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LyalC52

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Bowlmor story
« on: December 29, 2016, 01:47:35 PM »
note: I've never bowled in a Bowlmor center

http://nbr.com/2016/12/23/how-i-made-my-millions-bowlmor-amf/
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Re: Bowlmor story
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2016, 07:51:27 AM »
Just think, that extra driving time is somewhat offset by the amount of time you're stuck waiting when lanes break down every week. I agree don't quit on your team and league in the middle of the season but next year? Go for it. Nobody should have to be constantly frustrated when doing something that should be something enjoyable. We don't have enough time for that.

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This is incredibly on point take.  Very well stated.   :)

I love the game so I would drive the extra bit if I had to (fortunately I don't but I can empathize with those who do) just out of pure love of the game. 
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Re: Bowlmor story
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2016, 07:52:47 AM »
If you want to be mad at someone....be mad at the people who do not re-invest in their business. They run it into the ground and in the end hurt bowling. It happens in many different businesses including restaurants.

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This is a good point as well.
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Re: Bowlmor story
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2016, 10:40:42 AM »
Shannon is to some degree a scumbag and opportunist, but to his credit he's a good businessman. He recognized the unalterable change in social tastes and demographics, and he's successfully found a business model to take advantage of the new world order.
 
Recreational bowlers are willing to spend big bucks for the right experience. While I'm paying a buck a game for practice at the PBA rate, the lane next to me has four crazed "for fun" bowlers paying 5-7 bucks per game apiece. On top of that they've spent big $$$ for alcohol and food sitting on the top table for consumption between shots. It doesn't take a genius to figure out which customer the house is going to cater to. I'm enjoying my low rate while it lasts, which I don't expect to be forever.
 
Bowlmor (and the equivalent) is the future. As "real" bowlers, we obviously don't like it. But it is what it is. Enjoy league/completive bowling while it still exists.

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Re: Bowlmor story
« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2016, 10:41:54 AM »
It seems to me that Bowlmor doesn't really care about the league bowler and caters to the birthday parties, company parties and open bowling wit the flashing lights. I know in the house I bowl in they asked our league to transfer to another one a short distance away a couple of years ago thinking that they were really going to rack up on open bowling on the Friday nights when our league bowled but it was a flop and they asked us to come back and we did. At the start of league each year they promise the moon and don't deliver, the machines break down quite often and in some instances they will put open bowling on the lanes next to league which is a treat in itself. Also if you go in to practice you just never know what you will get sometimes no oil sometimes so much carry down no hook. In our area it seems to me that Bowl America is looking after the league bowler in a much more professional way and encourage league bowling where as I said earlier Bowlmor just doesn't.
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Re: Bowlmor story
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2016, 01:00:54 PM »
No more Proshop's in bowlmor centers in my area that I know of. Several Proshop's are in plaza, warehouse, and home garage locations these days....

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Re: Bowlmor story
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2016, 01:15:40 PM »
Na, it's all USBC's fault. I gave them $10, so I know they have plenty of money to fix all these problems.  ::)
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Re: Bowlmor story
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2016, 02:51:08 PM »
Na, it's all USBC's fault. I gave them $10, so I know they have plenty of money to fix all these problems.  ::)

 
LOL...  The real shame is that some would believe your tong-and-cheek statement.  :o

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Re: Bowlmor story
« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2016, 03:06:52 PM »
League and competitive bowling will always be around. The numbers will depend on many factors including the bowlers themselves.

Times have changed and bowling has to as well. Most people do not want to commit to 30 to 40 week leagues. New bowlers especially. League formats, tournament formats, length of seasons are all a big part of what has to be considered to maintain and grow new bowlers.

Keep doing what you always have and expects everyone else to change cannot continue to be bowlings motto.
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Re: Bowlmor story
« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2016, 03:49:03 PM »
League and competitive bowling will always be around. The numbers will depend on many factors including the bowlers themselves.

not necessarily;  there is a center in a relatively small coastal town.  about 2500 people live there.  this center refuses to host tournaments and has routinely cut the number the leagues they host, as they get so much open play that the open play+food+beer is just making them too much money and they actually believe (I have no way to know for 100% certainty) that they lose money to host leagues and tournaments.


Times have changed and bowling has to as well. Most people do not want to commit to 30 to 40 week leagues. New bowlers especially. League formats, tournament formats, length of seasons are all a big part of what has to be considered to maintain and grow new bowlers.

I agree on this; one of the centers that I bowl at these days broke up one of their leagues such that each third was a complete and distinct league season.  this was done partly to address complaints about length of season.  those leagues have a big waiting list as well.



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Re: Bowlmor story
« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2016, 05:55:36 PM »

I think the other thing that we need to take into consideration is our proximity to the current standing that bowling is in.

What I mean is that we are seeing this only how it relates to us in this country. So far, when we complain about BowlMor, and subsequently, the current state of league bowling in the USA, we are not taking into account how well it is doing overseas. Cases in point: reference how well it is going in Europe, the middle east, China, and especially Japan. When we take those regions into perspective with our own, does it really look so bleak?

My understanding is that Qubica/AMF is a different entity altogether than that of AMF/Bowlmor, just as Brunswick is a different entity than BrunswickZone/Bowlmor. If so, how is league bowling faring at those alleys versus Bowlmor?

For example, and while a lot of this is for show, when you look at a QubicaAMF house:

https://www.qubicaamf.com/plan-your-bowling-project/gallery

or a Brunswick house:

http://www.brunswickbowling.com/photo-gallery/view-all/

How is league bowling looking? I know it's definitely thriving at two of the alleys listed: Kingpins in Portland, OR, and Sun Valley Lanes in Lincoln, NE. But what about the others and everywhere else outside the US?

My point here is that we are staying so US-centric that we are drowning in our despairs due to the state of bowling in our own region and not seeing the big picture worldwide.

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Re: Bowlmor story
« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2016, 06:30:38 PM »
Qubica and Brunswick Bowling are bowling center equipment suppliers, not bowling center operators.

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Re: Bowlmor story
« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2016, 10:16:25 AM »
I feel for all of you who have bowled in the past or currently at Bowlmor/AMF/Brunswick centers where Tom Shannon's model of party/boutique bowling is the future.
But, I can tell you based on my experience while traveling all over this wonderful country 6 months of every year, that both league and open bowling are cohabitating together and doing just fine in the majority of centers I have bowled at.
I believe I read on BR in a post that Shannon's centers comprise about 8.5% of all active centers.  So his model in no way represents the majority of centers when it comes to deciding the future of bowling.
Understanding there are exceptions, I believe traditional bowling is alive & well in centers where the owners are investing in their centers making it a place that is attractive to be in for both league and open bowlers. As an example one of our local centers just invested 1M in what was a "dump" and dying.  Now it is a thriving center
with a 25% increase in leagues as well as a packed house with open bowling. 
Bottom line, I do not buy the "doom & gloom" for bowlings future in the USA.  To that point I will not be selling my league equipment anytime soon.

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Re: Bowlmor story
« Reply #28 on: December 31, 2016, 12:11:33 PM »
I do not buy the "doom & gloom" for bowlings future in the USA.  To that point I will not be selling my league equipment anytime soon.

 
I agree with most of your observations, and I too do not believe in "doom & gloom" for traditional league bowling. It will always exist at some level. But it will mostly be mixed handicap leagues where the social part is more important than the bowling itself.
 
Witnessing what I do in SoCal, the trend is not what you'd want to see. We have far more year round scratch league and sport league action than many other areas of the country. Heck, that kind of bowling is mostly dead throughout the US. But things locally aren't looking good. More than 50% of our better leagues are populated by 50+ year old bowlers. A lot of those are actually 60+ year olds. There simply are not enough younger bowlers coming up to keep these leagues alive once the older crowd dies off or hangs it up. It won't happen over night. It's going to be a gradual shrinking process over the next 10-15 years, but it will happen.
 
Competitive bowling will migrate to places like Las Vegas, which will host large tournaments with participants throughout the country. That trend is already in place and will pick up steam over time.
 
Everything we have now will still exist, it will just look different.
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Re: Bowlmor story
« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2016, 12:47:47 PM »
Steven,
Spot On; +1