Author Topic: AMF Venom (Read 8320 times)

J_w73 · « **on:** March 18, 2009, 11:14:52 AM »

Does anyone have any info about the AMF Venom? I'm looking for a medium - medium light oil ball that is super smooth. Not jumpy off the dry and not over skidding in oil.
this ball looked like it had good stats from BTM and they also ranked it pretty good for a PBA sport shot. Can't find any videos anywhere..
Other contenders are the Villian or the Heist.. Also what are the 3 different heists that are out there?

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max revs · « **Reply #1 on:** March 18, 2009, 08:20:00 PM »

there's only two heist a solid and pearl, there was some talk of a blue one but its an overseas solid just like the one here. I would take a hard look at the villain I own one and its just smooth and predictable. I love it!! but hey thats just my .02 cents

tekneek · « **Reply #2 on:** March 18, 2009, 10:19:40 PM »

I would not be inclined to believe the Venom is a med to med light oil ball. I have been wrong once in this lifetime. It has Super-flex pearl with particle load if I'm not mistaken. A bit strong for lighter conditions unless a weaker layout is used.
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J_w73 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 18, 2009, 11:53:00 PM »

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I would not be inclined to believe the Venom is a med to med light oil ball. I have been wrong once in this lifetime. It has Super-flex pearl with particle load if I'm not mistaken. A bit strong for lighter conditions unless a weaker layout is used.
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So you think it is for heavy oil.?? From what I have read it says medium oil..
BTM reviews has it as best for medium.. and good for sport shots as well
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Edited on 3/19/2009 1:15 AM

tenpin · « **Reply #4 on:** March 19, 2009, 06:47:49 AM »

The Venom is a great Medium oil ball. The problem would be the light side of the medium oil with this ball. Don't be fooled as this ball is stronger than most people think. I still have mine and have used it alot on the Medium oil but when they start to dry out I have to put it away as it just gets to aggressive. Also this ball has been discontinued for a while now and trying to find one might be pretty tough. I have a Villian on the way now so I really can't say how that one is going to work yet.
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Edited on 3/19/2009 6:49 AM

J_w73 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 19, 2009, 09:44:51 AM »

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The Venom is a great Medium oil ball. The problem would be the light side of the medium oil with this ball. Don't be fooled as this ball is stronger than most people think. I still have mine and have used it alot on the Medium oil but when they start to dry out I have to put it away as it just gets to aggressive. Also this ball has been discontinued for a while now and trying to find one might be pretty tough. I have a Villian on the way now so I really can't say how that one is going to work yet.
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Edited on 3/19/2009 6:49 AM

I was thinking about putting a rico on it to smooth it out and tame any jump on dry.. but that is two people that have said it is more medium heavy than medium light..
Is the Venom a smooth arcing ball though..

Can't find a video anywhere.
maybe the villain is a better choice??

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Edited on 3/19/2009 9:48 AM

directdrill · « **Reply #6 on:** March 19, 2009, 10:08:13 AM »

I don't have the Venom, but I do have the Villain with a Rico layout. The ball is very smooth with this layout, but when I used it with a 2000 Abralon finish, there wasn't enough oil where I bowl league to use this ball with success. As I said, it rolled smooth, but was burning up and I left a lot of 10 pins. I need to adjust the cover some and try some polish.
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Jesse James · « **Reply #7 on:** March 19, 2009, 12:31:14 PM »

I don't know why this is but, a buddy of mine used a venom in league play all year at my toughest-shot house.

And he used it successfully on a light/dryish oil shot!

Because I already knew the core of the Venom, I brought in my Triumph the next week to see if I could play also. My Triumph only lasted the 1st game and a half, before it started burning up.

For some reason (must be the coverstock), he was able to play with his Venom for all three games on a seriously light, light oil shot! Go figure.

Gary Parsons and I were talking about this, and he said it made sense, because a particle pearl cover would seem like urethane on a dryish shot. Just depends on the total load that's in the coverstock.
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J_w73 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 19, 2009, 01:02:10 PM »

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I don't know why this is but, a buddy of mine used a venom in league play all year at my toughest-shot house.

And he used it successfully on a light/dryish oil shot!

Because I already knew the core of the Venom, I brought in my Triumph the next week to see if I could play also. My Triumph only lasted the 1st game and a half, before it started burning up.

For some reason (must be the coverstock), he was able to play with his Venom for all three games on a seriously light, light oil shot! Go figure.

Gary Parsons and I were talking about this, and he said it made sense, because a particle pearl cover would seem like urethane on a dryish shot. Just depends on the total load that's in the coverstock.
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I would agree that the particle pearl cover would work on lighter conditions. I don't think it would hook .. just get smoother..
Is the Venom angular or really smooth.. AMF seems to think the Venom is better for medium heavy and hooks way more than the villian. And that the villain would be better to smooth out wet/dry and spotty conditions... I know the Venom is rated better by BTM for a sport shot.. that is why I thought it would be smooth..
BTM has the two balls about the same hook rating with the Venom with just a bit more backend but a lot less length. I know the ratings are pretty subjective but I have used them to pick my last three balls and it has worked perfectly..
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charlest · « **Reply #9 on:** March 19, 2009, 02:16:10 PM »

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The Venom is a great Medium oil ball. The problem would be the light side of the medium oil with this ball. Don't be fooled as this ball is stronger than most people think. I still have mine and have used it alot on the Medium oil but when they start to dry out I have to put it away as it just gets to aggressive. Also this ball has been discontinued for a while now and trying to find one might be pretty tough. I have a Villian on the way now so I really can't say how that one is going to work yet.
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Derek Trowbridge
900 Global:No oil pattern we can't tame
www.900global.com
www.AMF300.com

Edited on 3/19/2009 6:49 AM

I was thinking about putting a rico on it to smooth it out and tame any jump on dry.. but that is two people that have said it is more medium heavy than medium light..
Is the Venom a smooth arcing ball though.. Can't find a video anywhere.
maybe the villain is a better choice??

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I htin you're missing the point here.
I do not believe the Venom would be for medium-heavy UNBLESS you sanded it rougher. I have had a couple of particle balls that were great for medium oil. They were not great for medium-heavy. When, in a league or a tournament, the midlane dried out, you had to put the particle ball, like the Venom away, because it didn't have enough backend to go deeper nd recover, but it was too early in the mids to save enough energy for backend hitting power.

That does NOT make a medium-heavy oil ball. If you put a Rico drill on it OR rough up the surface, it will handle heavier than medium oil (not sure if it will hanlde true medium-hevay oil), but THEN it won't handle medium oil.

Unless you have higher than average ball speed, the particle just cause the ball to react too early. With the stock polished cover, it will handle medium oil but not much heavier, unless you have a higher rev rate or lighter oil unless you have a higher than average ball speed.

I have seen your other post about what you're looking for. I hate to say it but unless you fall into one of the "unless" categories I mentioned above, I do not believe the Venom will meet your needs/wants.

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J_w73 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 19, 2009, 02:28:28 PM »

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The Venom is a great Medium oil ball. The problem would be the light side of the medium oil with this ball. Don't be fooled as this ball is stronger than most people think. I still have mine and have used it alot on the Medium oil but when they start to dry out I have to put it away as it just gets to aggressive. Also this ball has been discontinued for a while now and trying to find one might be pretty tough. I have a Villian on the way now so I really can't say how that one is going to work yet.
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Derek Trowbridge
900 Global:No oil pattern we can't tame
www.900global.com
www.AMF300.com

Edited on 3/19/2009 6:49 AM

I was thinking about putting a rico on it to smooth it out and tame any jump on dry.. but that is two people that have said it is more medium heavy than medium light..
Is the Venom a smooth arcing ball though.. Can't find a video anywhere.
maybe the villain is a better choice??

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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205,PBA Xperience ave180

I htin you're missing the point here.
I do not believe the Venom would be for medium-heavy UNBLESS you sanded it rougher. I have had a couple of particle balls that were great for medium oil. They were not great for medium-heavy. When, in a league or a tournament, the midlane dried out, you had to put the particle ball, like the Venom away, because it didn't have enough backend to go deeper nd recover, but it was too early in the mids to save enough energy for backend hitting power.

That does NOT make a medium-heavy oil ball. If you put a Rico drill on it OR rough up the surface, it will handle heavier than medium oil (not sure if it will hanlde true medium-hevay oil), but THEN it won't handle medium oil.

Unless you have higher than average ball speed, the particle just cause the ball to react too early. With the stock polished cover, it will handle medium oil but not much heavier, unless you have a higher rev rate or lighter oil unless you have a higher than average ball speed.

I have seen your other post about what you're looking for. I hate to say it but unless you fall into one of the "unless" categories I mentioned above, I do not believe the Venom will meet your needs/wants.

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Charlest.. I WANT MEDIUM- MEDIUM LIGHT.. I am just worried that the VENOM is too strong as I have been told by a few people.. I have my Anger for Medium Heavy..
To confirm.. if it is dryer it won't necessarily hook more.. just be smoother and less backend.. If so that is what I want
Also.. you are saying the rico drill will actually make it hook more?? or handle more oil? I thought the rico would smooth it out more

Here is what I have and what it does.. I want it to fit right below my widow pearl..

Brunswick   BVP Mammoth HEAVY OIL SMOOTH
Rotogrip   Epic Odyssey HEAVY OIL ANGULAR
Hammer   Raw Hammer Anger MEDIUM HEAVY SMOOTH
Hammer   Black Widow Pearl MEDIUM ANGULAR
**** LOOKING FOR MEDIUM LIGHT SMOOTH****
Visionary   Green Gargoyle* LIGHTER OIL ANGULAR
Rotogrip   Neptune LIGHTER OIL SMOOTH
Visionary   Slate Blue Gargoyle* SPARES

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Edited on 3/19/2009 2:41 PM

charlest · « **Reply #11 on:** March 19, 2009, 02:53:14 PM »

I understand you want medium to medium-light. My whole reply was predicated on trying to convince you that unless you have a higher than average ball speed, the Venomn will not cover/handle TRUE medium-light oil. I was trying to get you to understand the nature of the Venom, as I understand that ball (which I believe is correct).
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J_w73 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 19, 2009, 03:10:13 PM »

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I understand you want medium to medium-light. My whole reply was predicated on trying to convince you that unless you have a higher than average ball speed, the Venomn will not cover/handle TRUE medium-light oil. I was trying to get you to understand the nature of the Venom, as I understand that ball (which I believe is correct).
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I thought you were saying that it isn't for medium heavy...that is what you typed..
I was confused cause you are saying that it isn't for medium heavy and also isnt for medium light..
so you are saying it would be too early for medium light??
So you think the Villain would be more what I am looking for..??
Was looking at the sidewinder but I think that is just too much ball and will be like my Anger.
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Jesse James · « **Reply #13 on:** March 19, 2009, 03:29:43 PM »

I think I get what Charlest is saying. And in retrospect, it too, makes sense.

My buddy threw his Venom down and in with high ball speed, on the light oil shot. So I never really got to see it's hooking power. And it was very smooth.
I don't ever remember him standing left with it, and trying to hook the lanes, though.

I have not seen a Villain thrown yet, so can't give observation on that one.
Good luck, Jw73
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charlest · « **Reply #14 on:** March 19, 2009, 04:11:34 PM »

I think the Villain and the Creature are the type of ball that will handle medium AND medium-light oil well, but their smoothness depends on both your release AND the drilling. I had a Creature and the drilling I chose was not optimum for me. It was so even, I had killed the hitting power for my release.
The Creature is slightly more even reacting overall than the Villain, IN MY EYES.

The Creature solid can be a ball to suit you, but the driller MUST match your style with the ball and the oil pattern. (Just calling it medium oil or medium-light oil doesn't mean all mediums are the same pattern. Shorter lengths of oil and drier backends cause many balls to have a sharp and almost uncontrollable backend.)
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