Post by: admin on December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM
Technology – Hook Potential Scale Expanded
Advanced Particle Technology and a new core system have resulted in the Goliath, the highest hook potential ball in Brunswick’s history. Brunswick’s Hook Potential Scale, formerly 10 – 150, has been expanded to
10 – 175 to accommodate the 160 Hook Potential rating of the Goliath.
Medium RG: Goliath’s new inverted bell core system is a medium RG design that is a perfect match to the Goliath high traction coverstock. High traction coverstocks can roll too early when combined with lower RG cores. The Goliath core helps create mid-lane recovery and a strong arcing backend reaction.
Medium RG Differential: With an RGdiff. of 0.044 the Goliath Inverted Bell Core System will provide plenty of track flare for most bowlers without encountering the problems associated with over-flaring.
New Particle Coverstock: Goliath’s High-Load Particle coverstock is the result of extensive R&D and six years of particle coverstock development. These experiences have combined to produce a coverstock that significantly improves particle ball performance. Compared to Brunswick’s previous mid-price particle offerings, the Goliath has both a higher hook potential and a more skid/snap arc. Bowlers will find that these performance enhancements result in a particle ball with greater room for error and improved pin carry on many lane conditions.
400-grit wet sand finish: Goliath is finished dull to increase its hooking action in the oil.
Reaction Characteristics
Out of the box: With its 400-grit wet sand surface the Goliath is an ideal heavy oil ball. The high-load particle coverstock increases traction and hooking action in the oil, reducing skid and maximizing playability in heavy oil.
When shined: Using Brunswick’s Factory Finish High Gloss Polish the total hooking action of the Goliath can be reduced to a more moderate hook potential and the arc made more skid/snap. Changing the surface finish in this way allows the Goliath to be used to smooth the over/under reactions seen with Reactive coverstock balls on medium volume wet/dry lane conditions. With its new particle coverstock, even high RPM players with be able to use the Goliath shined to smooth wet/dry lane conditions while avoiding the early hooking action associated with many high load particle balls.
Coverstock
High Load Particle
Color: Deep Purple
Hardness: 76-78
Factory Finish
400-Grit Wet Sand
More Information
Core Dynamics
RG Max: 2.590â€
RG Min: 2.546â€
RG Diff: 0.044â€
RG Avg: 4.8
Performance
Hook Potential: 160
Length: 45
Breakpoint Shape: 45
Available Weights
10-16 Pounds
Post by: kps835 on August 13, 2004, 08:42:11 PM
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Post by: Monster Stitch on August 30, 2004, 04:21:48 PM
Specs:
14lbs 4oz
3 inch pin
3 oz top weight
Drilled: 4 x 2 with the x hole one inch below his PAP.
Pin above the fingers
He's left handed, high track player, throws 13 to 15 mph and has a low rev rate.
Lanes:
Brunswick HPL Synthetics
Oil 35 feet 1 to 1
Clean Backend/Freshly Oiled
My dad needed a particle ball when the Lanes were heavily oiled up front with clean backends. He had a Ultimate Inferno for an oil ball but the ball would skid then rev up in the mid lane and then start to roll up in the back only. Plus with a bowler with a low rev rate it was difficult for him.
So it was between getting him a Raging Inferno and Goliath. Since the Raging does rev up but is a Pearl Partice i figure the ball would still rev early but still slide a little in front. So with the help of Brunswick Rep RIC HAMLIN, he suggested to try the NEW Goliath.
I picked one up instantly and punched it out. Right away when my dad threw it you can see the ball start to rev very early. The ball would have a look of a snap/arc and when it hit the pins it kept driving keeping the pins really low. When he went light the pins would scatter keeping the pins on deck with a nice mixture.
This is the first ball that i have seen that has really worked out for him in the oil. I trully recommend this ball for any type of player. It would be a good ball to have in the bag when that fresh pattern is present.
Good going Brunswick and keep up the good work.
Thanks RIC HAMLIN for the advice!
Post by: BAPS_Eric on September 26, 2004, 07:31:42 PM
I bought the Goliath because of the fact I have a faster ball speed and our house had just put down brand-new Pro-Anvil lanes. Everyone in the house was having problems with their reaction......including myself. I also work in the Pro-Shop and had experimented with a couple of different theories......but of course to no avail. I also had to slow my current ball way down......probably close to 1 to 1 and half mph.....so I started doing some research on particle balls.....and the Goliath is what I was lead to everytime......mostly because of the skid/snap in the ball......most particle balls as we know catch very early and lose power going down the lane.......OH BUT NOT THE GOLIATH.......It stores more energy than any other particle ball I have ever seen......I bought a Flipside WOW Pearl about 3 months before the Goliath and am about ready to sell it (hahahaha)........The drill pattern that I put on it is.......1/4 in Label Shift with the pin directly under the ring finger......Golden Oval lifts......and the out of box finish......(WHO WOULD WANT TO CHANGE IT!!!!!).....The ball came out with 1/8 oz positive side weight and 3/8 oz finger weight......Oh almost forgot to mention the pin was only 1 3/4 in away from the pin.......I Love this ball and have recommended it (and the Nemesis) to many of my customers........This ball is price effective and Game effective........Brunswick keep up the great work and keep those mid priced reactive balls coming!!!!!!
Post by: TheKruncher on October 15, 2004, 02:48:09 PM
Post by: Garcia on October 30, 2004, 05:21:56 AM
Coverstock - slightly shined
Of all the heavy load particles Ive owned theres only been 2 that Ive had success with, the Apex Obsession and the original red Predator. The Goliath mite be my new favorite. When most reactives are too flippy, this ball shines. It rolls EXTREMELY heavy after the first 15 feet, doesnt waste alot of energy in the heads. I use stronger particles to go straighter when the fronts are slick. The drier the backends are, the better this ball looks. The hit is probably the best Ive seen from any heavy load particle, looks about 2ft wide on the backend.
Its a definite keeper for players that need this type of reaction.
Post by: CPA on November 08, 2004, 01:07:07 PM
Spec:
15 lbs
The pin is about 1" below and 1/2" right of the ring finger (I an righthanded)
Cover is in box condition.
The ball ended up with thumbweight.
I thought this ball would be pretty condition specific with this layout, but I wanted to create a reaction similar to the Brunswick Teal Pro Zone from several years ago.
The Goliath goes into an early roll, but there is no sign of it rolling out. The carry is very good. The reaction is an arc. Therefore high hits carry extremely well. What is surprising is how well the light hits carry. I won't list the scores I've had so far because even I can't believe them. This is the first Brunswick ball I've used in several years. I will now look to Brunswick first as I need to fill a hole in my arsenal.
Post by: B-Red Bowla on November 14, 2004, 01:47:27 AM
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Post by: jcherin300 on December 06, 2004, 08:54:08 PM
YOU CAN POLISH THIS BALL AND IT WORKS LIKE A SOLID REACTIVE. THUMBS UP!!!
Post by: Bob Hanson on December 21, 2004, 12:25:38 PM
Post by: jts1115 on January 14, 2005, 10:06:39 AM
Drilled this one up aggressively (sorry no specs to PAP) w/ a small axis hole for early roll. First 4 games out of the box hit like a Marshmallow, after she got some oil in the coverstock this ball seems to hit as hard as any ball I've ever owned, great recovery in the oil and a tamed reaction when it does touch the dry. When the heads go, put it AWAY. If you are looking for something to move in the soup, this is a ball to look at. High Performance at a moderate price
Post by: Dwight Albrecht on January 19, 2005, 11:17:49 PM
Ball Specs
The ball being drilled was a 2 1/2†pin out with 3.00 oz top weight.
Drilling: Pin 4" from PAP and Mb 4 1/2" from PAP (approximately 60 degrees) pin is below fingers, 1 3/4" above grip midline. Weight hole past axis pitched away at a 3 o'clock angle.
Bowler Information:
Track diameter is 10 1/2.
PAP is measured at 5 1/4 over and 3/8" up.
Average ball speed (foul line to head pin) is 17 mph.
Axis rotation is typically 45 degrees
Initial rev rate is typically 300 rpm, "Tweener"
Lane Condition and Pattern: AMF HPL Panels. AMF Bowlero lanes in Milwaukee. Home of the 2004 ABC Masters. Oiled to 45 feet clean backends. Oil Pattern tapered block dry outsides, 50+ units of oil on the inside.
REVIEW:
Generally I don't like high load particle balls because they tend to hook early and not finish on the backends. The Goliath is better at this. It clears the front part of the lane pretty easily, but does set up pretty early in the middle of the lane and has a smooth arc on the backend. Out of the box on the fresh oil pattern, (see above) the ball gave me the same line as my Hammer The Real Deal, except the real deal had more continuation on the backend, but overall a carbon copy ball to the Real Deal. I would like to see the Goliath "Lope" a touch more down the lane. The hit is like all Brunswick balls. Always Great. I would use this ball on a fresh oil pattern but with super snapping backends because this ball is so smooth on the last 15 feet. Truly a great ball for a low track player, (Spinner) or some looking for a high performance low priced ball. After 20 games, the ball has shown no quit on the backends just with general cleaning.
Compared to my other Balls:
The Hammer Real Deal: Similiar hook characteristics but less lope and less backend out of the Goliath.
Thanks for reading my review.
Dwight
Post by: bowlerofallbrands on March 11, 2005, 07:29:31 PM
I spoke with my proshop guy and we took it down to 320 grit, from the basic 400 from Brunswick. The ball just took off. It is now the first ball out of my bag and by far the most aggressive. The small surface difference made it an awesome ball. I highly recommend it to anyone wanting a HEAVY oil ball. Also, from what i've heard, you can really play with the surface and make it an awesome medium oil ball. Just work with the surface for the right fit for you and your game. An Absolutely Superior Ball.
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Post by: Robert P on March 25, 2005, 04:33:42 AM
41/2 x 31/2" drilling
Pin lined up under the ring finger
This ball really surprised me. I thought it would have set up a lot like my Swamp Monster. But this ball finishes a lot harder off the dry, harder than my Ultimate Inferno. Granted you have to bowl on some oil to get that strong reaction on the backend. If you want to open up the lane, this is the ball to do it with.
Lately I've been bowling with it polished, 400 grit then 10min in the Luster King. Its much more controlled but will still handle carrydown. And I'll say polished equipment never goes well with me. It either hits the dry to hard or skids forever. This is really a ball a lot of people looking for oil equipment should try. As long as you can get it to hold its line. Speed, turn, tilt, etc.
Post by: bluebladebowling on March 27, 2005, 09:21:52 PM
Drill:Stacked leverage
Pin:3 1/2"
Top weight:3oz.
Reason for purchase:Looking for something to counter soft backends.
Lane conditions thrown: Nationals(softer outsides, light carrydown)synthetics, synthetics(soft outsides, light to no carrydown), wood(soft outsides, no carrydown), wood(a soft version of THS), wood(THS), and no oil burnt toast.
I have to say that this ball has responded well to both hand changes and speed changes. On both dry and slick I could still find a shot. If you have trouble changing speeds, be ready to make a ball change quick. In my opinion the higher RG helps this ball store a good portion of energy even when the heads are burnt(as long as you can push the break point).
Heavy oil: A
THS: B
Burnt: B
Carrydown: A
Synthetics: B
Wood: B
Overall: If you can't control it don't throw it, and thats the truth with this ball. Its strong, it carrys well, and the core is what this coverstock needed. But have something for backup, please.
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Post by: bowlerofallbrands on December 22, 2005, 02:22:18 PM
To begin with, this ball is not the extreme heavy oil ball Brunswick made it out to be. It qualified as a Medium - Medium w/ carydown. 6 months later, it is suffering from Brunswick High Load Particle syndrome. I really don't think its much different from the Swamp Monster. It was a decent ball at first, but time takes it affect, and in a reativly short amount of it. The balls hooks less and less, providing weaker and weaker hits at the pins.
It is no longer the first ball out, but many times, simply the one I know will only hook a little, aiming it at odd multi-pin spares. I'll try everything I know how to save it, as it provied amazing carny and scores just 1 and 2 months prior, but I think it comes to a flaw with Brunswicks ideals on high load particles.
You CANT just rely on an aggressive coverstock and leave a more aggressive core the in the Groove than inside the Golitah and expect results. I did, and wasted money and a spot in my bag. I like the Inferno line, but fear that the lower price lines are suffering from speedy production and little research.
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Post by: gneissy on April 30, 2006, 09:22:30 PM
As for the reaction or lack there of on the ball in my honest and novice opinion is almost always due to how I release the ball. Seems if I hold the ball in the traditional 12 oclock/6 oclock and release with 9/3 position of the palm i hardly see any spin out of the ball it tends to spin well and then die at the breakpoint and go straight with the lane. This release for me could be useful if i want any corner pins on the right but useless for the drilling.
My other release which starts at 9/3 and finishes at 9/3 but with a lot more lift from my fingers seems to provide a nice smooth arcing motion out of the ball. Easy to throw to towards the right 10 board and watch it run back to the pocket. I can also bowl this ball over the first right arrow standing 5-10 board and watch this pick up 7 pins or gutter.
Before using my less favoured release I hardly saw spin and now that I made my adjustments this is doing what I wanted just wish to see how this handles flooded lanes next time i see them. Even in the dry it tends to move in the same motion no real overreaction then again im not a big turner of the ball and i keep my speed at a medium pace.
Also have noticed this particle ball is like an oil sponge. Soaks it all up as it rips down the lane and it will discolour the ball along the bowling track. Definately want to keep this ball clean and may want to sand it with a scotchbrite pad of similar grit to the original ball surface if you notice any loss of hook. Have noticed too the ball surface is real soft so dont over do any hand sanding.
Out of the box 10 games in bowled 4 200+ games the best being 254 and I must repeat if you don't figure out the right release for the ball forget about getting more then 150s. I have found out it will leave you wondering what they were on about in their ball chart and hook rating and thinking you wasted your money.
Post by: ttjakt on May 21, 2006, 09:39:26 PM
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GOOD NIGHT NOW !!!!!!!!!
Post by: tonykcgee on September 19, 2006, 06:37:07 PM
Well, if I were to compare meats and a good ball is equivalent to a Porterhouse, I would equate this ball to a rock!
Post by: Monster Stitch on September 21, 2006, 03:27:02 AM
15lbs
1.8 top
4 inch pin
http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=goliathnb5.jpg
Layout:
Pin above and right of ring, cg in middle of grip, Pin 4 inch from PAP
Condition: HPL Synthetics, 42 feet oil 1 to 1, stripped backends
This is the best Heavy oil with clean backend ball i have ever thrown. I know a lot of people try to compensate by using a dull reactive or polished ball to get the ball down the lane and control the backend with this type of condition. The Goliath is the perfect ball for this. You don't have to worry about the ball over hooking on the back because since this ball burns up so much energy in the front part of the lane that it is very tame when it hits the backend.
Weakness is carry down adn burnt heads.
The performance and hitting power is just amazing. A definite tournament ball.
Post by: insidedrive on October 16, 2006, 11:35:05 AM
Before I go into the review, one thing I want to stress about this ball is that it's more of an arcing ball than anything else. Those looking for skid snap may not get what they want from this ball. It rolls beautifully and once it arcs it never stops. I haven't seen this ball roll out even once. You need to give it time to get there though, I've slowed my ball speed down about .5mph to 1mph to let it rev up in the midlane.
House shot medium oil:
This ball can be a bit of a beast on medium oil. With it's hook potential it really thrives on medium-heavy oil. However, if you can handle an inside line, or keep a very tight outside line this ball will roll in beautifully everytime. I rarely came up high playing the outside line unless I pulled it and I surprisingly get really good length out of it for a particle coverstock. It hits very strong in the back end but can be touchy leaving a solid 10pin or a light 7pin. This ball rolls best on medium-heavy oil but on medium I'd give it an 8 out of 10.
Tournament shot heavy oil:
While it's rated as a heavy oil ball because of it's hooking power, this ball did not roll well for me in tournament heavy oil conditions. Even with me slowing down quite a bit (up to 2mph) it was tough to get a consistent aggressive reaction. I found the best line for this ball in heavy oil to be a very tight outside line. Right up 5-10 board with a solid 14.5-15mph ball speed and medium revs make this beauty hit hard. But miss by 1 board, or throw it too fast, and on heavy oil Goliath has a problem recovering. On heavy oil like tournament shots I would rate this ball 6.5 out of 10.
My final review comments, if you have a house with medium-light oil this ball works wonders with an inside line, or if you can handle it a very tight outside line. If you're working with some oil, stick to that outside line and let it work for you.
Hope this helps!
Post by: icefiction on July 26, 2008, 12:34:25 AM
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A new ball will never make u better nor will agruing constantly make u right so go practice and stop arguing.
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Post by: lane shark on September 17, 2010, 11:16:28 AM