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DizzyFugu --- video and inquiry for pushaway suggestions
« on: October 10, 2007, 01:35:40 AM »
Hi there,

it was about time to make a nother video check of mine (and test new equipment with a better resolution), so I made some video shots of myself at my (deserted) club house from various angles and some slomo-sequences:

http://media.putfile.com/Style-study-Oct-2007

Overall I am quite content, since I managed to move my body's CG further back, avoid too much bend of the upper body upon release and get away from a planted final step to some real slide that has improved both balance and leverage during the release. Ball reaction and carry have improved considerably during the past 6 months.

The only thing that worries me (a little) and where I am looking for some opinions is the timing of my pushaway - I perform a 5-step-approach, and it feels as if I start my pushaway in time with the 2nd step.
But the video tells something else, I seem to ba a tad late, or too fast with me feet? Well, since I can wait in/after the slide at the foul line for the ball to come forward, this is IMHO not a big problem, early timing would surely be worse, but I am not sure if I should do something about it?

Any comments or suggestions are welcome! Thanks a lot in advance
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Edited on 10/10/2007 9:36 AM
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Re: DizzyFugu --- video and inquiry for pushaway suggestions
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2007, 10:11:49 AM »
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Dizzy! I think you should follow the advice from jfirpo. It's spot on.

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Yes, he is indeed. I already tried to get the ball lower in the adress position and during the pushaway. I also studies the video over and over again, and the exagerrated upward movement is the cause for the timing problem. It causes an delay in the swing, which is out of sync with the feet and forces me to psh the swing once it goes forward. O.K., this works, somehow, but it is not fluent, and jfirpo just hit the nail.

I am forcing myself now push the ball rather for- and downwards, so that the elbow becomes straight and the ball does not "fall" into the swing - and so far this seems to be a good change, because I feel I play more consistently, hitting my target much easier than with the high pushaway movement.

Again, many thanks to all and their input!
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Re: DizzyFugu --- video and inquiry for pushaway suggestions
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2007, 10:45:29 AM »
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simply start your ball at the same time as your very first step and let everything else take care of itself at the line!

Bingo!
Everyone should use 4 step in my opinion.
5 step is a waste, and 1 more variable to account for.

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Re: DizzyFugu --- video and inquiry for pushaway suggestions
« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2007, 02:19:30 PM »
5 step can help with timing - in my first training sessions my coach tried to make me 4 steps, but I never got the timing right between feet and pushaway. The additional 5th trigger step was and is a great help for me to get into overall motion. I tried 4 steps along the way several times, but the results were not convincing to me - but that's just me and being used to 5 steps (even though this takes much space on the approach I sometimes could better use for some overall speed on the way to the foul line).
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Re: DizzyFugu --- video and inquiry for pushaway suggestions
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2007, 02:41:26 PM »
its not really that hard, just push out on the first step.
Take even, medium steps.
You'll muscle the ball less.

You'll be a better bowler fot it, less variables to account for.
..and your timing will never get screwed up.

"When you're pushing, you're going."
"No Muscles"
Thats what I tell my students.
Once you go to 4 step, you'll wonder why 5 ever felt right.
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Re: DizzyFugu --- video and inquiry for pushaway suggestions
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2007, 02:59:28 AM »
Dizzy,

Greetings!

What part of Germany are you in?  I am over in the Kaiserslautern/Saarbrucken area.  

I had the same problem for a bit with wanting to force the ball up in my pushaway (bad coaching at the time). Now i am more loose and let the ball fall into the swing at the proper time. For me the pushway starts on the mid-end of the second step to get the ball at the hip at my third step as Jfirpo stated.  That is my timing key and it is a good reference for me to get back into "time" when I someone mess up my timing...

Hope this helps !

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Re: DizzyFugu --- video and inquiry for pushaway suggestions
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2007, 09:15:14 AM »
Hey Dizzy,

Im too lazy to read all the previous posts so if my suggestion was already discussed, i apologize. Right from the start, when you set yourself up on the approach there is a problem. You are starting your arm motion with the ball up at your head, and then you are pushing the ball out (away from your body) before you start to bring it down into the swing.

Try to work on getting your starting position with the ball into a lower more comfortable position. I usually start with my ball level with my belly button, or keeping my elbow bent at a 90* angle to my shoulder (which is parallel to my body), and then i raise and lower my starting position a little bit depending on if i need to throw harder or softer. Im sure you watch the PBA, almost every player on tour has a starting position around the area of their belly button.

As for the push away from the body, that technique is no longer taught. When i was down in Florida at the Kegel Training Center they taught me this. They said that you want to turn your arm swing into a "Hinge". If you look at a door hinge, it never pushes away before it starts its range of motion (arm swing pendulum), it just goes into its movement. That is what you want to try to get your arm into doing. What you want to do is since you take 5 steps, on your second step, drop the ball directly into the arm swing. Dont push out even a little bit, just drop it into the pendulum. It is going to feel very awkward at first, i know because i myself used to do that and now stopped.

Anyway, its a good thing that you are so determined to get better. I wish more people were like you in that sense. Good luck with the change.

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Re: DizzyFugu --- video and inquiry for pushaway suggestions
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2007, 04:50:31 AM »
Wow, thanks a lot for all the replies, I never thought to receive that much constructive criticism!

Again, MANY thanks to everyone who helped out - it made pinpointing the "next steps to success" much easier for me, and I am working on it right now

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Re: DizzyFugu --- video and inquiry for pushaway suggestions
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2007, 05:00:54 PM »
Well, after some time I should give some feedback. I haven't been able to do another video, but two things helped me much forward:
1) holding the ball lower (at waist height) and doing a rather forward than upward movement wehn initaiting my pushaway. It takes much hurry and upper body bouncing out of the equation.
2) keeping the shoulders straight. Yesterday I took part in a team tournament of hobby/employee bowlers, and just after two 9/ frames I recognized that my shoulder was a bit too open. I focussed on some real square shoulders throughout the delivery - and dang! 8 in a row and a 264 game, a personal record and probably the highest of the 28 team match! Only a split in the 11th frame slowed me down. Great, great bowling, and I feel that just with minor adjustments there is still so much potential to uncover

Again, many thanks for your suggestions! It paid out
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