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Equipment Boards => AMF => Topic started by: stealth on June 18, 2004, 09:17:57 PM

Title: New Coverstock
Post by: stealth on June 18, 2004, 09:17:57 PM
Rumor has it June 28 AMF will introduce a new coverstock.Does anyone have any info?
Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: Next Level PS on June 24, 2004, 01:00:35 AM
I got some news from a reliable source and he said that this thing might be better than the Activator from Brunswick. He said that AMF can change the molecular structure slightly and get get totally two different reaction. I cann't wait (not an AMF fan) but can't wait to see this one.
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Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: TheDude on June 24, 2004, 01:18:21 AM
Supposedly able to hook on anything! ball litterly creates it's own friction.
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Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: Jeffrevs on June 24, 2004, 07:18:23 AM
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Supposedly able to hook on anything! ball litterly creates it's own friction.
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doesn't 'every' ball create it's own friction ? Just throw it!
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Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: hskrntx on June 24, 2004, 11:44:10 AM
WHEN are we supposed to see this thing?
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Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: asaturno on June 24, 2004, 12:05:05 PM
Wouldn't this be a Columbia coverstock since
they make AMF's stuff?
Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: charlest on June 24, 2004, 04:35:45 PM
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Supposedly able to hook on anything! ball litterly creates it's own friction.
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doesn't 'every' ball create it's own friction ? Just throw it!
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Aw c'mon, Jeff. It's not like you to say something like that without thinking.
Friction is one aspect of the physical interface between two objects. The other object is the lane surface and it is covered with an amount of a type of oil. The amount and the type and the surface are 3 other independent factors involved in this equation. So you were saying ....

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Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: TheDude on June 24, 2004, 09:05:58 PM
Fine Let me re-phrase that" This ball creates more friction that most balls can dream of.


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Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: JPRLane1 on June 24, 2004, 09:36:02 PM
Is it going to be called the Titan???
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Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: Walking E on July 06, 2004, 03:49:12 PM
I have some questions related to this recent discussion and the Titan:

1) Does anyone know if this new coverstock will be used on the Titan?

2) Does anyone have any information about the Titan? All I see is the picture and specs on bowlingballreviews.com. Has anyone thrown this ball, or seen it thrown? Any idea what the retail price point will be?

3) Has the Titan core been used in any other AMF ball?

I'll admit to being very swayed by the look of this ball, which I think is outstanding.


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Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: jkiser01 on July 06, 2004, 03:57:26 PM
Its say mid priced so I expect it to be cheaper than the Triumph line, which is their master or top line..
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Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: LuckyLefty on July 06, 2004, 03:57:36 PM
Not the Titan.

Read the description tried and true coverstock with a core that looks a lot like the Detour Formula core!

However the Velocity lists a new coverstock.  Not sure that is this radical new coverstock.

REgards,

Luckylefty
Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: LuckyLefty on July 06, 2004, 05:06:56 PM
Gator1 was it the Velocity or something different?

REgards,

Luckylefty
Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: LuckyLefty on July 07, 2004, 07:15:32 AM
Born2Bowl,

Tell us about exhibition.  What did you see?

What was amazing about it?  How was it different from other balls you've seen before in movement and reaction?

REgards,

Luckylefty
Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: Action Man on July 10, 2004, 01:51:00 PM
I saw the new AMF and Columbia Balls at IPBSIA.  Their new covers are supposedly more like an Epoxy than a urethane resin.  Amaletto, Duke, Voss, and many others were bowling with the new epoxy cover ball.  They were all throwing the ball and what everyone was talking about was that the new material made the ball roll out about ten to fifteen feet before the pins. It was actually embarrassing.

The new material apparently creates a tremendous amount of friction (epoxy is like a clear resin bar top? I think?).  No one I was standing with was impressed with the early roll with no back end.  Maybe it is the future if they figure out how to keep it from rolling out at mid lane.  Right now, however it appears they have a long way to go.  Mostly marketing hype, nothing impressive.
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Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: RPM MAX on July 10, 2004, 02:26:24 PM
Oh great! another biggest hooking ball ever. When is this ever going to stop? Is it not about time there was upper limit to the hooking abality of a ball?
Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: jhutch769 on July 28, 2004, 04:57:39 PM
Yes, it is an Epoxy cover.  I just saw it demonstrated at the Classic Expo in Fort Wayne, IN.  There were 3 test balls.  A red one, a blue one, and one with a "resurface meter" on it with the velocity logo stamped on it, though it wasn't a velocity.

THe blue ball made a literal left turn in the oil and was in the left ditch by the end of the oil pattern.  The oil stays on the ball for less than a second so by the time the ball makes  a full rev, there is a fresh surface for the ball to roll on, AMF 300 claims to be able to control this and  this is how they will control the amount of hook the balls produce..  THe red ball was a nice smooth reaction and looked just like the other blue "velocity"  The cool thing about the "velocity" was the resurface meter.  THe bottom of the ball starts out all blue and the rest of the ball is a whitish color.  As the ball gets oil on the cover it soaks in in under 1 second and turns the surface blue.  As the white surface becomes blue the more oil it has.  When the entire surface is blue then it is time to resurface the ball.  It will last for about 150 games the first time, 80 games the next..  THen I can't remember if he said it is toast after that or you can get another 60 games out of it.  But once he said it fills up for the last time, it is time to dump it in the trash...  He said they like the idea because they can gauge how long a ball will last and will be able to dictate it and tell the customers easier...

Also, they said that if someone tries to use ACETONE on the ball it will show up easily and will void the warranty.  ACETONE is not to be used on the new cover and will ruin the ball.  Each ball will come with instructions on how to take care of the ball and it is up to the shop opperators to let the customers know how to care for the ball..

I am very excited to see these new balls come out.  Only problem is, they take 1 and a half hours to cure where a normal urethane or resin based ball takes from 12 - 20 minutes to cure...

Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: FBM357 on July 28, 2004, 05:13:39 PM
it'll only be a matter of time before they start using some sort of synthetic/micro/plutonium (LOL) type oil to nullify the 'wicked' coverstocks
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Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: hotwire13 on July 28, 2004, 05:23:33 PM
i think soon we are going to be using bowling balls as tires in bad weather ...lets just keep making balls that hook more and more and roll out earlier and earlier...cuz thats what makes us all great bowlers, right?  this is a joke.
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Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: hotwire13 on July 28, 2004, 05:27:30 PM
is the ball going to have treads in it?  it might s well, this way we can start having sprinkler systems above the lanes, and it can be raining while were bowling.  maybe we can even put little robots in the ball to drive it towards the pocket, and there can be little windshield wipers on the ball surface.  this is absoluetly ridiculous.  every house bowler is now going to have the new AMF Mystery Ball, and its going to suck up oil like a vacuum cleaner going down the lane.
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Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: FBM357 on July 28, 2004, 05:49:19 PM
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is the ball going to have treads in it?  it might s well, this way we can start having sprinkler systems above the lanes, and it can be raining while were bowling.  maybe we can even put little robots in the ball to drive it towards the pocket, and there can be little windshield wipers on the ball surface.  this is absoluetly ridiculous.  every house bowler is now going to have the new AMF Mystery Ball, and its going to suck up oil like a vacuum cleaner going down the lane.
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LMBAO... like a "squeegy" ... after your game you simply "ring" the oil out of the ball and it's like new!  Or they'll create some king of oil that has high viscosity yet yields a "dry-like" reaction on the lanes.  You throw particle or any other "super soaker" type ball, the lanes go bone dry.  You throw plastic, lanes become oily.  Before you know it, high rev bowlers will soon witness their ball mimic a backup ball...

Lanes will be equipped with "ball scanners" (like eye retina scanners for hi tech security).  Within first 10 feet, the lanes will adjust to the ball instead of the bowler adjusting to the lanes. ...
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Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: Lane Bed on August 03, 2004, 12:18:21 AM
2005 is good. That will give Kegel time to get ready the new STP oil to counteract it.

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Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: hotwire13 on August 03, 2004, 12:23:54 AM
noone believes me...bowling balls will have treads before you know it.  we will be using old bowling balls for tires on cars.  theres gonna be puddles of oil on the lane, and the oil is gonna spray up from the treads on the ball.  trust me.
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Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on August 03, 2004, 12:30:26 AM
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core in the blue covered demo is a standard pancake block.  there is no track flare going on.  it appeared that they are also using a very aggressive surface on the demo ball (220 to 320 grit paper) when they do the side by side with a TnT (which was polished at my demo).

the increase in friction potential is mainly generated from their ability to control the size of the footprint between the ball and the lane, combined with the high oil absorption rate.  footprint in the blue demo is double that of a "standard resin" ball.  oil absorption in the blue demo ball was in the 3 to 5 second range vs. a standard basf production cover at 4 minuets.

from conversations today, they seemed to have 2 models already abc approved for play, but they have not settled on a name or "marketing strategy".  the will not start full production until they figure out the cure time issue... they need a facility to store the balls in while they marinate .

that may not be until as late as early 2005...

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So the ball soaks up the oil before you have a chance to clean it off? THATS CHEAP!
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Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: LuckyLefty on August 03, 2004, 01:33:36 AM
180, 90, 40, 25, 12, 6, 3, 1 you are in the finals and the guage says your ball is Gonna die!  And you couldn't get to the station for a refill.  er I mean bowling center.

Game # 356 and you are soon...... toast!

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Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: Lane Bed on August 04, 2004, 12:42:36 AM
If the ball soaks up the oil before it gets back what are the pro shops gonna do with all those extra towels they have stocked? What about the towel makers or the people who make ball cleaner or restore products or sand paper makers or ... we have a recession in the making here.

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Title: Re: New Coverstock
Post by: hotwire13 on August 04, 2004, 12:47:20 AM
why doesnt this technology go towards something more useful...like maybe some kind of magical spaceship or something.
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