Author Topic: S75 box finish (Read 2098 times)

CharlieBrown · « **on:** October 15, 2008, 03:50:31 AM »

Hi! I've just bought a S75. What is the box finish please?

On the website it says it's 1000 grit, but in the BTM it says it's 2000 Grit w/polish. On edit, in Ballreviews.com's 900 Global reviews section, it says it's '600 Grit sandpaper - Rubbing compound', so I'm cofused.

Mine does not look like it's at 1000. I've also just bought a Cell and it's supposed to be 2000. But My Cell looks a lot duller than the S75.

Thanks in advance.

ps, I have not had a chance to throw either yet.
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Edited on 10/15/2008 11:52 AM

jls · « **Reply #1 on:** October 15, 2008, 11:55:08 AM »

Well at first it was sanded to 600 with a rubbing compound finish, I believe. But today I heard from a customer who has the ball, that the web site is saying it's a 1000 pad finish. Possibly they made a change for the OOB finish. Or possibly there is a mistake on the web site.

We have been telling most of our customers to use a 1000 pad, and so far it has worked out well for them in oil. A 2000 pad may work even better and get you deeper into the night with the ball.

And if this is so, that they have changed the box finish, it must have just happened, because I just got some S-75's in Monday and they looked the same as they always did. I saw Eric yesterday and he did not mention anything about the box finish being changed.

Sometimes it is diffulcult for a customer to duplicate the box finish. We find that by telling them to use certain Abralon pads or polish, they can maintain a good reaction on their ball.

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Edited on 10/16/2008 2:31 PM

Edited on 10/16/2008 4:28 PM

charlest · « **Reply #2 on:** October 15, 2008, 03:06:30 PM »

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Hi! I've just bought a S75. What is the box finish please?

On the website it says it's 1000 grit, but in the BTM it says it's 2000 Grit w/polish. On edit, in Ballreviews.com's 900 Global reviews section, it says it's '600 Grit sandpaper - Rubbing compound', so I'm cofused.

Mine does not look like it's at 1000. I've also just bought a Cell and it's supposed to be 2000. But My Cell looks a lot duller than the S75.

Thanks in advance.

ps, I have not had a chance to throw either yet.
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You might mixing grades of grit level.
The Cell's finish is 2000 Abralon. Abralon uses FEPA (European) grading. It is equal to 1000 grit US grit level. The Cell has NO polish or rubbing compound used on it after the sanding. It is often called a matte finish. "Matte" is just another word for dull, but in bowling we reserve "dull" to describe balls at 600 US grit and below.

I'd bet the "600" grit level referenced by AMF is US grit level. You can probably replicate it by sanding with 600 US grit level (Scotch-Brite green nylon pad) and then using a rubbing compound like Track's (now Powerhouse's) Clean and Sheen. The finished surface appears to be what has been called a "compound polish". It looks halfway between a polish and a matte finish.

So, the Cell should look duller than an S75 Break. It is.
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Edited on 10/15/2008 3:07 PM

jls · « **Reply #3 on:** October 15, 2008, 03:47:32 PM »

Charlest, is Ebonite's Clean and Sheen a non oil base product? Also what about Ruff buff. Global's compound used on the Break S-75 is a non oil base I believe.

Thanks
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charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** October 15, 2008, 03:54:34 PM »

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Charlest, is Ebonite's Clean and Sheen a non oil base product? Also what about Ruff buff. Global's compound used on the Break S-75 is a non oil base I believe.

Thanks
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I can't say for sure. I have used them I don't smell anything in that vein. My nose is fairly sensitive to that. For example, I won't use Neo-Tac's Hook-It becuse it has that benzene-type toxic smell.

Is 900's compound for sale, that's components are of interest to you?

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jls · « **Reply #5 on:** October 15, 2008, 04:02:26 PM »

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Charlest, is Ebonite's Clean and Sheen a non oil base product? Also what about Ruff buff. Global's compound used on the Break S-75 is a non oil base I believe.

Thanks
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I can't say for sure. I have used them I don't smell anything in that vein. My nose is fairly sensitive to that. For example, I won't use Neo-Tac's Hook-It becuse it has that benzene-type toxic smell.

Is 900's compound for sale, that's components are of interest to you?

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They are not for sale as far as I know. I believe newguy said that the compound is a non oil base that they use.

We use and sell a lot of Ruff Buff, but I'm not sure if it is a non oil base product. Now we have had some bowlers use Ruff Buff on their S-75, and they seemed to like it.
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charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** October 15, 2008, 04:54:32 PM »

While Rough Buff is similar in functionality to Clean and Sheen, I find it far too aggressive and lacking in control over the final surface adjustment. I prefer Clean and Sheen. Personal preference, I suspect.
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CharlieBrown · « **Reply #7 on:** October 16, 2008, 03:46:32 AM »

Thank you jls, charlest.

Helpful as always.

Another question, jls, charlest: I like the Brunswick rough buff finish a lot (Vapor, Total, Absolute, Twisted etc), so if I want to have rough buff for my S-75, do I follow Brunsiwck's instruction, i.e., sand it to 220 first then apply rough buff? Or just sand it to 600 then rough buff?

(I'm going leave my S75 in box finish for now, it's just for future reference.)

Thanks again.

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Edited on 10/16/2008 3:53 AM

charlest · « **Reply #8 on:** October 16, 2008, 06:10:54 AM »

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Thank you jls, charlest.

Helpful as always.

Another question, jls, charlest: I like the Brunswick rough buff finish a lot (Vapor, Total, Absolute, Twisted etc), so if I want to have rough buff for my S-75, do I follow Brunsiwck's instruction, i.e., sand it to 220 first then apply rough buff? Or just sand it to 600 then rough buff?

(I'm going leave my S75 in box finish for now, it's just for future reference.)

Thanks again.
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Thank YOU! Glad to know my info is helpful.

RE: Rough Buff. B'wick's instructions are a good starting point. Just realize that at the factory, they apply a large, heavy dose to the ball after sanding to 220 grit. You can use lighter doses with lighter pressure and start with smoother (higher numerical) grit levels, like 600 grit. If you have your own spinner, be inventive, BUT keep a written record of what you did. Don't get all excited and trust your memory. The objective is to make the ball useful to you, not to "play" only, but to "play" with a purpose.

By the way, if you read the RB instructions carefully, it says you can start out with 220, but you can also go up the line to 320, 400 or more, depending on where you want to stop. Implicit, but unwritten is what I said above: you can use as much RB as you need, press as hard/soft as you need to and spin it for as long/short as you need, in order to get where you want the ball to be.

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CharlieBrown · « **Reply #9 on:** October 16, 2008, 08:13:46 AM »

Thanks again charlest!

The S75 and the Cell are my first non-Brunswick balls in 3/4 years, so I'm very excited.
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jls · « **Reply #10 on:** October 16, 2008, 09:13:47 AM »

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Thank you jls, charlest.

Helpful as always.

Another question, jls, charlest: I like the Brunswick rough buff finish a lot (Vapor, Total, Absolute, Twisted etc), so if I want to have rough buff for my S-75, do I follow Brunsiwck's instruction, i.e., sand it to 220 first then apply rough buff? Or just sand it to 600 then rough buff?

(I'm going leave my S75 in box finish for now, it's just for future reference.)

Thanks again.

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Edited on 10/16/2008 3:53 AM

This is what we do here, we use a 500 pad and then a 1000 pad and then apply ruff buff. For bowlers with more hand, we go to a 2000 pad then apply ruff buff. Anything higher then that needed, go to the Break Pearl.

We seldom use sand paper or scotch brite pads anymore. Mostly use abralon pads.

Charlest, I see you like clean and sheen, do you have a little more hand and decent revs??? I find that bowlers with more hand and revs tend to like clean and sheen over ruff buff.
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Edited on 10/16/2008 12:02 PM

CharlieBrown · « **Reply #11 on:** October 16, 2008, 11:21:38 AM »

Thanks jls!
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charlest · « **Reply #13 on:** October 16, 2008, 01:23:36 PM »

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Thanks again charlest!

The S75 and the Cell are my first non-Brunswick balls in 3/4 years, so I'm very excited.
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2 excellent balls, as long as you have enough oil or ball speed. Nice step away from B'wick but they still make very good balls, IMHO.
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