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Title: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: Inferno_256 on May 02, 2007, 07:41:09 AM
Total NV is drilled with a 6" pin under middle finger with MB at 45 deg at 4000grit plus polish.
The One is drilled with a 5-1/2" pin over bridge with MB at 60deg at 2000grit and polish.

The oil pattern is a 39ft long med-heavy sport shot

Here's the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vygeZeVWsBA

Enjoy
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Title: Re: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: rymacatthedisco on May 02, 2007, 05:52:08 PM
great form...i think you throw the ball very well...i wanna no wut psort pattern that is, cuz i wanna bowl that, it looked like cake to me, the shots you got inside still went out and came right back and then the shots you leaked right a lil bit still flew back to the hole...the sport patterns we bowl for college are no where near like that, lol...but very nice video and it was nice to see it
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Title: Re: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: APheLion on May 02, 2007, 06:28:04 PM
nice roll u put there on the ball

but i doubt if thats a real sport shot, it looks like house shot with some oil

the reason why i think is that is by watching the last 4 shots, first 2 of the last 4 were pretty much identical, but the next one u missed outside and it came back pretty hard, then the last one was perfect again so u got high flush.

anyway nice video
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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment

When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.
Title: Re: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: Inferno_256 on May 02, 2007, 07:38:52 PM
out of the last 4 the First two were the Total NV the next two after that were the  One where i was playing further right on the lane that with the TNV. That last shot was high flush because i missed the target two boards inside. Our house shot is a certified sport shot, i just make it look easy
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Michael Makela
Thunder Bay, Ontario Canada
http://www.tenpin.org/ybc.html#no

www.mjbt.org
Title: Re: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: APheLion on May 02, 2007, 07:45:35 PM
ohhh lol

i was paying more attention to the ball path rather than the ball

does ur house always put a sport shot? or its when u ask for it?
and wheres that house? near toronto?
(i live in ontario)

edit: i just watched ur old video again, did i mention before that ur approach looks like TJ?
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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment

When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.

Edited on 5/2/2007 7:46 PM
Title: Re: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: Inferno_256 on May 02, 2007, 07:53:27 PM
We put down Sport for everything. The house is Mario's Bowl it's in Thunder Bay, in Northern Ontario
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Michael Makela
Thunder Bay, Ontario Canada
http://www.tenpin.org/ybc.html#no

www.mjbt.org
Title: Re: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: APheLion on May 02, 2007, 08:41:50 PM
just looked on google map, wow thats too far away from kitchner/waterloo
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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment

When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.
Title: Re: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: Luke909 on May 02, 2007, 09:00:37 PM
I can back it up that it's definitely a sport shot, bowled there twice this year. A 155 ave and a last place at YBC back in April and a 177 ave and a 2nd place at CTF that I never should have got. All because all we have in my city is cake shots. But anyways nice video Mike good luck at YBC Nationals.
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Title: Re: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: Word Warrior on May 02, 2007, 11:31:22 PM
Inferno and Luke r u goin to the Canadian National Championships in Montreal on the 16th??

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Title: Re: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: apocalyptic_rabbit on May 03, 2007, 12:50:57 AM
Hey guys

I also bowl @ Mario's in Thunder Bay, as well as work there.

Here is a scan of the most recent lane graph I could get.

Don't know how to read it but I am told it counts as a sport shot.

May you rip into as your lesiure

http://iansbowling.dnsalias.org/Bowling/Mario'sLanegraph.jpg
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Title: Re: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: APheLion on May 03, 2007, 01:18:04 AM
can some1 explain that graph?

from my understanding, that pattern has dry outside, kinda like a house shot

but again, im learning so correct me if im wrong
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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment

When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.
Title: Re: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: Inferno_256 on May 03, 2007, 03:00:22 AM
the graph says that the oil is very flat in the front part of the and then later on the amount of oil on the outside goes down.

To find the ratio you take the average amount of oil on the sides R3-7 and L3-7board and the middle R18-L18board. Divide the middle average by the side average and you get the ratio.

For our pattern here are the averages taken using the amount of oil from the 15ft spot and the 37ft spot (USBC states two feet before end of pattern and 22ft, we have one done at 15ft instead of 22ft but this should still be accurate enough)
Right ave: 10.08
Left ave: 11.585
combined side ave: 10.83
Middle: 20
20/10.83=1.84
ratio: 1.84:1
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Michael Makela
Thunder Bay, Ontario Canada
http://www.tenpin.org/ybc.html#no

www.mjbt.org
Title: Re: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: KCarter069 on May 03, 2007, 10:39:49 PM
who cares if the shots walled up, the kid can bowl...throws the ball damn good too
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Title: Re: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: wulfpackbwlr on May 04, 2007, 06:59:06 AM
I would like to point out that a sport shot can play almost as easy as ths.  Dont get me wrong, Inferno_256 throw a heck of a ball, but I've seen and bowled on an easy sport condition.  Should I point out that A couple years back the high average for a sport league was 230+.  Knowing some of the guys that bowled on it and see how they usually average on a sport condition such as this year, a pattern can be compliant yet boost your average by a ton.  I'm talking 20+ pins.  And yes, these were certified as well.
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Title: Re: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: Inferno_256 on May 04, 2007, 03:40:49 PM
Our shot is certified sport, I think your forgetting that the front half of the pattern is nearly flat it's not only until the very end of the pattern where the oil goes down to a 4:1 ratio. Missing outside by more than a board is OB but there is a small hold spot on the inside maybe two boards. The backend reaction can be explained by the 500rpm rev rate and aggressive balls.

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Michael Makela
Thunder Bay, Ontario Canada
http://www.tenpin.org/ybc.html#no

www.mjbt.org
Title: Re: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: wulfpackbwlr on May 04, 2007, 06:12:17 PM
I don't believe anyone is bashing your bowling.  We're just saying that though it is a certified sport shot that from the video you have more than a 2 board area.  You throw a good ball, there's no doubting that.  everyone's commenting on the shot.
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Title: Re: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: TWOHAND834 on May 04, 2007, 06:28:18 PM
Here is a question.  Was the shot being bowled on a FRESH sport shot or had it been bowled on before you started?  If it was not fresh, someone before him could have burned a track outside creating that "area" on the lane.  It is just a thought but great form and ball roll.
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Title: Re: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: Inferno_256 on May 04, 2007, 07:32:26 PM
The shot was bowled on by the little kids from the youth league and then i bowled for about 30min on them before i shot the video. When i start bowling i play as close to the gutter as i can so around 4-5board breakpoint in order to create and outside hooking area later on. Then i move in and play the break point around 6-7board this ends up giving me a hook spot on the outside and a hold spot inside.
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Thunder Bay, Ontario Canada
http://www.tenpin.org/ybc.html#no

www.mjbt.org
Title: Re: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: leftehh- LG on May 04, 2007, 08:13:17 PM
yeah some sport can play pretty easy while other give u no room. this looks like one of the easier ones.
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Title: Re: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: spinner031 on May 04, 2007, 09:08:55 PM
Jesus!  That's a sport shot?  What kind of cheater-oriented, burnt up track are you running in your oiler, man?
Title: Re: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: Inferno_256 on May 04, 2007, 10:54:47 PM
your not serious are you

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www.mjbt.org
Title: Re: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: zdfuhsdsbdbd on May 05, 2007, 10:53:24 AM
Regardless of what it is, that much friction outside would make a pro average 270. Look how wide his ball track is on the lane, about 5 boards. You don't need any accuracy when you have that much friction. Do that on a US Open condition, and then I will be sold.
Title: Re: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: Inferno_256 on May 05, 2007, 07:04:43 PM
During the summer our house will sometimes put down a 42ft flat pattern, I'll make a video of that, you'll be surprised on how big the backends will be when u play the lanes right and have a high rev rate.

Secondly this is a real and legit sport pattern, what part of certified don't you understand. I bowl in Minnesota sometimes where there's a block everywhere i go and that is way different than our shot. I think you guys are overestimating how hard sport shots are, there is always a way to play the lanes in order to create an area. If you are good enough and can repeat shots you will create a hook spot eventually. When you spray the ball around the lanes break down unpredictably and you will not be able to create an area to play in.

I don't get why it's so hard to believe that this is a sport pattern how many shots did I miss really wide and came back and ripped the rack. Watch closely if you see the ball going a little right it comes in half pocket when its a little left its high flush, there were no big misses. Also keep in mind that i am playing two balls on different lines the TNV over 16 out to 7 and The One 2/2 right playing over 14 out to 5. Watch the last angle where you can see which board the ball crosses and they are all very consistent, the biggest miss i make is the very last shot when i pull The One two boards inside and i come high flush.
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Thunder Bay, Ontario Canada
http://www.tenpin.org/ybc.html#no

www.mjbt.org
Title: Re: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: Inferno_256 on May 05, 2007, 11:34:02 PM
Trust me this is not an easy shot there is not alot of room out there, it may look like theres a big track area on the outside but you can only use that if your ball isn't sliding when it gets there. In the front part of the lane its nearly flat. For one your ball wont suddenly hook when it gets to that track area which is pretty slick to begin with if your ball can't pick up soon enough. If you don't have alot of revs it won't pick up. I'm used to it i've been bowling on it my whole life. You can either rev the ball up like crazy and put smooth onto the lane so it reads earlier, throw it very straight (straight up 10 is very common), or use real aggressive equipment and nearly every here sands there balls to 600grit. When we have provincials here the people who come in from the Sue who have a cake shot complain because there balls won't hook and that the outsides are way to slick. About lane surface i bowled on the 1&2 pair on the low end of the house. Low end has bigger backends, high end can get real tight.
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Michael Makela
Thunder Bay, Ontario Canada
http://www.tenpin.org/ybc.html#no

www.mjbt.org
Title: Re: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: renoatpikeville on May 06, 2007, 12:16:21 AM
Inferno, how many games did you bowl on that pair during your video? Total shots--the ones that made it on video and before the video.

thanks
Title: Re: Total NV and The One on a sport shot
Post by: Inferno_256 on May 06, 2007, 12:49:19 AM
There was the youth league that bowled on them, plus i bowled maybe 30 shots before the video. I taped maybe 20shots for the video, so 50 total. I started at 14 out 6, and filmed the video playing 15 out to 7 and the very last set of shots i move in again to 16 to 7. Keep in mind the One is always played 2/2 right of the TNV.
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Thunder Bay, Ontario Canada
http://www.tenpin.org/ybc.html#no

www.mjbt.org