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hoobowler

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Developing Revs and Strike LineQuestion?
« on: November 23, 2003, 07:01:27 PM »
I started learning how to throw a hook this summer around June/July.  Over the last month, my ball has been starting to hook a lot more.  I thought it was due to the lanes being not as oily as of late but the people i bowl with say the lane conditions are pretty much the same as usual.

My question is: with time, does a beginner start hooking more even without changing their form? I do feel like my release has gotten better in that my thumb is clearing smoother/cleaner then two months ago.

With my ball hooking more, i've switched to using my less aggressive ball to keep my same line (laying down around the 15th board and going over the 2nd arrow). However, I'm worried that when I do encounter the drier conditions I won't have a ball to go to.  My second question is, is now the time to start learning a differennt strike line??  Should I find a more inside out line? And if so, where should I begin in finding this line?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

 

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Re: Developing Revs and Strike LineQuestion?
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2003, 11:32:53 AM »
This is strictly my opinion as I'm nowhere near qualified to give a valid answer, but here goes....I'm facing the same dilemma.  I started back a few months ago after a long time off and got a decent ball.  I sucked the first few times out and got a lesson.  Now that I understand how to throw the ball, I find myself hooking more, too.  I think it's because of multiple reasons.  You're getting better at releasing the ball, so you may not have to put the same effort into getting better results.  You may also be getting stronger in the hand, wrist and arm which is allowing you to hook it more.  I know I've started working out the last few weeks and I seem to be elevating my ball speed and revs tremendously (for me...).  As for your 2nd/3rd questions, I started out bowling similarly to you.  When I got the new ball, I started going all the way left and playing the middle arrow.  After my lesson, I've now moved to the 1st dot left of center and throwing to between the 2nd and 3rd arrows (from right).  This gives me a decent baseline from which I can make adjustments according to what I'm seeing.

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Re: Developing Revs and Strike LineQuestion?
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2003, 01:36:10 PM »
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My question is: with time, does a beginner start hooking more even without changing their form?

My second question is, is now the time to start learning a differennt strike line??  Should I find a more inside out line? And if so, where should I begin in finding this line?


A beginner can easily start hooking the ball more without trying to.  Your cleaner release is probably part of it. Increased strength, especially in the wrist, that comes from exercising those muscles by bowling also adds to your hook.

As for lane play, thats going to require a longer response.

First, don't ever fall into an always stand here & throw there mindset.  When I see posts or hear bowlers say that they put their foot on a specific dot and throw at a specific board, I cringe.  A good bowler can play several different arrows all with a point, a down&in, and a swing.  A great bowler can play every arrow on the lane.

Even if you can play every line possible on the lane, which one should you play?  For 95% of the shots out there, the answer is the oil line.  The oil line is were the oil transitions from wet to dry.  You can find the oil line by throwing a shot down the boards.  Throw down the first arrow & notice where the ball starts to hook. Repeat for the second arrow.  If the length is the same, then try on the third arrow; however, if the length is different then throw between the arrows.  Once you've found the area that separates oil from dry, you've found your target.  Next move your feet until you find the pocket.  If you miss left, then move left.  If you miss right then move right.

Once you've gone through that exercise, you've got a shot that should give you the most room for error.  A ball pulled inside or thrown a tad too slow should skid on the oil and hold into the pocket.  A ball a tad to fast or slightly pushed will hit the dry and hook more to find the pocket.

The trick now is to stay on the oil line.  As you and others bowl the oil line is going to move.  Watch you ball reaction.  Note the length and backend you get on every well executed shot.  If the ball breaks early move your feet & target to the inside.  If the problem is lack of length then move 2 boards with your feet & one with your target.  If the problem is too much backend then move feet one board & target one board.  If you get too much length or too little backend then more the opposite way.

Of course, as with everything, there's a lot more that could be said, but that's the basics so start there.
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hoobowler

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Re: Developing Revs and Strike LineQuestion?
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2003, 10:08:00 AM »
Thanks for your all's input.

Constantine - can you please clarify a couple things.

When you say "target", do you mean the general break point area?

Second, You say "move your feet until you find the pocket"  Is this the basic process that you should go through to determine whether you should throw a down and in or a swing? So, your movement could be nothing (because the down-in has the best line the to the pocket when hitting the target) or it could be 10 boards left (because a swing has the best line to the pocket when hitting the target).  And once that basic line to the target is found and you know what arrow you're using as the intermediate target, that's when you should start using 1-1 and 2-1 adjustments to keep hitting the target as the conditions change.

my last question, how do you know which ball to use.  Let's say, the less aggressive ball when used can follow a down and in line but when you try to throw a swing it doesn't have the ability to come back all the way to the pocket. And conversely for an Aggressive ball, too much for the down and in, strong enough to come back when playing a swing.  Is this now a matter of preference? or is there another reason to chose one over the other.  While watching last Sundays PBA, Barnes switched balls and his line between the semi-final and finals.  In the semi-finals he was playing more of a down-in with a less aggressive ball.  In the finals he switched to a more aggressive ball and a inside out line.

Again, thanks for your all's input.  I really appreciate it.  And Happy Thanksgiving!!!



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Re: Developing Revs and Strike LineQuestion?
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2003, 12:41:54 PM »
Hoobowler,

To answer your questions...

Target is where you are looking, generally around the arrows.  When working with beginners, I'm definately "old school".  I try to teach consistency in release and ball speed.  Master an A game before you attempt to work the ball.  With this philosophy, the breakpoint is just a result instead of something you are trying to force.  You make adjustments when the "result" of a good shot didn't match your desired result.  

Just so you know...The purpose of the 2-1 move is to change your line and keep the same breakpoint.  So if you throw a good shot and it doesn't get to the same breakpoint because the midlanes have dried, then a 2-1 will get you back to the original breakpoint.  The purpose of the 1-1 adjustment is too keep your line and move the breakpoint.  So if you throw a good shot and the ball hits the same breakpoint, but it doesn't hook due to carrydown, then a 1-1 will move the breakpoint.

You understood my process for finding a shot correctly.  Your movement could be nothing or it could be a bunch.  If your bowling league in the same house, this should be a quick process because you have prior knowledge of the lanes.

Ball choice is a complicated issue, especially when you have a big arsenal to choose from.  A good bowler can find the pocket with any ball, so the issue is which is the best ball.  Which ball gives you the most room for error?  The answer depends on you and the lane conditions.

Let's first talk lane conditions as side-to-side only.  There are four basic shots on a lane:  flat, block, tube & reverse.

Flat means the oil is the same across the lane.  On a flat condition, there is no benefit to playing a point, down & in, or swing.  Accuracy is all that matters.  Pick a ball that will give you consistency and play a line that is comfortable to your style.  Remember that a big hook is only for show.  You just need enough hook to get a good entry angle throw the pocket.

Block is the most common lane condtion.  A block has more oil in the middle and less on the outside.  A block can have smooth transition or it can be very wet/dry.  A swing is preferred because the dry outside helps you ball back to the pocket when you miss outside.  A miss inside also holds the pocket more.  On a blended shot, you can be aggressive, but on a wet/dry you need a ball that won't jump on you.

A tube is like a block, but it has an out of bounds area.  A swing has an advantage, but you don't want a big swing that might go out-of-bounds on an errant shot.   You need a smaller swing to keep the ball in the tube.

A reverse (or reverse-block) is an inverted block pattern. Its dry in the middle and oily on the outside.  There are two ways to play the reverse shot.  You can play it like a flat shot and stay in either the dry or the oily.  Or you can treat it like a big tube and swing the oil line on the deep inside.  The swing shot is the highest scoring, but it requires a lot of hand and the confidence to play very deep.

Next lets talk lane conditions from front-to-back.  I'll break it down into four basic combinations:  oil-oil, oil-dry, dry-oil, dry-dry.

Oil-oil:  When the heads are oily and the backends aren't hooking.  You need roll.  You want a ball is designed and set up to roll--Strong cover, generally particle, low RG, high flare potential, tame drilling.

Oil-dry:  When the heads are oil and the backends are hooking, you have options.  If the side-to-side pattern is easier, then go aggressive--resin cover with high flare and a strong drill.  If the side-to-side is tougher, then back off a bit--resin or mild particle, medium RG & flare, milder drilling.

Dry-oil:  This is a tough shot.  You need length in the front but a smooth, controlled backend--urethane or weak particle, high RG, low flare, strong pin with roll mass bias placement.

Dry-dry:  You need length but the backend can be a little more open.  Weaker resin, urethane & even plastic can work here.  High RG & low flare is a must.

Put it all together and it can be a complicated mess that boils down to a matter of personal preference.  I missed the PBA telecast, so I can't comment on specifically on Barnes; however, sometimes the you run out of adjustments and you've got to make a big change.  I recommend sticking with a ball as long as you're comfortable on the lane.  However, if the next adjustment means you have to stand in front of the ball return then maybe its time to switch balls.  Also once you've learned your aresnal, you'll develop a feel for what each ball will do.  My mixed league teamates are frequently amazed at my strike rate after I switch equipment.  To me its not a big deal, I just know what my equipment will do and I watch the lane transitions very closely.

As a beginner, I don't recommend trying to fill ever hole that I've just highlighted.  Start with a benchmark ball that you can control and learn to adjust.  Develop a good fundamentals and you can go a long way.
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hoobowler

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Re: Developing Revs and Strike LineQuestion?
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2003, 10:23:15 AM »
Constantine and All- Thanks for your input!!!