agree with anything that has been said about the BANK in this thread. I usually don't chime in but I feel the BANK is being unfairly judged.
Everyone on this thread has drilled this ball with 5"(plus) PIN to PAP drillings. If you are drilling a ball to hook, why are you drilling the PIN so far away from the PAP?
Pin down layouts with longer Pin to PAP layouts will create smoother ball motion down lane. Pin up layouts with longer Pin to PAP layouts will create more reaction down the lane but can give the an over/under reaction should the ball encounter friction too soon or too late.
I read posts on here all the time. I drill bowling balls for many different style of players and having punched 4 BANK's for other bowlers, none of them had adverse comments as they've gotten exactly what they wanted from this ball.
I'm not saying what your experiencing isn't true, but I do believe the overall viewpoint of the BANK isn't understood when it seems that the layouts are not conducive to the reaction you're trying to create.
If you have questions about your BANK, please feel free to send me a private message and I'll be happy to help you try an figure out what the issue may be with your reaction. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and it is taken as such, which is why I want to help anyone who hasn't given up hope.
I'll post a my review of this ball and hopefully that will give a better understanding of the BANK.
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Post by: tdub36tjt on December 08, 2010, 03:19:15 PM
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Post by: I_Bowl4Money on December 09, 2010, 07:14:03 AM
Please don''t take my post or this response the wrong way but when I see someone''s opinion (to which we''re all entitled) be presented in a way that perceives to discredit a bowling balls description I feel a need to speak up.
The factual information provided by the poster(s) is in concurrence with the reaction they are getting. How do you expect to see a bowling balls ability to hook when the layout promotes length or a smooth backend?
In re-reading the posts, to touch on what Hoselrockets said, I think bowlers mistake or misinterpret what true Overall Hook means, and interpret a balls hook based on it motion on the Back-End versus what it''s doing from the Front, Middle, and Back parts of the lane.
Hope this clears things up and clarifies my post a little better. Sorry if anyone took offense as it wasn''t my intention.
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Post by: icewall on December 09, 2010, 07:54:13 AM
I wish there was a video that showed this. id like to see if thats the case.
I don't have anything else to add. just wondering if that could be a contributing factor?
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Post by: MTD300 on December 09, 2010, 11:03:53 AM
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its my last g900 im going to buy. ever. had the bounty, terrible, break point, terrible. at the trade show the rep sold me on the bank. i sold it to my friend for $75 to recoop some of my losses. haha and i had the exact same issue as scott!
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Post by: Ehudakineyah on December 09, 2010, 04:16:07 PM
Had the Bank a while back:
Layout - 60 x 4" x 40
Just wanted to see what the ball could do, thought the ball was going to have a massive backend. But to my surprise the ball had a strong midland read and a smooth arc in the backend.
Drilled up a Bank for a customer:
Layout - 60 x 3 3/8" x 35
16 Mph speed, and about 375 RPM. The ball did the same thing I thought it would, the ball just has a strong midlane read and a smooth/strong arc in the back.
Another drill for customer:
Layout - 70 x 4 1/2" x 20
18 Mph speed, and about 450 RPM. Same thing again, and this was the exact layout he wanted me to put on the ball. And it did pretty much the same thing. Strong midland read, but didn't have the snap in the backend he and I was hoping for.
Still kind of new to this layout stuff, but that's my observations. I can post there PAP's as well if you need them to compare
All of these observations were from the ball being thrown on Synthetic lanes, and shots ranging from the route 66, sunset strip, 2010 USBC championship pattern, and Earl Anthony, etc lol
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Post by: tdub36tjt on December 10, 2010, 04:06:58 PM
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(asymmetrical bowling balls) this still makes me wonder if Mo Pinel is right that the more you go toward 6 1/4" from the PAP the quicker the ball forward rolls. and anywhere from 6 1/4 to I think 2 3/4 causes high flare potential.
I wish there was a video that showed this. id like to see if thats the case.
I don't have anything else to add. just wondering if that could be a contributing factor?
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Post by: River700 on December 10, 2010, 04:59:41 PM
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Post by: River700 on December 10, 2010, 05:18:48 PM
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I purchased a Bank from a fellow ball reviewer, plugged the thumb, redrilled and I have been using this for a couple of weeks now. All the propaganda says that this ball is one of 900 Globals biggest hookers, yet, I am not seeing it. Don't get me wrong, when I can go straight up the ball is very good. I just am not seeing as much hook (especially on the back end) as I thought I would.
Ball is drilled with the pin 5" from PAP, under the bridge with the mass bias kicked about 1 1/2" right of the thumb. I am medium speed with medium/low revs.
I have used the ball on a slightly heavier shot, slightly drier shot, and wet/dry and basically I can play straight up 8-9-10 on them all and score decent. I cannot, repeat, cannot give the ball room right and expect any hit or carry out of it.
Again, this isn't really a complaint, just not what I thought I was getting. And, so, I was wondering what the experience others who throw this ball was. Thanks. Scott
Scott,
What do you mean the ball won't carry or hit on the backend? Is it not reading the midlane right when you feed it into the dry? Well, you and I have about the same pap measurement so with the drilling you described, it gives you a lower drilling angle making it rev up slightly sooner and the higher val angle making it transition slower so therefore that is why you are getting the reaction that you are getting. You have tilt in the 9-10 degree range making you a higher tracker based off your pap. For anyone with a higher track like ours, putting the pin down below fingers bleeds energy and axis rotation leading to a smooth backend. If we want to reverse that we have to put the pin either above and right of fingers or straight over from the fingers in a shorter distance to the pap therefore making the ball retain what axis tilt and rotation there is upon the release. This will cause the ball to store more energy for the backend.
Here is some info if you haven't look at the dual angle layout method yet.
http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/images/c/cd/DualAngle.pdf
But, like what I just stated, if the balls nature is rolling more and a continuous backend, then no matter how you drill it, it is not going to be more on the backend and even if you could, why not get a ball that is designed to be more on the backend then have the rolly more continuous ball for playing on fresh oil.
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Post by: toomanytenpins on December 11, 2010, 07:18:35 PM
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Post by: tdub36tjt on December 12, 2010, 10:34:35 AM
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I have had 2 banks 1 pin up the other pin down . ! 4 x 45 pin up and the other was 3 and 3/8 x 45 pin down. they do the same thing . As long as there is oil I can carry while playing a straighter line. As the line breaks down I get tapped. I also cant move left to new track area because the ball wont recover. Throwing good shots ,but no carry is frustrating in itself,but when you cant adjust off the track and no other ball is strong enough to play in the line you had to abandon with the bank what do you do.
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Post by: BBU on December 15, 2010, 09:10:56 PM
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Post by: MTD300 on December 16, 2010, 03:20:24 AM
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Post by: Hoselrockets on December 16, 2010, 06:59:55 AM
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Stop buying second hand balls......buy brand new!!!! You wont be disappointed.
I agree with this...how often to you buy a pair of used glasses and say shot I can't see with these stupid things!! If that ball isnt' drilled for you it's a crap shot if it will roll well. That would happen with a lot of balls on the market today.
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Post by: D Scott Johnson on December 16, 2010, 01:50:40 PM
I'm sorry but that is the stupidest analogy I think I may ever have heard. Noone would buy used glasses unless they can get lens to fit at their RX. Bowling balls can be plugged and redrilled to exact specifications. I would agree if people are talking about trying to throw ill fitting equipment, but that wasn't the discussion I don't believe.
Why not buy used equipment? I have done it for years and very rarely has one ever fit perfectly with some plug work. But, with the proper work, it was just as good as a new one.
Again, I don't hate the ball. In fact, it is pretty good. But, I certainly didn't get out of it what I expected nor did it hook as much as I expected. And, from the tone of this thread, I am not alone in this observation.
Scott
Post by: MTD300 on December 16, 2010, 02:14:31 PM
Most hook monsters for me are mid range after 50 or so games due to oil absorbtion and lots of surface changes for the desired reaction.
I'm happy buying second hand balls if i'm intending on using that ball only on a massive house shot. If you are complaining about reaction shape/ball motion on a house shot then you need to learn how to bowl
Post by: Hoselrockets on December 16, 2010, 03:35:10 PM
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I agree with this...how often to you buy a pair of used glasses and say shot I can't see with these stupid things!! If that ball isnt' drilled for you it's a crap shot if it will roll well. That would happen with a lot of balls on the market today.
I'm sorry but that is the stupidest analogy I think I may ever have heard. Noone would buy used glasses unless they can get lens to fit at their RX. Bowling balls can be plugged and redrilled to exact specifications. I would agree if people are talking about trying to throw ill fitting equipment, but that wasn't the discussion I don't believe.
Why not buy used equipment? I have done it for years and very rarely has one ever fit perfectly with some plug work. But, with the proper work, it was just as good as a new one.
Again, I don't hate the ball. In fact, it is pretty good. But, I certainly didn't get out of it what I expected nor did it hook as much as I expected. And, from the tone of this thread, I am not alone in this observation.
Scott
Scott I know my analogy was not even close because and that's how it was supose to read. It was just as silly as people expecting new ball performance for them while the ball was drilled for someone else. Good plug work will be ok but I would assume most of these just did a thumb change for span and changed grips to get the ball to fit and they would think if the pin is in a favorite spot they should be ok. Now that is just an assumption but I'm sure it's very close to the truth.
If your having issues with getting this ball to hook maybe you should try a Cobra?
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Post by: toomanytenpins on December 16, 2010, 06:26:21 PM
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Post by: fishbowler on December 16, 2010, 07:00:39 PM
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Post by: Hoselrockets on December 16, 2010, 07:25:19 PM
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I bought a used really nice looking bank off ebat and had it drilled for my thumb pitch and span. pin above ring and cg out with a very small deep wt hole in p3 quadrant. At 4000 abralon for me and my slow speed (14mph the ball was a monster. I still couled hammer the hole with it playing deep inside on a THS but one mistake with speed and it was nose city. I took it resurfaced at home with my ball spinner. 1000, then 2000, then 4000 siaair, then a mdeium coat of snake oil so it had a nice gloss sheen to it. My Lord it was amazing on THS. I had the world and the thing had eyes for the pocket. granted shot was easy but carry for me has been not so good with lots of runing 10's and stone 8's and 9's. Shot 745 last nite in league and I moved one board all nite, actually right as oil pushed some. Read the midlane every single time perfect. If it was a little in in oil it held but not floating and then turn on end with hard predictable arc and crushed pocket. Only pocket leaves were 3 ten pins all nite long. made two poor shots and spared them. It does not flip or snap whatsoever. Excellent midlane and hard arc. Very continuous arc though. Pins stayed really low and these pins in this house fly normally. I absolutely love mine and thinking of another to keep duller for tougher shots. I can only bet this baby would excel on heavy oil with surface.
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Glad to hear a good success story, by any chance do you know your axis point?
On another note I really want to learn to fish for bass, I caught a couple this summer and what a rush.
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Post by: fishbowler on December 16, 2010, 07:55:59 PM
as a side note I had terrific luck in this house with a global 900 break point with pin under middle and mb out about 2 inches from thumb. But the bank is way stronger than bp though bp was more angular.
as for bass fishing I am true zealot. We are iced up here now but going ice fishing tomorrow for bass using minnows and jigs on some farm ponds, generally do real well catching lots up to 6 lbs. Any questions on bass just give me a holler
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Post by: BWDavy on December 23, 2010, 08:59:14 PM
I really can't imagine why anyone would have issues with this ball not finishing and carrying, unless it is hitting too hard. For me it finshes real hard on a THS but hits a bit too hard. Lots of 8's and 9's, but on tournament patterns it is GOLD!
It is very seldome that a ball comes along that creates a unique ball motion but this one does! Maybe so many people are so accustomed to seeing balls lope 40 feet and then flip violently tht the motion of the Bank is disconcerting to them. I know it accelerates evenly and smoothly but it retains energy phenomenally and isn't that what we are aiming for? Energy Retention and not necessarily overall hook?
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Post by: BBU on December 24, 2010, 03:40:03 AM
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Stop buying second hand balls......buy brand new!!!! You wont be disappointed.
I had it redrilled, thank you very much!
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