Post by: boondoggle on August 23, 2007, 08:29:35 AM
Part 1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-lodT9V_14
Part 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOU5z2MENag
If you squint you can see speed and RPM numbers
Looks like Moor is low 300s. Belmonte is high 500s.
Also at the end of the match they show an overhead diagram of the line each bowler was taking and an overlay of the variance in their shot.
Post by: BuzzsawBrent on August 24, 2007, 10:53:53 PM
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Post by: shelley on August 24, 2007, 10:55:55 PM
SH
Post by: APheLion on August 26, 2007, 10:37:58 AM
btw, i got 15 of the world tenpin master videos, making a dvd soon
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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment
When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.
Post by: Siniak on August 26, 2007, 03:57:49 PM
http://stage6.divx.com/user/Apogiffa/video/1569408/WTM-Barnes-twohanded
Post by: shelley on August 26, 2007, 11:31:56 PM
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learn jr's record wont be matched by anyone even close, that was just way too many strikes
In four games, he struck 44 out of 48 times. His opponents struck 42 out of 48 times. Whenever I'm in a slump, I watch that show.
SH
Post by: APheLion on August 27, 2007, 10:26:07 AM
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Here's a fun link from the barnes vs belmo match:
http://stage6.divx.com/user/Apogiffa/video/1569408/WTM-Barnes-twohanded
hahaha i loved that part, cuz before in the match against palermaa, he said he was going to leave the 2h style for osku, but i think after that he wanted to show little bit
hahaha
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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment
When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.
Post by: BuzzsawCrazy on August 30, 2007, 09:06:28 PM
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Post by: boondoggle on August 31, 2007, 10:33:26 AM
I'm trying to find some video of one of these. On Strikepass you can see the '02 Flagship Open right now. I watched it the other day and I remember from the first match, Healey vs. Smith, Healey was around 385/19 and Smith at 515/21. Healey was hitting the same RPM/Speed every shot and had something like the front 7, while Smith was lost and his RPMs were anywhere from 520 to 480.
Post by: JMORRIS on August 31, 2007, 10:46:11 AM
Post by: shelley on August 31, 2007, 10:55:39 AM
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Do they always only bowl on 1 lane?
Some of those international competitions are like that. The Weber Cup and Tenpin Masters that I've seen televised from the UK or Europe are always on one lane. The big competitions with dozens or hundreds of players are at a bowling center, but the small team competitions and telecasts are on one lane.
SH
Post by: The Ratpack on August 31, 2007, 10:59:37 AM
I sat and watched this on sky, and recorded it. It was a superb display by both bowlers. Jason hit the first 18 in a row had an open then struck out and Paul bowled well too...he's now been runner up for the last 3 years in this event. With regards to Jason's rev rate he threw quite a few shot where he was over 600+ and not just by 1 or 2 but in the 610's and this was measured on a C.A.T.'s machine.Osku also had similar rev's when he bowled. All in all it was a great competition to watch.
Post by: high_revs on August 31, 2007, 02:19:54 PM
Post by: boondoggle on August 31, 2007, 02:35:32 PM
and 35 to 36 km/h for Belmonte, which would be around 22 mph.
Post by: Siniak on August 31, 2007, 04:12:03 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ht8KS4S3WJY
Anyway, average speed and revs shown at the start of some of the WTM clips:
Belmonte, 34,6 km/h, 575 rpm
Moor, 29,8 km/h, 300 rpm
Palermaa, 31,2 km/h, 575 rpm
Barnes, 30,7 km/h, 400 rpm
Post by: lsf_21 on September 15, 2007, 12:11:00 AM
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Im surprised the cover on the ball wasn't peeling off onto the lanes after each shot. That is an enormous amount of revolutions. If im not mistaken he threw one ball with I think 585 revolutions on it. The pins don't have a prayer. Don't have to worry about to many corner pins with screaming messengers flying around. I don't even think Robert Smith puts that much zip on the ball
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they did a thing a few years agot and smith could hit 600+ guy posted a link above to it on youtube
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Post by: revTrex on September 15, 2007, 01:37:01 AM
Belmo = Burly Australian = Beast
Plus, he looks darn good on the BJI cover.
Post by: 302efi on September 16, 2007, 12:52:46 AM
With the back curtian right on the pins or touching them, you know theres going to be better carry.
I'm thinking the lanes and pit are setup for scores like that...
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Post by: Siniak on September 18, 2007, 08:52:09 AM
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Storm International staffer Jason Belmonte won his first World Tenpin Masters title in the third attempt as he posted the second 300 game (Special Agent) in the history of the event to help him go past England’s Paul Moor by 566-524 at Metrodome Center in Barnsley, South Yorkshire, England.
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Belmonte used the Storm Thunderstruck Solid and Special Agent in the tournament.
http://stormbowling.com/bowling-news/story.asp?enewsid=2341&intl=
Post by: Jock on September 19, 2007, 04:55:47 AM
With the back curtian right on the pins or touching them, you know theres going to be better carry.
I'm thinking the lanes and pit are setup for scores like that...
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There just had to be someone to say something like that! And were you thinking, because it wasn't bowled in America by a PBA pro, it's not good!
OK, answer this question:-
If "the back curtian right on the pins or touching them", then how does the ball get off the pin deck? To the side?
Even if the match was a tie 300 - 300 someone will surely say that the conditions were fixed so that they could do that.
Is it that hard to say "Well bowled"!
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Post by: dizzyfugu on September 19, 2007, 05:07:35 AM
And this format is not easy. If you have seen other matches from it (previous years), you will find that in the earlier final stages some players really struggled with the single lane condition and how the lane changes, especially when both play a similar line.
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Post by: 302efi on September 19, 2007, 05:07:52 AM
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If "the back curtian right on the pins or touching them", then how does the ball get off the pin deck? To the side?
Are you blind ?...Look at the ball when as its going through the pins !
The ball hits the bottem part of the curtian BEFORE it even leaves the deck !
Can you not see that ?!?!?!...The black reflection after ever strike.
The curtian flap when the ball hits it...
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Post by: 302efi on September 19, 2007, 05:14:16 AM
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Even if the lane setup would promote high scores, it is the same lane for both players in the tournament.
Dizzy...I'm not talking about the whole tournament, just that lane for the TV match.
1.You got all the people there that came there to see strikes.
2.Partypoker.net does not want 150's bowled for a tourney their sponsering on TV.
3. Who the hell only bowls on 1 lane ?
I think you can agree that this lane was "fixed" a little for some higher scores.
Anybody got scores for the whole tourny ?
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Robo-Arm bowlers SUCK...
Post by: 302efi on September 19, 2007, 05:22:34 AM
Buddues Pro Shop:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxH9zPx18wo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOuXqgAAE2k&mode=related&search=
BrunsNick:
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Video Ball reviews:
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http://www.videoballreviews.com/visionary.html
Wheres the back curtian in these vids ????
Where it SHOULD BE !!
Compare these vids to the ones of the tourney and you'll see what I mean ...
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When faced with a difficult situation, Jesus asks himself, "What would Chuck Norris do?"
Robo-Arm bowlers SUCK...
Post by: Siniak on September 19, 2007, 05:50:19 AM
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Dizzy...I'm not talking about the whole tournament, just that lane for the TV match.
That one lane is used for the entire tournament. It's a 16 player invitational.
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Anybody got scores for the whole tourny ?
http://worldtenpinmasters.com/staticPage.asp?strPageName=Results
Post by: 302efi on September 19, 2007, 05:58:40 AM
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That one lane is used for the entire tournament. It's a 16 player invitational.
So your saying they never re-oil the lanes at all during the tournament ?
If that the same oil from the start of the match, I'm gonna have to call BS.
Theres no way BELMONTE could play that line with a Special Agent with 525rpms on the ball if that the same oil from the very start of the tournament.
Found this info on the website:
Each match will be played over two games with the bowler
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When faced with a difficult situation, Jesus asks himself, "What would Chuck Norris do?"
Robo-Arm bowlers SUCK...
Post by: Siniak on September 19, 2007, 06:19:41 AM
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So your saying they never re-oil the lanes at all during the tournament ?
No I'm just saying they used that same lane for every match of the tournament, since you commented that they might have increased scoring capabilities for the tv lane.
I have no idea how often they reoiled the lane.
Edited on 9/19/2007 6:20 AM
Post by: The Ratpack on September 19, 2007, 06:36:33 AM
To settle any confusion they bowl all the games on the single lane and the lane is re-oiled after every match, all matches are bowled over two games with the highest aggregate score winning.
Post by: Grayson on September 19, 2007, 06:58:42 AM
the rounds before that there might be a more difficult pattern...still this tournament as far as I remember was a 1on1 and so both players had the same conditions.
And in the end it should be entertaining so there is a point in getting scores higher... though I find it more entertaining when splits are converted. My 0.02.
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Post by: 302efi on September 19, 2007, 03:28:11 PM
There were both bowling on the same shot, same lanes ect..so its pretty fair. I
I was was just saying the they were wetup for higher socres.
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When faced with a difficult situation, Jesus asks himself, "What would Chuck Norris do?"
Robo-Arm bowlers SUCK...
Post by: Jock on September 20, 2007, 04:45:38 AM
In the final the scores (over two games) were:-
Jason Belmonte 566 - Paul Moor 524!!
Jason had a tournament average of 260.375!
Both players had to work hard to reach the title match as Moor defeated Biboy Rivera (Philippines), Alex Liew (Malaysia) and Remy Ong (Singapore), while Belmonte ousted Jens Nickel (Germany), Badr Al Sheikh (Saudi Arabia) and defending champion Chris Barnes (United States).
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Post by: APheLion on September 20, 2007, 10:59:04 AM
the bowlers that u see are not just good bowlers, they are pretty much the number ones in their places. plus, the use brand new twisted pins, another factor that might prevent high scores
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I'm not saying it wasnt a fair match, I'm just saying that the lane was a little "fixed" for some higher scores
There were both bowling on the same shot, same lanes ect..so its pretty fair. I
I was was just saying the they were wetup for higher socres.
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Roto-Grip
When faced with a difficult situation, Jesus asks himself, "What would Chuck Norris do?"
Robo-Arm bowlers SUCK...
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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment
When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.
Post by: 302efi on September 20, 2007, 11:08:47 AM
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plus, the use brand new twisted pins, another factor that might prevent high scores
Well according to Twister pins website (http://"http://www.bowling-pin.com/content/scorability.htm"), I found this information:
"This means scoring levels remain the same and bowlers can expect the same pin action from day one"
So the new pins are not a factor.
Not saying these guys are not good, they bowl for a living, but nobody else sees the back curtian as problem in this match ?..lol
Just watch a few of the replays in slow-mo of the strikes, observe the carry....Look a little "much" ?
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When faced with a difficult situation, Jesus asks himself, "What would Chuck Norris do?"
Robo-Arm bowlers SUCK...
Post by: APheLion on September 21, 2007, 08:34:55 AM
the companies are all about marketing, i believe more in the pros that plays the game to make a living
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plus, the use brand new twisted pins, another factor that might prevent high scores
Well according to Twister pins website (http://"http://www.bowling-pin.com/content/scorability.htm"), I found this information:
"This means scoring levels remain the same and bowlers can expect the same pin action from day one"
So the new pins are not a factor.
Not saying these guys are not good, they bowl for a living, but nobody else sees the back curtian as problem in this match ?..lol
Just watch a few of the replays in slow-mo of the strikes, observe the carry....Look a little "much" ?
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Roto-Grip
When faced with a difficult situation, Jesus asks himself, "What would Chuck Norris do?"
Robo-Arm bowlers SUCK...
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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment
When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.
Post by: oilhog2 on October 06, 2007, 07:04:50 PM
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Post by: oilhog2 on October 06, 2007, 07:06:47 PM
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high game 288
high series 717
pearl uranium
hybrid dirty bomb
H2O
super carbide bomb
tsunami H2O
red XXXL
cobalt
Post by: chitown on November 21, 2007, 06:30:56 PM
Still it's a great feat to shoot that many strikes even on an easy pattern. These guys are obviously very good bowlers.
I still wonder why Belmonte won't bowl in the PBA?
Post by: Xfest on November 21, 2007, 06:37:24 PM
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Post by: chitown on November 21, 2007, 06:45:09 PM
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Isn't this a little older?
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Post by: walterrayseggs on November 22, 2007, 09:02:47 PM