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Equipment Boards => 900 Global => Topic started by: rickc0123 on September 20, 2014, 09:05:38 PM
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This is my review of the MOXIE by 900Global by Rick Carroll
We drilled the MOXIE 4 x 4 with 2 inch buffer and left it factory 4000 was looking for a piece of equipment for heavier lane conditions and will have to say that this ball is exactly what I was looking for. This ball has a very heavy roll and reads the oil very well and still saves a lot of energy for the back end. This ball used on a fresh house shot where I bowl league and this house has a lot of oil on the front part of the lane all the way across and when drilled it up was amazed by the way it cut through the front part of the lane and read the oil. I started by trying to play 15 to the gutter but the ball picked up in the front and started to read and took out the 4-7 on the left so then moved 15 more right with my feet and played 25 and tried to get the ball down lane and to around 5 again the ball picked up the fronts very well again and hit the 2 pin square. Then I moved to 40 with my feet and looked way down lane and tried to play 30 at the arrows and hope had enough push to keep it going to the right and again ball read the lane again and went Brooklyn. I am a right handed bowler with average ball speed around 17 to 18 mph and this ball amazed my with the way it read the lane and had so much continuation down lane....
So if you are looking for the piece of equipment for heavier conditions or a bowler with lower rev rate and needs the ball to read for you and get that extra pop at the pins then this is the ball for you!!!!!!!! I have not polished it up and tried it. I have to go out of town this week for work and will not be able to test until I return but will inform everyone of how it rolls with 1000 polished. I think with the 1000 polished it will give you that down lane that you may be looking for with a back end punch that will amaze you and everyone around you but will update as soon as possible.
Thanks
Rick Carroll
900 Global Staff Member
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This is downright insulting. How in the world can you say:
"I bowl league and this house has a lot of oil on the front part of the lane all the way across and when drilled it up was amazed by the way it cut through the front part of the lane and read the oil. I started by trying to play 15 to the gutter but the ball picked up in the front and started to read and took out the 4-7 on the left so then moved 15 more right with my feet and played 25 and tried to get the ball down lane and to around 5 again the ball picked up the fronts very well again and hit the 2 pin square. Then I moved to 40 with my feet and looked way down lane and tried to play 30 at the arrows and hope had enough push to keep it going to the right and again ball read the lane again and went Brooklyn."
This is either the strongest ball ever made or you don't know what real volume is. I think its the latter rather than the former.
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I agree with Northface. I've seen quite a few bad reviews by staff members on here...but damn, this one might take the cake. I hope Thomas or someone from 900 Global sees this and feels embarrassed by it. It is past the point of unrealistic. You can't tell me you threw the ball 17-18 mph on a fresh shot and took out the 4-7 playing from 15 to the gutter
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I take every review with caution. What on person sees may not be what the other sees. Best way to nullify questions is to just post a video.
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I don't generally throw stones, but this review is pretty unrealistic. Perhaps( as stated above) the OP hasn't bowled on a true heavily oiled condition.
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As a person that throws a lot of Global equipment, I also agree that the condition he was throwing on was probably not a heavy shot. But in any case all vids of this ball on youtube look fantastic. Ball pushes nicely passed the heads and has a very strong movement on the back. This ball seems to have a lot more backend than prior releases. ( Train, Incinerate, Darkness).
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As a person that throws a lot of Global equipment, I also agree that the condition he was throwing on was probably not a heavy shot. But in any case all vids of this ball on youtube look fantastic. Ball pushes nicely passed the heads and has a very strong movement on the back. This ball seems to have a lot more backend than prior releases. ( Train, Incinerate, Darkness).
Per TJ, this will be longer than the Incinerate due to no particle load, and in the videos, is very strong off of the spot. Maybe there was a problem with the oiler when Rick threw it? Rick, did you compare it to anything else?
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As a person that throws a lot of Global equipment, I also agree that the condition he was throwing on was probably not a heavy shot. But in any case all vids of this ball on youtube look fantastic. Ball pushes nicely passed the heads and has a very strong movement on the back. This ball seems to have a lot more backend than prior releases. ( Train, Incinerate, Darkness).
I agree the ball looks really good. I watched the Bowler's deals, and 900 Global vids, and both looked impressive. I just think that several of the staff reviews (not 900 Global reviews only) are kind of unbelievable. I would just like to see an honest opinion of a ball's capabilities, and not just another "this ball is great on every condition, carries every shot, and will provide you with sexual gratification!"
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As a person that throws a lot of Global equipment, I also agree that the condition he was throwing on was probably not a heavy shot. But in any case all vids of this ball on youtube look fantastic. Ball pushes nicely passed the heads and has a very strong movement on the back. This ball seems to have a lot more backend than prior releases. ( Train, Incinerate, Darkness).
I agree the ball looks really good. I watched the Bowler's deals, and 900 Global vids, and both looked impressive. I just think that several of the staff reviews (not 900 Global reviews only) are kind of unbelievable. I would just like to see an honest opinion of a ball's capabilities, and not just another "this ball is great on every condition, carries every shot, and will provide you with sexual gratification!"
The only way you'll get an honest opinion is when the next new ball comes out. Don't believe me, go look at any ball review. It usually goes like this, "I loved (insert previous ball here) but it had a tendency to do (fill in the blank ), the (newest ball) doesn't do that, everyone should have one in their bag". Yep, that sounds about right.
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To be fair... Almost every staff review is like that.
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To be fair... Almost every staff review is like that.
And isn't that a part of their job. Promote the product that their company is putting out. Can't hate the person for doing their job...
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To be fair... Almost every staff review is like that.
And isn't that a part of their job. Promote the product that their company is putting out. Can't hate the person for doing their job...
I am not disagreeing with you, however, you can promote a product while giving an honest review of it's capabilities. There are staffers like Riggs and a few others who do just that.
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To be fair... Almost every staff review is like that.
And isn't that a part of their job. Promote the product that their company is putting out. Can't hate the person for doing their job...
I am not disagreeing with you, however, you can promote a product while giving an honest review of it's capabilities. There are staffers like Riggs and a few others who do just that.
This, Riggs, on many occasions has said he hasn't matched up with a particular ball. He doesn't engage in the unnecessary pandering.
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Riggs and Plowboy are the 2 main ones that come to mind for me. They will tell you what they experienced and if they didn't have a good experience with a certain ball they will say it and say they had better success with a different ball that was similar.
They don't sugarcoat anything and I'm sure most if not all of us have had a very positive experience from things they have posted
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I am replying back to the comments I have been reading I said I was throwing it on our typical house shot with fresh oil did not mention Heavier volume of oil was stating in my review if wanting to use this piece of equipment would need to make sure you are on a heavier volumed condition because to me on my typical house shot the ball was was to aggressive for this type of condition, I was trying to get my opinion out to suggest this may not be the ball for typical house shot because of being way too strong since my review I have thrown it on the Shark, Bear, and Badger and with that heavier volume was able to get the ball to pick up early and still get to drive through the pins. and did not have to go extreme left with my feet or my target. I was just stating that this ball for a Typical house shot would need to be polished and not drilled as strong.Also this may be the best suitable ball for low rev rated player for a ths that will need help from the ball to read the lanes.
I am sorry if the review came out the way it did I apologize for the the way the review came out never meant for it to be that way. Hopefully this will explain my point better.
Thanks
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I would have to agree. I used the Moxie at OOB in Wichita this past weekend on a sport pattern and the ball rolled great. Added a little polish to it for THS shot and the ball just seems to roll to heavy. Going to try a 2000 pad and then polish to see if i can get a better reaction. Ball is drilled pin down, so might just get another one and go with a pin up weaker drilling for THS shots.
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I used the Moxie today on the Kegal's 43' Dead Man's Curve with success. Ball is drilled (pin up) 70*x5"x40*. The ball easily made it through the heads and read the midlane very well and had a very predictable move on the backends. For me, its definitely not a ball I would be able to use or see many games on a THS as it is too aggressive midlane. It rolls very nice and works fantastic with some oil. As the lanes transitioned, I switched to the Dream and was able to play generally the same line. For a THS, I feel there are better choices in the fall line from 900 Global and AMF. This ball so far is a winner on heavier volume shots and sport conditions. Just my 2 cents and sorry if I hijacked the original post.
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Rick,
Your favorites for a top Hat Shot in the AMF/900 Global line?....now that we've discussed the Moxie and a top hat...
Thanks......
Regards,
Luckylefty
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LuckyLefty I would go with the Respect for a top hat if you want a sharp backend reaction. If you want something smooth for the top hat then the Breakdown as it has a nice smooth roll and not uncontrollable
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Chris,
Thank you for the comments. How does the Grip/it fit into a Top Hat discussion?
Regards,
Luckylefty
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IMO, not having thrown my Moxie, Grip It is going to be weaker and smoother. My Grip it was laid out 2.75x70 with a low hole, and it was almost too smooth. Should have laid it out with a pin placement that would get it down the lane.
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Doom,
Thanks for the comments on the grip it. Any others?
I saw this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=694w9Qd0Uzo
I've drilled a higher RG solid symmetric ball pin up and it struggles in the first game on wetter but then is quite good later or slightly drier top hats.
I'm wondering how this much lower RG will handle a wetter top hat. Pin up like video above or Pin down like the second bowler? Hmmmm?
Regards,
Luckylefty
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It all depends on pin to pap, but just my opinion, I would go pin up, just to make sure you can get in with it. I thought I would like the layout, but I did not on that ball. Too bad, because the ball hits like a runaway train.
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Any others with comments on the Grip It as a strong side to side top hat THS killer?
Regards,
Luckylefty
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TTT
900 globalars and more comments on Grip It.
Regards,
Luckylefty
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Go for it if you can pick one up. Great ball for multiple conditions. Never found a shot I couldn't strike with it. It was one of those balls that were stronger than advertised. I had to add polish on it to get it a touch more length. Other than that, great ball.