Post by: Curt_Dupre on June 18, 2011, 02:29:17 AM
Well here are the new fully interchangable shoes.
Edited by Curt_Dupre on 6/18/2011 at 10:32 AM
Post by: Brian Green on June 18, 2011, 11:04:15 AM
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Post by: themagician on June 18, 2011, 01:41:31 PM
Agreed, what they are doing by default with the sole is something i've played with for years in using cut pads on the bottoms of my dexters to get the amount of slide I want.
Post by: Hogsharley on June 18, 2011, 02:24:05 PM
Cost??
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Post by: DON DRAPER on June 18, 2011, 03:13:19 PM
The cleat sole on my 3G Tour Ultra's can be set up with increasing amounts of friction from front to rear with up to six(6) different levels of traction. There are also five(5) other soles available for selecting the perfect slide.
The adjust-a-heel on my Tour Ultra's features a smooth, hard rubber heel with three(3) different insert strips for differing amounts of slide. There are also five(5) other heels available for selecting the perfect slide.
The pushoff shoe of my Tour Ultra's are made of a Kevlar/rubber blend for superior traction and feature a replaceable toe cap.
The Tour Ultra's uppers are made from kangaroo leather which is superior to cowhide in both strength and suppleness.
The Tour Ultra's are a tried and tested model and have been available for some time now. These shoes from Etonic look interesting but I'll stick with my 3G Tour Ultra's.
Post by: tommyboy74 on June 18, 2011, 03:16:58 PM
I'm sticking with my Dexters. Even though these look interesting, the pro shop near me pulled all of the Etonics out and decided to stop carrying them due to quality issues. Now they just carry Dexter, 3G, and Brunswick.
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Medium-Light Oil: Roto Grip Rising Star: 1500 polished
Post by: tloy on June 18, 2011, 06:08:17 PM
Just curious, what were the quality issues with the Etonics? I have not used them before but this shoe has peaked my curosity...Thanks
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Post by: raiderh20boy on June 18, 2011, 06:32:59 PM
I believe they are available in August with a price around 160-170
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Post by: Curt_Dupre on June 18, 2011, 08:12:06 PM
Should be out July 18th. Price is 159.99
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Post by: tommyboy74 on June 18, 2011, 09:44:10 PM
The issue mainly was the overall quality. Apparently some of the more recent Etonic shoes according to the pro shop ended up having seams that broke apart, and some would just flat out wear faster. Now, I have not worn Etonic in the past so I really can't make my own decision on it. However, I have worn Dexter for a while and they do a good job.
Does the quality of some of the more recent Etonic shoes mean that these will have the same issues? No it doesn't. Is it worth mentioning? Yes, because it could be a possibility. Only time will tell how these do. Also, this was not the normal pro shop guy I went to (my normal shop was closed for the Memorial Day holiday) so I will have to ask his opinion to really see if it truly is the case.
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Heavy Oil: Storm Virtual Gravity Nano: 2000 AB
Medium-Heavy Oil: Storm Anarchy: 1500 polished
Medium Oil: Roto Grip Nomad Dagger: 1500 polished
Medium-Heavy Oil: Storm Anarchy: 1500 polished
Medium Oil: Roto Grip Nomad Dagger: 1500 polished
Medium-Light Oil: Roto Grip Rising Star: 1500 polished
Edited by tommyboy74 on 6/18/2011 at 9:46 PM
Post by: john rambo on June 20, 2011, 04:02:14 PM
I really like the idea behind this shoe. But they could have designed a better looking shoe to put this on, maybe a upgraded all black dress
Post by: TheFreeAgent on June 23, 2011, 10:39:49 AM
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Post by: Balldoctor on July 10, 2011, 05:11:14 PM
Have a coupla pair ordered at Bowl Expo. Gonna have some guys test them.
Will compare to Dexter. I am sticking with Dexter, personally.
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Post by: DON DRAPER on July 10, 2011, 06:33:29 PM
Post by: EboHammer4ever on July 14, 2011, 04:48:35 AM
Its an interesting concept but I worry about the strength of the velcro and whether or not the individual slide soles will curl up over time like Dexters have a tendency to do. Thats why I love my 3Gs because they have the slide sole in the center and the stitched edging so that it doesnt peel back on you. Plus I've heard that the Etonics don't have the best quality and if I'm spending $155 at Buddies for these..they better last me.
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Post by: DON DRAPER on July 17, 2011, 04:23:45 AM
Post by: glssmn2001 on July 17, 2011, 06:40:05 AM
You can't judge quality just on returns alone. In order to know the proper return ratio you also need to know the amount of each shoe sold.
As for the new Etonic shoe, it looks interesting, but, when asking about these shoes to a pro shop operator and some other bowlers, they too, had nothing good to say about the Etonic brand. I am not a quality control expert, like some, and can only give an opinion based on what I have heard. You can never really tell unless you try them for yourself, maybe this is the shoe that can make people think twice about choosing the Etonic brand.
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Post by: bighook69 on July 26, 2011, 07:56:27 PM
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Post by: DON DRAPER on August 04, 2011, 08:26:33 PM
Post by: cory867 on August 05, 2011, 07:46:49 AM
One nice thing about this shoe is noone can sell them for less than the $159.95. Etonic has set the minimum you can sell them for leveling the playing field for online and brick and mortar shops. Look for all brands to follow suit. Shop with confidense at your local shop.
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Post by: J_w73 on August 05, 2011, 03:49:39 PM
It seems Etonic cares very little about their bowling division. Maybe that is why it took them 6 years to develop a show with interchangeable heels
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Post by: TheDude on August 06, 2011, 01:59:18 AM
Actually they have been trying repeatedly to produce a high end shoe that could complete with dexter and anyone else.
but lawsuit and patent problems over and over again have hampered there efforts. this shoe is a serious attempt and should not be overlooked if people are for a high end shoe.
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Post by: Balldoctor on August 13, 2011, 07:58:48 AM
Remember, ALL BOWLING IS LOCAL!
Post by: DON DRAPER on August 13, 2011, 08:29:31 AM
Post by: cory867 on August 15, 2011, 05:07:17 AM
I got mine a week ago and used them for the first time last night. They are all that I expected. They are really comfortable and a good fitting shoe. It was nice to play around with the sliding customization. I got the correct slide that I wanted.
I have sst8's and they will be on ebay soon.
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Post by: Nodsleinad on August 15, 2011, 08:32:10 AM
I like my Etonic Dress shoes very much. I was anxiously awaiting the release of these shoes. After seeing them in preson i will not be buying.... they are pleather, and ugly.
Sorry Etonic...
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Post by: DON DRAPER on August 15, 2011, 07:06:51 PM
Post by: Steven on August 19, 2011, 03:52:13 PM
Greg: I see you're still pimping 3G like you own the company. It's cool that you like your Ultras, but you clearly don't have a clue about some of the advantages of at least the Dexters, so give it a rest.
Post by: DON DRAPER on August 19, 2011, 09:35:45 PM
Pimping ? Since I'm not getting paid by anyone except my employer this really isn't the correct word. However, I will always tout a product that is made of a superior material or a product that has a definite advantage.
I only buy authentic Swiss Army knives made by Wenger or Victorinox..........any other swiss army-type knife is a bad copy made with inferior parts and suspect labor.
I wouldn't buy a television except for a plasma model from Panasonic and it must have Directv in HD. Great picture and clarity especially movies and sports
My wife and I will not buy any brand of automobile except for Acura and Honda. We've had a dozen or so over the years and have never had a problem. Great car, great reliability, great quality.
I wore Dexters for over 6-7 years and in that time owned at least 5-6 pairs of top line models( SST 4's, 5's, and 6's ). Not being able to the right slide and frustrating customer service drove me away for good. Have had just the opposite results with 3G Tour Ultra's. Great shoes and great customer service.
I have spoken with several men who repair shoes and leather goods for living.......one an old timer with 40 years of experience. Both have stated the superiority of kangaroo leather over cowhide. That's what this boils down to........shoes made from cowhide and microfiber are not as good as shoes made from kangaroo leather.
Post by: Steven on August 20, 2011, 11:17:38 AM
Now, to some of your other comments about 'quality'.
I hate to burst your bubble about TV technology, but Plasma is passe and LED-backlit is the new king. Now, before you get all hyper, educate yourself with the following:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2387377,00.asp
As for your complains about Dexter, the SST8s are nothing like the 4's, 5's, and 6's you've constantly complained about. Besides your lack of comparative experience with the SST8s, the irony is that 3G doesn't appear to consider the Ultras as a direct competitor to the SST8s. They offer the 'Shuffler' as a shoe more in line with the superior support characteristics of the Dexter. BTW, I don't get where you got the notion (other than 3G advertising) that it's Kangaroo leather or nothing. The leather on my SST8's is very comfortable and shows almost no wear after close to 1000 games. I don't necessarily want my bowling shoes to feel like house slippers.
Finally, if you're going to compare the durability and strength of Leather vs. Synthetic materials, you have to look at non-bowling applications for clarity and understanding. I'm an avid motorcycle rider, and have multiple leather and synthetic jackets/pants for different weather and riding conditions. I love the leather for optimum warmth, but the ergonomic advantages stop there. For maximum tear strength and breathability, synthetic wins -- period. I was recently blindsided by a car going 70+ mph, thrown clear, and skidded 30+ feet on rough asphalt. My Synthetic Jacket took the brunt of the abuse, but not a single tear in the material. On the hand my leather pants wore through in two places. This isn't a test I'd recommend to anyone, but think about this before dismissing synthetic.
You're a well meaning 3G shoe cultist, but if the opportunity arrises, put your biases aside (many unfounded) and at least give these new Etonics a look. The technology looks interesting.
Edited by Steven on 8/20/2011 at 12:03 PM
Post by: DON DRAPER on August 20, 2011, 08:12:11 PM
Post by: luckyxxx on August 21, 2011, 07:25:55 AM
I saw the new Etonics this week...just not that impressed. I can't say anything about them performance wise as I did not wear them but as far as appearance they just didn't look or feel like high quality shoes. They are also very narrow compared to SST8's and they may run small as well because the guy who ordered them could barely get his foot in the size 12's he ordered.