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The Science Behind the Adaptor Core Technology
« on: June 05, 2016, 10:02:28 PM »
All,
   Our website contains a link to a pop up .pdf journal article that explains the science and technology behind the Adaptor core featured in our Inception and Truth. Click the link at the bottom of the Inception and Truth web pages. Enjoy!


http://www.900global.com/newglobalshop/?page_id=8440

http://www.900global.com/newglobalshop/?page_id=8461


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Re: The Science Behind the Adaptor Core Technology
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2016, 10:38:04 AM »
Density is directly proportional to mass (and inversely proportional to volume). The statement released by Global is pretty accurate if the ratio of mass v. density of the ball decreases the closer you move towards the shell (with respect to its axis of rotation). This determines the core's moment of inertia and ultimately, the core's
Rg range. In my opinion, if I had to choose only one set of numbers (RG, Diff, intermed-diff) in choosing a core design, it would be Rg--hands down. It tells me more about a core's overall dynamics than the other numbers combined (but they too, are important, but not as important as RG).
 
The physics describing rotational motion and its components is quite complex. As a physics major, this is a subject that in my experience, created the most headaches
for a lot of students.  Global, in my opinion, made a great attempt at trying "simplify"  the key concepts involved in deriving their new core.


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Re: The Science Behind the Adaptor Core Technology
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2016, 11:53:04 AM »
Density is directly proportional to mass (and inversely proportional to volume). The statement released by Global is pretty accurate if the ratio of mass v. density of the ball decreases the closer you move towards the shell (with respect to its axis of rotation). This determines the core's moment of inertia and ultimately, the core's
Rg range. In my opinion, if I had to choose only one set of numbers (RG, Diff, intermed-diff) in choosing a core design, it would be Rg--hands down. It tells me more about a core's overall dynamics than the other numbers combined (but they too, are important, but not as important as RG).
 
The physics describing rotational motion and its components is quite complex. As a physics major, this is a subject that in my experience, created the most headaches
for a lot of students.  Global, in my opinion, made a great attempt at trying "simplify"  the key concepts involved in deriving their new core.

The problem with the statement, "if you increase the density of the core, the ball revs up quicker" is that you're comparing apples and oranges.

As you increase the density of the core, the moment of inertia increases, and the Radius of Gyration most likely decreases.

Torque = moment of inertia multiplied by angular acceleration.

For a fixed amount of torque, as moment of inertia is increased, angular acceleration is decreased.

A 16 lb ball with a 2.50 RG will require more torque to accelerate the rev rate, than a 15 lb ball with the same 2.50 RG.

The RG value itself is not a factor in how much torque is required to rev up the ball.

What is missing in the statement is that to maintain the same overall mass, as the density of the core is increased, somewhere else farther from the axis must see a decrease in density.

That decrease in density is was lowers the moment of inertia by a larger amount than the increased density raised the moment of inertia, resulting in an increase in angular acceleration for a given torque.

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Re: The Science Behind the Adaptor Core Technology
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2016, 12:28:41 PM »
In my opinion, if I had to choose only one set of numbers (RG, Diff, intermed-diff) in choosing a core design, it would be Rg--hands down. It tells me more about a core's overall dynamics than the other numbers combined (but they too, are important, but not as important as RG).

Watch out if your talking about the undrilled balls RG, That can cause a big argument! Don't fall into that quagmire.
It happened over on another forum,

Because:

The USBC Ball carry study say's surface and coverstock means more so RG means little to nothing

only the RG of the bowlers pap matters.

we don't roll undrilled balls so the undrilled numbers don't mean anything

when you drill a ball those undrilled numbers change so are meaningless

A Blueprint simulation shows undrilled RG doesn't really matter.

And if you think RG matters then you don't know anything about modern ball motion and that you and 99% of the ball Mfg. Ball reps. PBA players, PSO's don't either and are still using outdated information.

and if you want cutting edge technology see Radical, if they & Mo didn't invent it, they improved it and made it work right. ;)


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Re: The Science Behind the Adaptor Core Technology
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2016, 12:43:56 PM »
In my opinion, if I had to choose only one set of numbers (RG, Diff, intermed-diff) in choosing a core design, it would be Rg--hands down. It tells me more about a core's overall dynamics than the other numbers combined (but they too, are important, but not as important as RG).

Watch out if your talking about the undrilled balls RG, That can cause a big argument! Don't fall into that quagmire.
It happened over on another forum,

Because:

The USBC Ball carry study say's surface and coverstock means more so RG means little to nothing

only the RG of the bowlers pap matters.

we don't roll undrilled balls so the undrilled numbers don't mean anything

when you drill a ball those undrilled numbers change so are meaningless

A Blueprint simulation shows undrilled RG doesn't really matter.

And if you think RG matters then you don't know anything about modern ball motion and that you and 99% of the ball Mfg. Ball reps. PBA players, PSO's don't either and are still using outdated information.

and if you want cutting edge technology see Radical, if they & Mo didn't invent it, they improved it and made it work right. ;)


woops too late


The USBC ball motion study is a joke.

The first paragraph talks about how scoring is threatening the integrity of the sport due to all of the high scores.

Then they turn around and use an oil pattern that is 53' and flat.

That isn't the kind of oil pattern being used to create all of those integrity threatening high scores.

The result of the study was to tell you what balls did on a condition that nobody uses.

Do the study on a THS, and you will find the ball follows a significantly different path, and the of the ball with contribute towards ball motion in different proportions than found in the study.

USBC clearly has no intention of solving the integrity problem, because in doing so, they risk the wrath of the BPAA.

Proprietors want happy bowlers, and the mass of bowlers seem to want easy oil patterns.

USBC should grow a backbone and relegate all bowling on a THS to a recreational division where there is no recognition based on scores.


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Re: The Science Behind the Adaptor Core Technology
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2016, 12:58:33 PM »
Interesting to see Hammer use a symmetrical core in their high performance ball for a few releases now. Curious how many other brands will follow.

More user friendly, and more driller friendly…… smart thinking.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: The Science Behind the Adaptor Core Technology
« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2016, 02:09:32 PM »


The USBC ball motion study is a joke.

The first paragraph talks about how scoring is threatening the integrity of the sport due to all of the high scores.

Then they turn around and use an oil pattern that is 53' and flat.

That isn't the kind of oil pattern being used to create all of those integrity threatening high scores.

The result of the study was to tell you what balls did on a condition that nobody uses.

Do the study on a THS, and you will find the ball follows a significantly different path, and the of the ball with contribute towards ball motion in different proportions than found in the study.

USBC clearly has no intention of solving the integrity problem, because in doing so, they risk the wrath of the BPAA.

Proprietors want happy bowlers, and the mass of bowlers seem to want easy oil patterns.

USBC should grow a backbone and relegate all bowling on a THS to a recreational division where there is no recognition based on scores.



The ball motion study was conducted with Harry the throwbot. The ease or difficulty of the lane pattern with left to right ratios was totally irrelevant. The throwbot repeated every shot identically, as to have a control factor.

Besides, short lane patterns will help guide a balls path. The objective of the study was to determine what factors most in the bowling balls motion as it pertains to the bowling ball, not an oil patterns effect on ball motion.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2016, 02:15:35 PM by tommygn »
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Re: The Science Behind the Adaptor Core Technology
« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2016, 02:36:07 PM »
Interesting to see Hammer use a symmetrical core in their high performance ball for a few releases now. Curious how many other brands will follow.

More user friendly, and more driller friendly…… smart thinking.

I like it. I've always gotten more use out of symmetric cores, however, it's hard to beat an asymmetric when you're locked in. (Not a Storm pun)

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Re: The Science Behind the Adaptor Core Technology
« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2016, 03:05:09 PM »
Interesting to see Hammer use a symmetrical core in their high performance ball for a few releases now. Curious how many other brands will follow.

More user friendly, and more driller friendly…… smart thinking.

I like it. I've always gotten more use out of symmetric cores, however, it's hard to beat an asymmetric when you're locked in. (Not a Storm pun)

I'm having lackluster success with assyms especially newer ones lately.

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Re: The Science Behind the Adaptor Core Technology
« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2016, 03:28:15 PM »
I typically prefer symmetrical equipment on sport patterns and asymmetrical equipment on THS patterns. 
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Re: The Science Behind the Adaptor Core Technology
« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2016, 03:52:15 PM »
In my opinion, if I had to choose only one set of numbers (RG, Diff, intermed-diff) in choosing a core design, it would be Rg--hands down. It tells me more about a core's overall dynamics than the other numbers combined (but they too, are important, but not as important as RG).

Watch out if your talking about the undrilled balls RG, That can cause a big argument! Don't fall into that quagmire.
It happened over on another forum,

Because:

The USBC Ball carry study say's surface and coverstock means more so RG means little to nothing

only the RG of the bowlers pap matters.

we don't roll undrilled balls so the undrilled numbers don't mean anything

when you drill a ball those undrilled numbers change so are meaningless

A Blueprint simulation shows undrilled RG doesn't really matter.

And if you think RG matters then you don't know anything about modern ball motion and that you and 99% of the ball Mfg. Ball reps. PBA players, PSO's don't either and are still using outdated information.

and if you want cutting edge technology see Radical, if they & Mo didn't invent it, they improved it and made it work right. ;)


woops too late


The USBC ball motion study is a joke.

The first paragraph talks about how scoring is threatening the integrity of the sport due to all of the high scores.

Then they turn around and use an oil pattern that is 53' and flat.

That isn't the kind of oil pattern being used to create all of those integrity threatening high scores.

The result of the study was to tell you what balls did on a condition that nobody uses.

Do the study on a THS, and you will find the ball follows a significantly different path, and the of the ball with contribute towards ball motion in different proportions than found in the study.

USBC clearly has no intention of solving the integrity problem, because in doing so, they risk the wrath of the BPAA.

Proprietors want happy bowlers, and the mass of bowlers seem to want easy oil patterns.

USBC should grow a backbone and relegate all bowling on a THS to a recreational division where there is no recognition based on scores.


USBC shouldnt relegate bowling on THS where there is no recognition. Most bowlers these days just bowl leagues and use it as a night out. I understand scores are higher but for the majority of league bowlers, they wont see an honor score in their careers so the honor score thing is mute. Even with them limiting 1 honor score per lifetime i guess isnt good enough for some people.

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Re: The Science Behind the Adaptor Core Technology
« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2016, 04:08:31 PM »
Interesting to see Hammer use a symmetrical core in their high performance ball for a few releases now. Curious how many other brands will follow.

More user friendly, and more driller friendly…… smart thinking.

I like it. I've always gotten more use out of symmetric cores, however, it's hard to beat an asymmetric when you're locked in. (Not a Storm pun)

It's hard to beat any ball when you're locked in. The pins don't know the difference…… maybe something to that
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: The Science Behind the Adaptor Core Technology
« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2016, 09:12:46 PM »
 I've always been a science geek, but all this technology is starting to lose even people like me.

 Bowling is supposed to be fun, not a science lesson. Most people actually buying a new ball are going to be getting beginner level plastic, or something very basic like a Cyclone or the new Rhino. 99% of bowlers wont care about all this tech, and less than half of the 1% that that will care will be able to understand what it even means.

 At some point, it all starts to sound like "blah blah blah, blahblahblah blah, blah blah", and loses the effect that the manufacturer hoped to have.

 900Global may have created something nobody else has, but it may have also created something nobody else cares about either.

Balls became far too powerful over a decade ago. The largest segment of the market, the recreational sector, has very little interest in highly technologically advanced bowling balls, so I wonder what is the big driving force behind the technology that only a small handfull of people who bowl would even care about in the first place.
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Re: The Science Behind the Adaptor Core Technology
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2016, 11:30:07 PM »
The technology hasn't change. If you accept that the rest gets even easier. The technology behind the scenes is always there, more information is made available in a way to try and win bowlers to their products. Sales gimmick.

All cores must fit in the specs of USBC guidelines. This means no matter the shape the ball core is limited to those guidelines.

Notice how many bowling cores, symmetric and asymmetric,  look like look like previous cores that have been recycled for years?  It's not magic
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Re: The Science Behind the Adaptor Core Technology
« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2016, 08:26:43 AM »

And if you think RG matters then you don't know anything about modern ball motion and that you and 99% of the ball Mfg. Ball reps. PBA players, PSO's don't either and are still using outdated information.


So how often do you compete on tour, or on conditions beyond THS (that are designed to make most bowling balls seem similar)?

 If you competed at some of the highest levels, you would know that ball motion as it pertains to the core, becomes a factor, when bowling on more demanding conditions, and just "adjusting the cover stock" isn't always the answer.

House conditions are designed to give the widest variation of players, releases, and equipment a fair shot at hitting the pocket and striking. Ball science becomes marginalized. When on tour, it becomes MUCH more important.
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Re: The Science Behind the Adaptor Core Technology
« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2016, 09:29:21 AM »
People can believe what they want to believe, it's America, and in this country, you are supposed to have that right. But what people tend to forget, is whether you decide to pay any credence to the ball motion study or not, the cover stock surface grit, and cover stock composition makes up about roughly 70%-75% of ball motion. That still leaves, 25%-30% of factors that will dictate ball motion. That's still a lot, in it's totality. Of those remaining factors, Rg was said to have the highest percentage of the remaining factors. Take it for what you will. the USBC had no dog in the fight, when conducting the ball motion study. They weren't going to win or loose anything. The idea and intent was to purely provide information, and have some basis for why a bowling ball does what it does. People can believe the study or not, it's their prerogative.

It's really simple. Don't you think that a ball company would make a whole lot more money if they just stuck pancake weight blocks in balls with different cover materials??? No need for an R&D department other than to come up with different cover formulas, which could be outsourced easily, no need for the expense of marketing, no need to pay people to sell their product. The ball companies could run at a considerably lower over head rate, and MAKE MORE MONEY. But reality says, just throwing a pancake weight block in a ball, isn't going to strike as much as what these creative cores, that dictate ball motion can.

You can take Storm's NRG cover, and wrap it around a pancake weight block with high Rg and low differential, and it just isn't going to perform the way the Marvel S or Virtual Gravity Nano performs.
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