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Equipment Boards => 900 Global => Topic started by: tdub36tjt on November 15, 2010, 12:04:59 AM

Title: s75 Cover
Post by: tdub36tjt on November 15, 2010, 12:04:59 AM
900 Global needs to bring back the s75 cover on something. That cover for me was stronger than any other cover in the 900 Global line-up. At 2000 no polish it was earlier than even my Bounty Hunter. At OOB surface it retained energy and just flat out hooked. And it lasted for a very long time. My s75 has over 200 games and still hooks a lot. Not as much as when it was brand new but still hooks a lot. I just think they should throw this cover on one of the newer cores and see how it does!!
Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: Hoselrockets on November 15, 2010, 09:29:00 AM
Im sure you can get a private label ball with that cover and any core you want you just need to order 500 of them!
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Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: tekneek on November 15, 2010, 09:31:57 AM
have you looked at the Shred-it yet? granted not the same ball, but F-73 hybrid cover with a core having similar numbers at a cost saving compared to a S-75. I definitly plan on getting one !!!
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Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on November 15, 2010, 09:45:42 AM
Don't forget that S75 had the Soaker additive in the cover as well...reason #128 that a derivative of that cover or the additive should be used a LOT more.
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Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: tdub36tjt on November 15, 2010, 01:57:56 PM
Yeah I think the "soaker" additive is what did it. Cause even the Bank at S73 or the Bounty Hunter at S79 aren't as strong of as the Break s75 in my opinion. And if I am correct the S75 was a hybrid cover. Would be crazy to see what that cover on the Bank core would do.  

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Don't forget that S75 had the Soaker additive in the cover as well...reason #128 that a derivative of that cover or the additive should be used a LOT more.
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Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: tekneek on November 18, 2010, 09:09:35 AM
As popular as is has become since it being disco'ed I'd vote for a re-make a small run of 250-300 balls similar to the Break Out to test the waters for a come back. Hell-o Eric and Nick are you getting this????
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Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: rene- on November 18, 2010, 04:53:53 PM
i am for a re-make too
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Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: 102101 on November 18, 2010, 06:10:27 PM
Count me in for one maybe two since mine has been hijacked by my Granddaughter.
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Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: T_Bone on November 26, 2010, 05:06:17 PM
I am another one interested in a remake. My S75 is still in my bag today.
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Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: tekneek on November 26, 2010, 05:49:45 PM
would be a pleasant surprise if they would bring it back, even a small run of a couple hundred just to test the waters.
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Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: Moose Nugget on November 26, 2010, 10:57:54 PM
Count me IN!!!
Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: racincowboy3 on November 26, 2010, 11:01:46 PM
Was too late to the 900 global party to get in on the break s75.  I would be in!
Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: 025900 on November 27, 2010, 02:38:13 PM
I would love it.  S75 my first 900G ball.  It hits like an exploding dump truck.  I now have in the bag.

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Break Point Pearl
Break Out
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Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: cappy718 on December 23, 2010, 02:00:13 PM
S75 is still my strongest ball.  Of course I hate that i got it in a 14lb and that the fingers are cracking to hell.  Plus got it drilled with pin down...prefer pin up.  Oh well!  Still would be interested if they brought that coverstock back on something!  
Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: BWDavy on December 23, 2010, 09:11:18 PM
I've just gone down from 16lb to 15lb and am looking desperately for a 15lb S75.  Haven't been able to find one in Australia unfortunately, so I am hoping for a remake a la the Break Out.

Pretty please Phil? Eric? Someone? Anyone???????
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Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: BWDavy on December 23, 2010, 09:11:18 PM
Double Post..
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Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: tdub36tjt on February 07, 2011, 07:31:35 AM
Still wishing!!! Any input Eric or Nick?? Just wondering if it is something that might make a comeback or if that same cover has been used on another core. I noticed the Mega Recovery has an F75 rating....Is this the same cover by any chance?

Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: Hoselrockets on February 07, 2011, 07:41:04 AM
I know I can get my hands on a NIB 15lb S75...hmmm maybe I should pick it up?


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Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: tekneek on February 07, 2011, 07:51:20 AM
WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR, PULL THE TRIGGER !!!!


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Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: Gunny on February 07, 2011, 08:56:06 AM
OH SNAP!   You better snatch that up fast!
 
Hoselrockets wrote on 2/7/2011 8:41 AM:
I know I can get my hands on a NIB 15lb S75...hmmm maybe I should pick it up?


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Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: srlunatic on February 07, 2011, 04:11:26 PM
I just purchased a NIB S75...:-)  Can't wait to punch it up!!!


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Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: tdub36tjt on February 07, 2011, 06:11:29 PM
I was talking to Mo Pinel about "super covers" and he said he has done a lot of research in the way of coverstock strength and that the s75 cover is one of the few "super covers"available and that it is indeed the strongest cover in the 900G lineup. Whether anyone chooses to believe his research is up to them but just surprised that several other covers in their lineup have been given higher ratings. But for me those I have thrown all had less "hook".

Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: cappy718 on February 08, 2011, 07:48:55 PM

 I'm jealous!!!  LOL
srlunatic wrote on 2/7/2011 5:11 PM:
I just purchased a NIB S75...:-)  Can't wait to punch it up!!!


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Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: mainzer on February 16, 2011, 11:35:52 PM
 I here u guys talking about finding a remade s75 I would suggest a overseas Integral Break I have one I am planning on drilling for myself. When I checked numbers it was very similar too the s75. Just an idea.

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Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: charlest on February 17, 2011, 07:26:37 AM
Now that Phil has left 900Global, are they even authorized to make a soaker coverstock?
Do they know the secret or does Phil have to authorize them to do this? and if he has to do that, will he?
 
Maybe one of your guys with an "in" at 900G should ask them in private about this??
 


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Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: tekneek on February 17, 2011, 07:48:40 AM
I'm sure they know what it is, hasn't been used domestically since the S-75, but has been used in International releases according to Nick S


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Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: EL on February 17, 2011, 08:09:08 AM
I agree the Break S75 is one of the best 900 Global ball I have ever bowled with. That is why I still have a new one saved for a rainy day


Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: qstick777 on February 17, 2011, 08:10:52 AM
Interesting.  What numbers?  The R.G., diff, and mid diff, or actual coverstock ratings?
 
Tekneek has the Integral Break Pearl listed on ebay, and it's listed as having the S70 cover.
 
Even so, as far as I know, the rating system is only a guideline to rate the aggressiveness, so S70 (on the Integral Break, or even the Profit) doesn't even mean it is the same cover as the original Break, or Break Pearl.
 
S75 doesn't tell us anything other than it should be more aggressive than the S70 or even the S73 of the Bank.  And even then, it really doesn't mean much because as 900Global (and AMF) like to point out - "
Core dynamics must be taken into account with shell strength when selecting equipment."
 
None of us would have known that the Break S75 was a "soaker" unless they came out and told us.  The only clue is from the description "The Break S75 shell is more aggressive, featuring a new absorbent  coverstock technology designed to move oil rapidly away from the  surface, enhancing an already high friction coverstock."
 
They can't use "soaker" because they don't own the rights to that name......which really surprises me that they didn't attempt to create a new trademark/copyright name for the cover and/or technology.
 
As stated before, "soaker" is considered a "super cover" with the benefit that it seems to get stronger with use - the opposite of most oil absorbing covers.
mainzer wrote on 2/17/2011 0:35 AM: I here u guys talking about finding a remade s75 I would suggest a overseas Integral Break I have one I am planning on drilling for myself. When I checked numbers it was very similar too the s75. Just an idea.

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Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: tekneek on February 17, 2011, 09:26:34 AM
Soaker is an additive not a cover, never patented, trademarked, unless it has been done recently, I assume it can not be done since it is possibly a chemical compound, ISO, or another unnamed "ingredient". My info came from the D/T era, was told it was an additive and its cost was not condusive to be used in anything but high end equipment meaning expensive ingredient !!! Does Ebo own the rights to the "Soaker" as a marketing feature, can't answer that one, I suppose they might, do they own the ingredient, no a chemical manufacturer made it so they own it possibly BASF, Bayer, Dupont can't answer that one either.


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Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: mainzer on February 17, 2011, 11:28:23 AM
http://www.dqa.co.jp/bowler/ball/intgrlbrk_blk.html

 

This is the link I was given I have the red one at the shop the site claims it is a S75 cover.

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Edited by mainzer on 2/17/2011 at 12:29 PM
Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: OddBalls on February 17, 2011, 11:43:09 AM
Mines in the garden with a crack all the way around the ball..


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Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: qstick777 on February 17, 2011, 11:56:22 AM
Yes, an additive.  I wasn't referring to the technology of "soaker," strictly the name.  I tried to find the old threads about this discussion, but haven't been able to.  Seems that some stuff disappeared after the upgrade, possibly having to do with threads from people that are no longer users....so maybe that is why I can't find them.
 
Anyways, what was basically said (I believe by Phil) was that Ebonite now owned the name "Soaker," so it couldn't be used.....same thing with "SuperFlex."  Now, if you know what to order, you can call up BASF and order "SuperFlex," you just can't call it "SuperFlex."  Same thing with "Soaker."  If you know what chemicals and amounts to order you can have it made......or buy it and mix it in house. 
 
It was likened to the formula for Coca-Cola or the Colonel's blend of spices.  You don't want to patent it because then you have to publish the ingredients and way to make it.  Better to keep it a secret, to which Phil said he still had the "recipe" and we would see it again......and we did.
 
I guess my point was, I'm surprised that 900Global didn't trademark/copyright a name for the S75 cover.....maybe something like "Absorbz" or "Spongz" or something like that.  I'm guessing it had something to do with staying consistent with the cover naming scheme (all numbers) instead of coming up with stuff like "Activator," "Traxion Reactive," "GB," and so on.
 
As it stands now,  we don't know if any release has the special "additive" unless they tell us.
 
Now whether Phil is the ONLY person that knows how to make "soaker,"  that is a different story.
tekneek wrote on 2/17/2011 10:26 AM:
Soaker is an additive not a cover, never patented, trademarked, unless it has been done recently, I assume it can not be done since it is possibly a chemical compound, ISO, or another unnamed "ingredient". My info came from the D/T era, was told it was an additive and its cost was not condusive to be used in anything but high end equipment meaning expensive ingredient !!! Does Ebo own the rights to the "Soaker" as a marketing feature, can't answer that one, I suppose they might, do they own the ingredient, no a chemical manufacturer made it so they own it possibly BASF, Bayer, Dupont can't answer that one either.


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Title: Re: s75 Cover
Post by: charlest on February 17, 2011, 01:37:13 PM
Maybe you guys will have to buy a Radical ball to get the Soaker coverstock??
 
Phil posted this over on the Radical topic in the OTHER company forum:
Posted on 2/17/2011 at 12:35 PM

Thanks  for the support guys, I'm sure we will have some fun with the new  stuff. I'm also sure some "soaker" will reappear. First ball will be out  soon. Asym. .020 mid diff. Pearl. Details to follow.....Going Radical"


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