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Equipment Boards => 900 Global => Topic started by: Track900 on January 02, 2015, 08:15:51 AM
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I know the Moxie was produced by Storm, I'm just curious what other 900 Global balls were also included since Storm purchased them in February 2014. Thanks
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Currently, Dream, Dream On, Moxie, and Respect, AFAIK.
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Any AMF being made there, or just Global??
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I think its a safe bet saying any tri color balls. Which are dooms reply.
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No AMF. How you know is if they are using the S/F coverstock naming scheme, or not.
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The Dream On really has my attention. May have to try one of those
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And the Break Down with that core and Storm coverstock will have to be soo good
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Break Down does not use a Storm cover.
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Ok, I don't understand 900 Global then. So some of their equipment will be produced by Storm but others won't?? The Respect and Break Down are being being released at the same time
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Track900,
It's using the S70 cover from the long line of awesome Break series balls. Those were all poured in SA, not Utah. I believe their HP releases are the only ones being poured in Utah.
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If they just do it for the Break series to keep the similar ball shape characteristics then I understand that. but if they bounce back and forth between 2 different manufacturers, I think it would make it tough for a consumer to build an arsenal around their brand.
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If they just do it for the Break series to keep the similar ball shape characteristics then I understand that. but if they bounce back and forth between 2 different manufacturers, I think it would make it tough for a consumer to build an arsenal around their brand.
Not necessarily. You have a following for Global that will buy the Breakdown because they have the previous releases and are looking for something to go to when they breakdown, pardon the pun. Add that to the fact that they do pour some storm releases so it wouldnt be hard to build an arsenal at all.
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They're sharing factories. Storm has tri color capabilities, so those 4 get made there. When I visited the SA factory in 06, they were pouring Tropical Storms. No big deal.
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I'm just saying that as long as an entire line is produced in one factory, then it won't be to much of an issue, but if they start pouring similar cores in their product line in 2 different factories then you will see a big difference in the shape characteristic of the line.
Storm has outsourced their lowest line reactive and plastic balls, so that the Utah plant can attempt to keep up with demand of their mid to high end balls.
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Not trying to hijack the thread but Was the berserk poured in SA?
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If they just do it for the Break series to keep the similar ball shape characteristics then I understand that. but if they bounce back and forth between 2 different manufacturers, I think it would make it tough for a consumer to build an arsenal around their brand.
I could not disagree more. Any bowler can build a not just decent but very good arsenal by choosing each ball from a completely different manufacturer. It does' t matter what the brand engraved on the ball is or where it was made. Most companies provide every ball shape a bowler will ever need. Of course, Genesis, Blend 10, and maybe one or two others have limited choices, but not the majors.
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Milorafferty, you are very correct that you can build the greatest arsenal from different manufacturers, but some people get a brand they have success with, and within that brand there may be a particular line that they match up great with. Let's say for instance the IQ tour line with storm. You can purchase those 3 balls and cover most conditions except maybe the extremes. The IQ tour solid is a great ball, but maybe you needed something alittle stronger, then they bring out the IQ tour nano, as a consumer that's a very easy purchase because you know the shape characteristic is going to be very similar to your IQ tour solid but will handle more oil. Now let's say the nano was produced in a different factory, is it going to change the shape enough to give you a completely different shape than you were looking for. Different coverstock formulas change the shape of the ball. I personally think it would be very strange to have a company producing 2 formulas of coverstocks.
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Milorafferty, you are very correct that you can build the greatest arsenal from different manufacturers, but some people get a brand they have success with, and within that brand there may be a particular line that they match up great with. Let's say for instance the IQ tour line with storm. You can purchase those 3 balls and cover most conditions except maybe the extremes. The IQ tour solid is a great ball, but maybe you needed something alittle stronger, then they bring out the IQ tour nano, as a consumer that's a very easy purchase because you know the shape characteristic is going to be very similar to your IQ tour solid but will handle more oil. Now let's say the nano was produced in a different factory, is it going to change the shape enough to give you a completely different shape than you were looking for. Different coverstock formulas change the shape of the ball. I personally think it would be very strange to have a company producing 2 formulas of coverstocks.
Way can't the formula just stay the same? Wonder Bread, Lay's Potato Chips, McDonald's Hamburgers, GM cars are made all over the U.S. and even other countries and you can't tell the difference. Bowling balls are just not that complicated.
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Just ask lane 1, and radical users they have changed facilities. I think their fans enjoyed what Brunswick had to offer more so than San Antonio... As much as I don't want to admit..(being a storm/roto...now 900 too-guy)
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Just ask lane 1, and radical users they have changed facilities. I think their fans enjoyed what Brunswick had to offer more so than San Antonio... As much as I don't want to admit..(being a storm/roto...now 900 too-guy)
True, I like the older Lane #1 stuff that used the Brunswick covers. But I bet that the San Antonio plant could not use them. Same with Radical, better coverstocks available when poured by Brunswick.
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It does matter yes, but it depends. Your both right. Stop arguing haha.
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Party pooper. :)
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Hey I will be the first to say that 2 weeks ago I would have never even opened a Global forum up, but a week ago when I seen the box for a Moxie and realized it was made at a Storm facility, I got intrigued and did some more research to see what else global was offering. Then earlier this week when I had heard Barnes ( my favorite PBA player) was going to Global, I got even more interested in Global products. I'd say a Global ball made by Storm will be in my near future.
Also I'm sure we can all agree that 3G tour ultras are the greatest bowling shoes on the market. They last forever and are the most comfortable. I've worn Tour Ultras since 2004
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I know the Moxie was produced by Storm, I'm just curious what other 900 Global balls were also included since Storm purchased them in February 2014. Thanks
I believe ZERO balls are produced by storm. 900 actually makes storms balls along with other companies. Where is this info coming from? 900/AMF are made in house in San antonio. Storm financed another manufacturing line to make the breeze line.
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Once again... All 3 color bowling balls are being made in Utah. This is fact.
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Global higher end balls will be produced using Storm covers, Global cores. Storms lower end balls will be produced in SA Global covers, storm cores.
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Global higher end balls will be produced using Storm covers, Global cores. Storms lower end balls will be produced in SA Global covers, storm cores.
This is not true. Balls manufactured at either location are made with the same cover stock that was originally designed for the ball. Storm balls manufactured in San Antonio are made with the same shell they were originally developed with.
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Sorry Thomas, didnt mean to be mistaken. Only saying what i heard. Thanks for clarifying though and cant wait to drill up my new 900s.
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Well said TJ. Thanks for keeping this and AMFs forum and its followers in the know on the latest and greatest.
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Man, a lot of misinformation on this thread. My current bag includes Radical equipment made in the 900 Global factory and in the Brunswick factory (Slant, Slant Hybrid and Torrid from 900 Global and Torrid Elite, Yeti, Reax, Reax Version 2, and Reax Version 2 Pearl from Brunswick). All of these balls have a place in the bag and the quality of the San Antonio products is equal that of the Brunswick orbs. In the Phoenix area, 900 Global products have done well. The Breakout, Eagle and subsequent releases have been dominant here: As good as any of the top end balls by the other manufacturers. Look, bowling equipment manufacturing is not a zero sum game. All of the major manufacturers are producing excellent pieces and a bowler may choose to support any one or any combination of the major companies and build excellent, high scoring arsenals. Unless one is under contract to a specific company, 900 Global should be on anyone's list of high quality brands to consider. It'll be good to have them back in the mix on tour and the pairing of 900 Global and Storm will reap benefits to both going forward.
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Man, a lot of misinformation on this thread. My current bag includes Radical equipment made in the 900 Global factory and in the Brunswick factory (Slant, Slant Hybrid and Torrid from 900 Global and Torrid Elite, Yeti, Reax, Reax Version 2, and Reax Version 2 Pearl from Brunswick). All of these balls have a place in the bag and the quality of the San Antonio products is equal that of the Brunswick orbs. In the Phoenix area, 900 Global products have done well. The Breakout, Eagle and subsequent releases have been dominant here: As good as any of the top end balls by the other manufacturers. Look, bowling equipment manufacturing is not a zero sum game. All of the major manufacturers are producing excellent pieces and a bowler may choose to support any one or any combination of the major companies and build excellent, high scoring arsenals. Unless one is under contract to a specific company, 900 Global should be on anyone's list of high quality brands to consider. It'll be good to have them back in the mix on tour and the pairing of 900 Global and Storm will reap benefits to both going forward.
Thanks for the clarification. For some reason I thought that the Torrid Elite was a 900 Global made Radical ball.
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For some reason I thought that the Torrid Elite was a 900 Global made Radical ball.
Gary,
I believe the base Torrid (Heat re-make) was the last Radical ball made in San Antonio.) The new Torrids (Affair, Elite) were made by Brunswick.
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Charlest, as usual, is spot on.
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Charlest is right, I remember newguy talking about it on here!
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MI 2 AZ........nothing against 900 Global, but it's going to take some time for them to be considered one of the top brands in bowling balls, especially since they were missing from the PBA for a while. A large percentage of league bowlers don't even know they exist. The signing of Barnes and the possibility of being on tv are huge steps for them. I really want to try the Dream On, but I got alittle sticker shock on the price.
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The Dream On touts the same price as any high end Asymm.
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Alittle off topic but i am gonna ask anyways.... Why? Because i want to lol... JK
But i got a legit question about the pouring process and Mr. Impending Doom, if you may please chime in... Im sure you prob have some answers for me seeing as you said you got a tour of the plant back in 06. When seen on those shows like how balls are made, or the quick glimpse during the storm commercial for the Invasion, u can see a machine that simply pours the THEN liquid coverstock inside of a mold that has the core already mounted inside of it. So far am i correct? It looks like for the invasion it was purple, blue, and red. My question alies here.....
Why is it that only certain plants are capable to 3color blends??? I understand im obv missing a HUGE piece to the puzzle here, but from what it looks like, its nothing more than a big turkey baister filled with 3colors squirting them into a roumd mold..... Which is why you'll never see two multicolored balls look the same, just like plugging ballls..
Aaaarrgggh. I cant tell u how many ball plugs i literrally could not wait to cut down the next day as when poured, i would NAIL, and i mean like really get the color and swirling PERFECT. Only to see it when it has dried that the two liquids would blend and completely either not swirl like it looked like it was, or become a slight off shade variation.
Sorry for that little tangent there lol.. But two questions..
1. Why cant any plant fill up the pouring press (whatever its called) with however many colors they want?
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2. How come balls poured by 900 always created such a beautiful swooping like swirl pattern to there dual colored balls,(i.e.the break pearl-sexiest ball ive ever owned) whereas AMF which is poured inthesame exact shop often times had a more geometrical harder edged swirling, (i.e. The black mambas is a perfect example of what im trying to put into words.). Although thinking about it, i believe the war eagle had that same look, whereas i had a clutch pearl that had beautiful swirls just like 900's dual colored ones..
Does anyone understand any of this lol. It makes perfect sense in my headyet i cant put into words. Ok last try. Storm balls seem to have the WORST color blending that i can think of... The the crux, the frantic, to hell withat the freakin frantic is the best example.... All the ones ive seen in my shop were almost as defined an adege as that black and gold quantum helix lol. Theyre colors just dont seem to swirl to together... Almost like oil and water. Then lets travel dont south of the order to mexico, and i see the MOST BEAUTIFULLY DUEL COLORED BALLS ON THE MARKET. Hands down.. Brunswick, Radical, and DV8 all have just such tight smooth swirls between colors, and yes most would say who cares thats only aesthetics. Well, no i disagree. You buy a hybrid so youcan get the best of bothe the solid and thehybrid correct? Well what happens if youre a higher tilt player and you drill up a frantic....? However its its one where its almost bad enogh the be labeled and sold as a factory blem... So your 9"track diameter rolls solely on the orange part of the ball? You dont really have a hybrid, you have a true solid coverstock. I know thats Probably rare, but ive seen it happen, and im just curious more than anything. Are they doing this on purpose? Or not?
Thanks for listening lol,
Sean
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My frantic and other low ends aren't blended very well. Its all good though.
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My frantic and other low ends aren't blended very well. Its all good though.
I have a Frantic that's the same way, half orange half green.
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But does any one know Why this happens mostly from certain companys or plants whereas others dont?. Like im sorry storm but i find it way way WAY too much to be that of coincidental.... And just for the record, im not affiliated nor am i against any company. Im one of those that likes to build an arsenal around the best ball to fit my game per whatever specified hole i need to fill...
wow that last line DID NOT sound too good lmfao.... And thats why im going to leave it. But u know what i meant.
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Im looking at filling a hole with that new virus. LMFAO. Ok ok. Sorry guys. Lets get back on track... I meant i will
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Your plug doesn't look good because you aren't taking into consideration the color change that is going to occur from the heat during the curing process and the swirls you see are at the top of the plug dam, not at the surface of the ball. I'd give you another pro shop lesson but I'm 600 miles away now.
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But does any one know Why this happens mostly from certain companys or plants whereas others dont?. Like im sorry storm but i find it way way WAY too much to be that of coincidental.... And just for the record, im not affiliated nor am i against any company. Im one of those that likes to build an arsenal around the best ball to fit my game per whatever specified hole i need to fill...
wow that last line DID NOT sound too good lmfao.... And thats why im going to leave it. But u know what i meant.
They may do it on purpose for some reason we aren't aware of.
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I'm just speculating,but i would have to believe how much they swirl it will affect the reaction. Especially on a hybrid as one color would be the solid cover and the other color the pearl part of the cover making a hybrid. I would suspect When testing they test some that are more swirled and some less to see what gives the best reaction based on what they are looking for...
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Some colors bleed more than others and you will get mud.
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I think its 2 things.
1. The frantic probably rolled better being half n half looking than super mixed.
2. Wasn't storm super behind in making balls and had to push many balls back due to high demand. Less swirling I feel requires a faster production time, no?
All in all their low end stuff is hard to beat!!!
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Balls releases get pushed back because the existing are still selling. No need to spike sales if they haven't dropped off. All the rest is just lying….er…..marketing.
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Oh. Didn't know that. I thought maybe the internet had too many preorders or something.
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But does any one know Why this happens mostly from certain companys or plants whereas others dont?. Like im sorry storm but i find it way way WAY too much to be that of coincidental.... And just for the record, im not affiliated nor am i against any company. Im one of those that likes to build an arsenal around the best ball to fit my game per whatever specified hole i need to fill...
wow that last line DID NOT sound too good lmfao.... And thats why im going to leave it. But u know what i meant.
They may do it on purpose for some reason we aren't aware of.
Ummm. Sir, i was using that as an example.... I appreciate the offer, but i honestly doubt theres anyone in the industry that can do better plug jobs than myself... Perhaps Justin Wi, is the only one that ive seen as creative and spot on with his plugs.... Im not boasting or trying to come back at you, i simply believe that i am so very good at plug work because by nature i was born an artist, and even went to college on a partial scholarship majoring in fine arts.... So i do understand the color wheel better just as good if not better than any other. Sure at first it took time for me to get the hang of it in terms of what colors tend to dry darker/lighter/or with increased/decreased intensities...etc. Some colors tend to bleed more than others. That type of stuff sure i had to learn by trial and error. But i really cannot picture anyone thats seen my plugwork EVER say that theyd be willing to give me a refresher course.
Im sure you were just kidding or trying to help so please dont think i took it as offensive lol.. In fact i always appreciate constructive critisism especially someone willing to invest there own time to make me better. So with that, thank you. And yes indeed you are 100% correct in the beginning, i had to learn and observe the tendencies in which some colors cured differently than others.
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You meatheads were sanding labels off of balls til I showed you that you should be using a bevel knife. So I am going to honestly say you are greatly overestimating your abilities when you think you are as good as anyone in the industry at plugging a ball.
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But does any one know Why this happens mostly from certain companys or plants whereas others dont?. Like im sorry storm but i find it way way WAY too much to be that of coincidental.... And just for the record, im not affiliated nor am i against any company. Im one of those that likes to build an arsenal around the best ball to fit my game per whatever specified hole i need to fill...
wow that last line DID NOT sound too good lmfao.... And thats why im going to leave it. But u know what i meant.
They may do it on purpose for some reason we aren't aware of.
Ummm. Sir, i was using that as an example.... I appreciate the offer, but i honestly doubt theres anyone in the industry that can do better plug jobs than myself... Perhaps Justin Wi, is the only one that ive seen as creative and spot on with his plugs.... Im not boasting or trying to come back at you, i simply believe that i am so very good at plug work because by nature i was born an artist, and even went to college on a partial scholarship majoring in fine arts.... So i do understand the color wheel better just as good if not better than any other. Sure at first it took time for me to get the hang of it in terms of what colors tend to dry darker/lighter/or with increased/decreased intensities...etc. Some colors tend to bleed more than others. That type of stuff sure i had to learn by trial and error. But i really cannot picture anyone thats seen my plugwork EVER say that theyd be willing to give me a refresher course.
Im sure you were just kidding or trying to help so please dont think i took it as offensive lol.. In fact i always appreciate constructive critisism especially someone willing to invest there own time to make me better. So with that, thank you. And yes indeed you are 100% correct in the beginning, i had to learn and observe the tendencies in which some colors cured differently than others.
What the heck are you talking about??