Post by: lefty50 on February 19, 2009, 03:54:46 PM
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Post by: tizzle on February 20, 2009, 01:54:45 AM
P.S. You may want to look at the Ebonite Magic, I got ahold of one of these, and it has taken the place of both of them. It is not the strongest of them all, but I am able to use it for all 3 games, with small moves inside. The ball hits like a tank, and the recovery is insane. This is the first ball that I could not throw through the breakpoint, even if I tried to.
Post by: charlest on February 20, 2009, 06:23:56 AM
Who cares if it's made of dinosaur dung, as long as it does what you need and reacts the way you need, not the way you want.
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Post by: tekneek on February 20, 2009, 06:33:10 AM
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Post by: jbuzz31 on February 20, 2009, 06:39:31 AM
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the Mega has a 6% particle load, comprised of 2 different types of particles
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Post by: lefty50 on February 20, 2009, 08:28:51 AM
In my experience, particle loads seem to affect overall shape and reaction. I can easily tell the difference between solid reactive and particle on the lane, at least in my game. I also think that the early comments I've heard about the Mega burning up at my feet make more sense to me when I consider a typical particle.
Perhaps wrong, but that's what I've seen... Gotta trust my own eyes.
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Post by: tizzle on February 20, 2009, 10:03:41 AM
Post by: tenpinspro on February 20, 2009, 11:35:17 AM
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In my experience, particle loads seem to affect overall shape and reaction.
Hey lefty,
Yes, this is true but please keep in mind that there are many types of particles that exist and are used in ball surfaces/mixtures. It also is very important as to the "size" and the "load" of the actual particle (or combination of) that dictates the amount of friction that will be created.
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I can easily tell the difference between solid reactive and particle on the lane, at least in my game.
I definitely agree with you in regards to the early particle designs (Azure Zone, Blk Chaos, La Nina..etc) which consisted of larger particles at fairly high loads and these balls did create very early friction which then offered minimal back end reaction.
However, as particle technology advanced, manufacturers were able to utilize different particles (some made of harder material) which were much smaller in micron size and/or decreased the load which started to offer a much more similar look to reactives. There a couple of particle pieces that come to mind (Track Arsenal Angular, Raging Inferno) that had more backend reaction than some solid reactives. Not all particle pieces are made the same...
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Post by: tekneek on February 20, 2009, 11:38:25 AM
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Post by: charlest on February 20, 2009, 12:33:18 PM
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Charlest, I respect your normally informative posts, but that answer is so bad it doesn't even get a copy of our home game.
In my experience, particle loads seem to affect overall shape and reaction. I can easily tell the difference between solid reactive and particle on the lane, at least in my game. I also think that the early comments I've heard about the Mega burning up at my feet make more sense to me when I consider a typical particle.
Perhaps wrong, but that's what I've seen... Gotta trust my own eyes.
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If THE ball burns up for you, AND finer or polished surafces also do not work, that is the ball, not the individual pieces that make up the parts of the ball. Saying that because of some individual trait of the cover or the core removes the ball from your personal list does only a disservice to yourself, not to anyone else.
Whether you like it or not, that saying remains true, regardless of your personal experience. We often don't like the truth because of many factors. The truth remains the truth. I did not make it up, but in the world of bowling it makes perfect sense.
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on February 20, 2009, 01:07:48 PM
Still really dull for a twice polished ball with extender on it, ball is super strong and never quits to answer your question.
I have the VG and do not like that ball at all so far, so it is your choice maybe a Bounty would be a better move for you.
Post by: newguy on February 21, 2009, 09:00:18 AM
Our goal is to give you the best value for your hard earned dollar.
We even give you some back in the Bounty program!!!!
Post by: lefty50 on February 21, 2009, 09:42:16 AM
Always thought it would be a great idea for companies to throw a few seed balls to average house scratch bowlers who can give honest opinions.
I am curious about the potential of the advances though, and always keep an open mind. I'll sit back and see what the first few results are...
Then again, it might be interesting to pick up a Mega, take it to Nationals in a few weeks, and see what happens. Reporting back the honest results, of course... This would give all the "There are no bad balls" group a reason to type.
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Post by: los2003 on February 21, 2009, 10:03:58 AM
Post by: tizzle on February 21, 2009, 10:34:06 AM
Post by: lefty50 on February 22, 2009, 07:48:05 AM
Thanks.
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on February 22, 2009, 01:11:24 PM
Came out nice and shiny finally but let me you this ball handles oil like a dream and now the backend has become nice and strong with a great arc shape to it.
Honestly struck about 80 percent with it and it never checked up, I had my VG at 2k no polish and it was stronger some shots but all over the place as usual.
The VG is pin over ring 4 1/2 to pap and the mb is right and below my thumb in the 5 inch to pap area.
The Mega started with a pin down 4 inch drilling with the cg towards grip center and 4 3/4 area.
I also had a T-Road Solid at 1k abralon pin down 4 1/2 pin to pap and cg at 4 3/4 below with a weight hole on my pap. It was closer to the same roll as the Mega minus about 5 boards of extra back end reaction.
Went detailed for you and hope you appreciate it, actually tested these side by side just for you to be honest. You have a fair comparison now so make your own choice and hopefully it works out well for you.
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Post by: lefty50 on February 22, 2009, 06:47:44 PM
MrB, what's your rev rate and speed if I may ask?
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Post by: tizzle on February 23, 2009, 12:49:12 AM
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on February 23, 2009, 09:01:40 AM
magic is anothe great ball like Tizzle suggested coming off a 760 from last Monday night with it. Less in oil handling but much more overall back end motion, dulled down it could be be really strong but why touch such a great rolling ball.
Post by: newguy on February 23, 2009, 09:54:44 AM
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I appreciate all the input. I can accept the potential that particle technology has advanced and may be worth a relook. Cahrlest, let me worry about my disservice, ok? At current ball prices, the only thing that is a "disservice" is the constant hyping of new balls as greater than sliced bread. I bought into that with the Lane 1 BuzzBust already. Fool me twice, shame on me. I encourage everyone to ignore the hype and wait for results from real bowlers who don't have tag lines "amateur staff", "pro shop", etc.
Always thought it would be a great idea for companies to throw a few seed balls to average house scratch bowlers who can give honest opinions.
I am curious about the potential of the advances though, and always keep an open mind. I'll sit back and see what the first few results are...
Then again, it might be interesting to pick up a Mega, take it to Nationals in a few weeks, and see what happens. Reporting back the honest results, of course... This would give all the "There are no bad balls" group a reason to type.
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I agree with the amatuer staff posts. I recommend you look at the Bowling This Month they are an independent tester and have rated the Mega Friction as the most hooking ball of the year.
Post by: lefty50 on February 23, 2009, 10:13:32 AM
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Post by: tenpinspro on February 23, 2009, 11:06:33 AM
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I encourage everyone to ignore the hype and wait for results from real bowlers who don't have tag lines "amateur staff", "pro shop", etc.
Why? Did what I state appear biased towards AMF or was it just informative? I mentioned 3 companies "Bruns", "Columbia" and "Storm" that in all their original design were very early rolling. From trial and error, they learned to adjust from that to create a different reaction.
Then I mention "Track" and "Bruns" again in regards to pieces where they have tweaked or adjusted their original philosophy, that's all. I have no personal interest in AMF nor am I a staffer for them, I'm simply trying to offer information that your regular "Joe Bowler" isn't privy to not having run a shop for many years or can even attend seminars so they can educate or know how to service their customers better.
Again lefty, you're generalizing with this comment just as you're generalizing with your perception of particle. What didn't work for you may work for someone else, mainly why Joe Bowler doesn't get seed balls. That's only one type of game where as I see and drill for many. Does Joe Bowler know the difference from a rev dominant player to a speed dominant player, do they even know what and how tilt and axis rotation affect ball reaction? For those who do, guess what, some do get seed balls....they become staffers.
If you look at my profile, I'm a Track guy...so what's my interest or gain being here trying to help? AND I'm doing this for free....sheesh! No wonder so many people leave this site....
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Post by: lefty50 on February 23, 2009, 09:07:16 PM
No worries on this end.
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Post by: tenpinspro on February 26, 2009, 01:53:21 PM
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Rick, take a breath. You've misunderstood my comment. Certainly nothing agsainst you. Your commentary and valuable assistance have withstood the test of time.
Sorry for the blow-up lefty but you posted this after my explanation (and I have pro shop in my sig), how was I to know you "didn't" mean me?
This just happens to be a sore spot for me. Carl Hurd and myself have gone thru this for so long as to our opinions and how we weren't being honest and that just burns me up.
I ran a full service shop where if I wanted to retain a customer, it was/is always much more important to fit that customer to the right piece vs the company I was sponsored by. The company didn't pay me, my customers did...for my service, knowledge and honesty. I simply transfer that mentality to here.
The thing I still like to say in regards to what we read here is that we're seeing a person's "opinion". Right or wrong, it's just an opinion. When you walk in a shop, you're still getting someone's "opinion" whether he is on staff or not, we still have the ability to decipher whether or not we like that person's opinion.
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No worries on this end.
Same here bud...
BTW, I'm here not only to help but I was very interested in the Mega as well. I want something to eat thru the OB at Nats so I don't feel like I have half a board to play with.
Oh Eric T, please check your pm's. Thanks....
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Post by: tekneek on February 26, 2009, 02:03:57 PM
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Post by: tenpinspro on February 27, 2009, 01:51:27 PM
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Mr bowlingnut,
Would you say you get the same reaction from this ball at Samstown's "house" shot? I know that shot some so it'll give me a better idea of how strong it really is, thanks for your help.
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on February 27, 2009, 02:55:59 PM
Nothing touches the Mega oob I mean nothing at all, this is a whole different rolling ball.
I am going to 2k abby no polish for the nationals shot as an inside option or from possibly the out of bounds and bump off it.
I have a feeling that my 2nd Dimension will be my go to ball there, honestly pretty nervous not to let down my team this week. Being my first nationals it could go good or really bad, coming off of a low series of 601 out of the last 6 outings so I have been rolling well for me overall.
Back to 2k abby right now dang is this ball dull again lol Ready for nationals hope to shoot at least 1700 for my first time there.
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