Post by: cantbeatlane1 on May 19, 2010, 06:50:21 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFIj0jLRUjw
This is posted in a thread at BBE, but I wanted to post this here, also. Here is a short 3 shot video of me bowling. I know that my hand is on the outside part of the ball, and that the ball is too far from my left ankle. I want to work more of the inside part of the ball, and of course get it closer to my ankle, but I do not know how to implement these changes. Any advice will be greatly appreciated, and if you see anything else, point it out! That's what this is for!
Thanks,
Kevin.
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Post by: bighook69 on May 19, 2010, 02:57:34 PM
Post by: Good Times Good Times on May 19, 2010, 03:15:01 PM
As for the form, I agree you are spot on, tighten up the swing closer to you're ankle, get more under the ball. One thing i'd suggest is maybe a little deeper knee bend....
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Post by: cantbeatlane1 on May 19, 2010, 03:19:46 PM
I know sometimes people can be strong-worded, but I am welcome to criticism. After all, I am trying to get better. Thanks for the tip, I will work on that!
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Post by: Dan Belcher on May 19, 2010, 03:21:11 PM
Post by: OddBalls on May 19, 2010, 03:26:42 PM
Oh, you said "constructive"..nevermind...
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Post by: Good Times Good Times on May 19, 2010, 03:30:58 PM
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The best way to get your hand under the ball is to get your entire arm under the ball. Start your approach with your elbow tucked against your body, and keep it there. You won't have to think about keeping your hand under the ball because you'll already have your arm in a nice line supporting the weight of the ball and keeping the swing plane as simple and direct as possible. This should improve your accuracy and consistency and improve the way the ball rolls off your hand.
I agree with this! You seem to put the ball on a good trajectory to the break point, staying under it more is only going to improve that, and will give you more of a consistant move off the spot. When you let the arm get out there and around the ball (more mechanics than necessary), you leave a lot of opportunity for things to creep their way in. Condense it all down, remember: simpler sometimes = better.
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Post by: cantbeatlane1 on May 19, 2010, 03:35:34 PM
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Post by: sevenpin63 on May 19, 2010, 03:46:31 PM
It works for me.
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Post by: glssmn2001 on May 19, 2010, 04:23:18 PM
Post by: mainzer on May 19, 2010, 05:22:31 PM
Point you pointer finger (on your right hand) at your target on the lane, like say 3rd arrow, make a point of keeping it in the same position. It always helped me work the inside of the ball, gave me more power, better carry and angle to the pins.
It will feel pretty werid the first couple of times.
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Post by: TamerBowling on June 08, 2010, 08:16:35 PM
As a general tip, I would as another mentioned, recommend thinking about tucking the elbow. I liken it to the golf training tip, "if you can keep a towel tucked under your arm..."
That might be a bit of over-correction, but thinking about keeping your elbow close to the body will automatically enforce the hand staying under the ball because your forearm will be facing up naturally.
One comment about your video, you actually self-correct pretty well. One of the tell-tale signs of things going wrong is "chicken-winging". That''s when your elbow gets away from your body on the downswing and you get around the ball causing this "chicken-wing" effect. You come through the shot OK. It really isn''t too bad.
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Post by: AngloBowler on June 17, 2010, 06:41:27 AM
I'd echo the comments of everyone else, about getting the hand behind the ball more. The position of your hand at release is good, but the delivery would be stronger if you could move to that position as you release.
I would also try not to lift the ball so much. Your hand accelerates quite a bit after the ball comes off, a sign that you're muscling the ball, which will tend towards an inconsistent reaction. There is no really quick route to doing this, other than to try and soften the armswing after you let go of the ball. I liken it to imagining that you're drinking from a glass (in terms of hand position and speed of movement of the arm).
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Post by: Good Times Good Times on June 17, 2010, 07:56:13 AM
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Post by: completebowler on June 17, 2010, 08:10:10 AM
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The best way to get your hand under the ball is to get your entire arm under the ball. Start your approach with your elbow tucked against your body, and keep it there. You won't have to think about keeping your hand under the ball because you'll already have your arm in a nice line supporting the weight of the ball and keeping the swing plane as simple and direct as possible. This should improve your accuracy and consistency and improve the way the ball rolls off your hand.
Dan's got it. Your set up is too far open with your elbow even wanting to get behind you in the third shot. This doesn't help to work the inside of the ball...it is what cause you to get your hand (actually everything) worked around to the out side of the ball. If you can get your elbow planted in your abdomen it will help.
Here are some videos that include some drills....check it out. Best coach around imo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZX9H4-baio&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UbdJDovHqw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NatVEaDuvIY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTT2tMRhyQU&feature=related
The second one addresses your biggest hitch imo but all of them are great to watch and then to work on when you practice.
I have done 3-4 clinics with Duke and Voss. True ambassadors of the game and they LOVE to teach.
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Post by: completebowler on June 17, 2010, 08:15:12 AM
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Looks decent. Nice and fluid.
I'd echo the comments of everyone else, about getting the hand behind the ball more. The position of your hand at release is good, but the delivery would be stronger if you could move to that position as you release.
I would also try not to lift the ball so much. Your hand accelerates quite a bit after the ball comes off, a sign that you're muscling the ball, which will tend towards an inconsistent reaction. There is no really quick route to doing this, other than to try and soften the armswing after you let go of the ball. I liken it to imagining that you're drinking from a glass (in terms of hand position and speed of movement of the arm).
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That accleration at the bottom is fine....as long as it occurs at the bottom....not from the top of the backswing all the way through. This is the definition of muscling the ball. Telling him to soften the swing after release is a bad tip...it will lead to lack of follow through and short-arming the ball. It is the opposite...soften EVERYTHING ELSE until the bottom of the swing....then accelerate.
Take a look at the videos I posted for him....Duke addresses exactly what I am saying. And your right, it is very hard to get a feel for it.
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Post by: AngloBowler on June 17, 2010, 10:08:13 AM
All I did was offer some advice on something I thought could help, reduce inconsistency in ball reaction, which it can. To declare by fiat that hitting the ball at the bottom of the downswing is "the" way to bowl, because Norm Duke says so, is the most transparent appeal to authority I think I've ever witnessed.
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Post by: milorafferty on June 17, 2010, 10:32:21 AM
Essentially, it means that from the beginning of your swing to the release point, your ring finger should be in front of your index and middle fingers. Once you learn this technique, it will solve a lot of the problems with coming around the side of the ball, chicken winging etc.
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Post by: completebowler on June 17, 2010, 01:28:08 PM
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Maybe we could act like there's more than one way of bowling, perhaps?
All I did was offer some advice on something I thought could help, reduce inconsistency in ball reaction, which it can. To declare by fiat that hitting the ball at the bottom of the downswing is "the" way to bowl, because Norm Duke says so, is the most transparent appeal to authority I think I've ever witnessed.
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There is more than one way to bowl. No doubt.
I wasn't trying to attack you, just pointing out that my opinion of your advice is that it is an incorrect approach. I don't know of any coach that would advise someone to "soften their follow through".
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Post by: Mighty Buffalo on June 17, 2010, 02:16:36 PM
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Post by: completebowler on June 17, 2010, 02:27:14 PM
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I know that for myself, softening my release is an adjustment that I make. The grip it and rip it way isn't always there for me to score with, sometimes a little finesse is needed, and more of just letting the ball do the work. It is times like this that I will soften my release and maybe not turn the ball as much, or put as much finger in as I normally do.
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That is different. You are still accelerating through the bottom of the swing...it is mandatory. What you are saying is that at times you try to accelerate less.
And in the video's I linked nor in what I said is anyone talking about the "grip it and rip it" approach.
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Post by: AngloBowler on June 18, 2010, 06:25:06 AM
quote:(My emphasis)
You are still accelerating through the bottom of the swing...it is mandatory
My coach, for one, would say that you don't need to accelerate through the bottom of the swing. I don't see how you can concede that there is more than one way of bowling in one sentence, and then say what I've quoted above.
I shan't labour the point where I'm not welcome though. Good luck to the OP.
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Post by: GrinderMan on June 18, 2010, 06:27:10 AM