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Title: Pin down white hot?
Post by: michael.willis9 on February 14, 2019, 05:57:45 PM
Has anyone had any success with this?  I’m trying to replace a no rules pearl but I’ve noticed that a lot of my pin up stuff goes too long, I’m pretty speed dominant so I figure something pin down will help better
Title: Re: Pin down white hot?
Post by: CoorZero on February 14, 2019, 06:52:44 PM

Ragland does a comparison of two White Hot Badgers in in his video, one pin down and one pin up. Personally I think the pin up ball looks much better on both patterns he tested on but I guess it depends on what you're looking for.
Title: Re: Pin down white hot?
Post by: SVstar34 on February 14, 2019, 07:17:19 PM
Surface is your friend.

The No Rules Pearl would compare more to the Space Time Continuum. White Hot would be a step down
Title: Re: Pin down white hot?
Post by: michael.willis9 on February 14, 2019, 07:34:57 PM
Surface is your friend.

The No Rules Pearl would compare more to the Space Time Continuum. White Hot would be a step down

I’m not looking for an equal replace it to. I never really had conditions to use the NRP. so I’m looking for similar ball motion but weaker
Title: Re: Pin down white hot?
Post by: Impending Doom on February 14, 2019, 07:55:21 PM
Pin up and pin strong, maybe 4*40 and hit it with a 2000 pad.
Title: Re: Pin down white hot?
Post by: michael.willis9 on February 14, 2019, 08:02:47 PM
Pin up and pin strong, maybe 4*40 and hit it with a 2000 pad.

I hate to ask this. But I don’t know much about angles and my PSO doesn’t seem to either. Every time I go in he just asks if I want it “pin up and kick the cg out.”  What exactly would this look like?
Title: Re: Pin down white hot?
Post by: Impending Doom on February 14, 2019, 08:34:30 PM
Pin up and pin strong, maybe 4*40 and hit it with a 2000 pad.

I hate to ask this. But I don’t know much about angles and my PSO doesn’t seem to either. Every time I go in he just asks if I want it “pin up and kick the cg out.”  What exactly would this look like?

Ugh (to your PSO, not you!)

Pin 4 inches from your pap, just above your fingers. Put the CG anywhere because it means nothing.
Title: Re: Pin down white hot?
Post by: Juggernaut on February 14, 2019, 08:47:44 PM
Pin up and pin strong, maybe 4*40 and hit it with a 2000 pad.

I hate to ask this. But I don’t know much about angles and my PSO doesn’t seem to either. Every time I go in he just asks if I want it “pin up and kick the cg out.”  What exactly would this look like?

OUCH!

 Not the same guy, but I can answer the question.

 Since each person has their own, individual pap measurement, it will look different for each person who does it. One person might have the pin directly centered over the fingers, but another guy might have the pin above and to the right of the fingers, yet since their pap measurements are different, they are BOTH still 40 by 4, even though they “look” different.

 Find out what your positive axis point (pap) is, then someone will be much more able to fully describe what a “40 by 4” would be like for you.

P. S.  Impending posted while I was typing my reply. 😳😊
Title: Re: Pin down white hot?
Post by: tburky on February 15, 2019, 10:14:41 AM

Ragland does a comparison of two White Hot Badgers in in his video, one pin down and one pin up. Personally I think the pin up ball looks much better on both patterns he tested on but I guess it depends on what you're looking for.
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Ragland does a comparison of two White Hot Badgers in in his video, one pin down and one pin up. Personally I think the pin up ball looks much better on both patterns he tested on but I guess it depends on what you're looking for.

I’ve got 2 of them drilled very similar to the video. Pin down excels when the lanes transition a little bit.
Title: Re: Pin down white hot?
Post by: Impending Doom on February 15, 2019, 12:18:00 PM
As much as I love pin down balls, this is where I would use the ball for it's intended condition. Personally, I'd start with a Badger pin down (5*65 for me) and a little surface, then when that starts losing steam, go to a whb 5*40 and step left.
Title: Re: Pin down white hot?
Post by: Geigs on February 20, 2019, 04:57:10 PM
Hey Willis9, time for a new pso.  :o
Title: Re: Pin down white hot?
Post by: michael.willis9 on February 20, 2019, 07:55:34 PM
Hey Willis9, time for a new pso.  :o

Nope. Prices are too good to beat
Title: Re: Pin down white hot?
Post by: Geigs on February 20, 2019, 08:24:49 PM
Your pso should have more knowledge on dual angles, and drilling the new equipment, especially with the new usbc rules. Angles are  more important than ever before. But I understand price is a huge factor as well. I’ve seen some pro shops charge over $300 for new high end balls with drilling.   :o
Title: Re: Pin down white hot?
Post by: michael.willis9 on February 20, 2019, 08:27:12 PM
Your pso should have more knowledge on dual angles, and drilling the new equipment, especially with the new usbc rules. Angles are  more important than ever before. But I understand price is a huge factor as well. I’ve seen some pro shops charge over $300 for new high end balls with drilling.   :o

No ball is higher than $200 out the door. He has an understanding of the new rules but his drilling ideas are more old school. But he’s receptive to what I want and does good work with what I ask. Plus I don’t mind a little research
Title: Re: Pin down white hot?
Post by: Geigs on February 20, 2019, 08:33:55 PM
Gotcha. Educating yourself is key. Most important for me is that my pso nuts my specs, and that every ball feels the same on my hand. I pretty much lay it out myself., and tell him what I want.
Title: Re: Pin down white hot?
Post by: RoundHolesNoGripsProshop on February 21, 2019, 11:10:27 AM
You dont have a PSO, you have a guy that drills balls.... 

What are your specs?  Axis tilt? Axis Rotation? Ball speed? Rev Rate?  PAP?
Title: Re: Pin down white hot?
Post by: michael.willis9 on February 21, 2019, 11:23:45 AM
You dont have a PSO, you have a guy that drills balls.... 

What are your specs?  Axis tilt? Axis Rotation? Ball speed? Rev Rate?  PAP?
No. He definitely operates a Pro Shop
Title: Re: Pin down white hot?
Post by: AlonzoHarris on February 21, 2019, 12:21:12 PM
You dont have a PSO, you have a guy that drills balls.... 

What are your specs?  Axis tilt? Axis Rotation? Ball speed? Rev Rate?  PAP?
No. He definitely operates a Pro Shop

His point was the guy doesn't know what he's doing to be a real PSO. He just knows how to run a drill press.
Title: Re: Pin down white hot?
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on February 21, 2019, 01:17:49 PM
OT slightly but being a speed dominant high axis tilt player myself I have had very good results with my Mongoose Lifter wrist brace.  Does a decent job of retraining your release to have less axis tilt (was a bad spinner before) more revs and for your ball to start reading the lanes sooner.  Sure there are others but that one is working good for me.  Finding have to put less and less surface on my stuff now.  Not an overnight miracle but does help if stay with it imo.
Title: Re: Pin down white hot?
Post by: michael.willis9 on February 21, 2019, 01:54:27 PM
OT slightly but being a speed dominant high axis tilt player myself I have had very good results with my Mongoose Lifter wrist brace.  Does a decent job of retraining your release to have less axis tilt (was a bad spinner before) more revs and for your ball to start reading the lanes sooner.  Sure there are others but that one is working good for me.  Finding have to put less and less surface on my stuff now.  Not an overnight miracle but does help if stay with it imo.

Interesting. I don’t like the feel of bigger braces but I wonder if something smaller around the wrist would work
Title: Re: Pin down white hot?
Post by: BowlingForDonuts on February 21, 2019, 02:19:38 PM
OT slightly but being a speed dominant high axis tilt player myself I have had very good results with my Mongoose Lifter wrist brace.  Does a decent job of retraining your release to have less axis tilt (was a bad spinner before) more revs and for your ball to start reading the lanes sooner.  Sure there are others but that one is working good for me.  Finding have to put less and less surface on my stuff now.  Not an overnight miracle but does help if stay with it imo.

Interesting. I don’t like the feel of bigger braces but I wonder if something smaller around the wrist would work

Yeah pretty quick you get used to it as its not as bulky as some others.  I got the add on wedge kit as well and helps even more.  Mostly use for practice as its really good for working on coming up the back of the ball without breaking your wrist.  Prefer shooting spares without it so don't use for competition unless my release is just garbage that day.
Title: Re: Pin down white hot?
Post by: michael.willis9 on February 22, 2019, 06:30:19 AM
I actually had someone tell me to tuck my pinky in. It worked pretty well
Title: Re: Pin down white hot?
Post by: Geigs on February 22, 2019, 02:01:48 PM
Careful tucking your pinky. Pinky and ring finger want to bend together. Tucking pinky Puts a lot of strain on your tendons, especially the ring finger.  I know because I used to do that till I tore a tendon awhile back. Stopped tucking, and never had a problem since.
Title: Re: Pin down white hot?
Post by: tburky on February 22, 2019, 04:31:17 PM
Careful tucking your pinky. Pinky and ring finger want to bend together. Tucking pinky Puts a lot of strain on your tendons, especially the ring finger.  I know because I used to do that till I tore a tendon awhile back. Stopped tucking, and never had a problem since.
It’s been my experience that if you have a relaxed grip tucking pinky doesn’t cause issues. I could be wrong but that’s what I’ve experienced
Title: Re: Pin down white hot?
Post by: Geigs on February 22, 2019, 05:11:31 PM
Lots of factors involved. Relaxed span,  Stretched span, flexibility of individuals hand, joints, fingers. Pitches of the grip, grip pressure etc. If tucking pinky helps your game with no issues, then keep doin it. I can only speak for myself and what happened to me. Just don’t want to see anyone get an injury like I had.