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Title: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: admin on December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM
High Performance
- Coverstock: CFT (Chemical Friction Technology) 2.5 Reactive
- Color: Purple / Yellow
- Hardness: 75-76
- Factory Finish: 4000-Grit Micro Pad
- Weight Block: (14-16#) I-Block Two-component Asymmetrical Core
- RG max: 2.570
- RG int: 2.553
- RG min: 2.520
- RG diff: 0.050
- RG asym: 0.017
- Average RG: 4.4 of 10
- Hook Potential: 170 (Scale 10-175)
- Length: 100 (Scale 25-235)
- Typical Breakpoint Shape: 95 Angular (Scale Smooth Arc 10-Angular 100)
- Flare Potential: 0.050 High (Scale Low 0.00-High 0.060)
- Recommended Lane Condition: Medium-Oily
- Description: Coverstock: Chemical Friction Technology (CFT) 3.5
CFT 3.5 is the next evolution in Chemical Friction Technology. The CFT 3.5 coverstock has a higher friction factor than the original CFT 2.5, which quickens the response time, improves down lane traction and increases the overall hook.
Core: I-Block
The proven two-component asymmetrical I-Block core enhances the CFT 3.5 coverstock to create maximum forgiveness, strong entry angles along with versatile drilling layouts.
Ball Motion: With its 4000-grit micro pad finish, the C·(System) 3.5 offers a higher friction factor and increased response time to friction alternative than the original C·(System) 2.5. The new C·(System) 3.5 is best used on medium-oily to oily lane conditions when a quicker response motion is needed to increase entry angle to the pocket.
Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: JMORRIS on January 05, 2010, 05:15:36 PM
Bowler info:

Lefty
PAP 3 13/16 x 1 1/8 up
Speed Range - 17-20 mph @ pins
Rev Rate - 450+ est.

Layout:  45 x 4 3/4 x 45
Surface: box finish

I was able to use this ball today in league on a 40" THS. HPL Synthetic surface.

For me the C-System 3.5 revs earlier in the mid-lane then the C-System 2.5 and continues harder through the pin deck then the 2.5.

On this medium THS condition, the C-System 3.5 allowed me to move in and open up the lane.  From this line, my other equipment would not finish, but the 3.5 ripped through the rack.  Pin carry was incredible with this ball, which is a first for me in this house.

The C-System 3.5 will be a great addition to any arsenal.  It fits perfectly beftween my Siege and C-System 2.5.

Another winner from Brunswick available from your pro shop this month!

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Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: UpstateProShopChris on January 11, 2010, 10:35:12 PM
Ball Review: C System 3.5
Date: 01/11/10

Bowler Information:

Initial ball Speed: 16.5 - 17 mph
Tilt: 12 Degrees
Axis Rotation: 35 Degrees
Rev Rate: 300-350 RPMs

Coverstock - Chemical Friction Technology (CFT) 3.5
RG min - 2.520”
Differential - .050”

Drill Specs:
Pin to PAP - 4.5”
Degree From VAL: 35"
Vertical Pin Orientation: UP
Drill Angle - 55"


Surface:
Box 500/4000 Siaair Micropad

The C System 3.5 from Brunswick is quite simply a puzzle of scientific greatness.  This ball has the quickest response to friction of any Brunswick ball I have ever thrown or any ball I've ever thrown for that matter.  The quick friction response time is only a small part of what differentiates this ball from other balls on the market!  The C System 3.5 seems to be able to do what other quick response balls normally are not able to do, be predictable.  I can throw this ball out to the same area and no matter the condition of the backends it responds the same way every time.  This Brunswick release possesses predictability, a large amount of hook, and fantastic pin-crushing carry.  The C System 3.5 turns later than my Siege on our 40 foot house shot, and yet it covers about the same amount of lane.  It hooks around 5 boards more than my skid-flip Wild Thing, 3 boards more than my Evil Siege, and is more angular than all of the above.  This ball loves carrydown and seems to find a way to carry the backrow almost every time.  It responds well to changes in hand position and speed, while maintaining the same consistancy as the C System 2.5.  I used this ball for the majority of our three game league session with five-man teams this week.  I only had to move 4 and 3 the whole night!  That is simply not possible with any other ball in my bag.  The C System technology is the real deal.  With this ball you get angularity, consistancy, great carry, and plenty of hook!  It's time to go to your local proshop and get yah some "Science Friction"!
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Chris Garrett
Upstate Pro Shop
Greenville, SC - 1-866-490-9980
Upstateproshop@charter.net

PBA Member
Brunswick Regional Staff
Vise Regional Staff

The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation.
Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: Andyman3333 on January 12, 2010, 06:45:35 PM
Well, I haven't gotten a lot of games on this ball.  I got it in December and all I knew about it was that it was supposed to hook more than the 2.5 because there really wasn't any information on it when I got it except for the ball sheet in the box.    

I probably have about 6 games total on it (Didn't do much bowling over the holidays).  Threw a couple shots on the PBA World Championship Pattern (insignificant) and the rest on the PBA Shark pattern.  (My bro threw a few games on a house pattern and said the ball was really good.) I don't bowl on house patterns that much anymore so I can't comment.  

The ball is drilled pin up about 4 1/2 inches over from my PAP with the mass bias at 55 degrees.  I have a C-System 2.5 and wanted this C-System drilled the same as my 2.5 so I would have an easy transition from one ball to the next.  I haven't manipulated the box finish yet which is 4000 grit micro pad. (Which is the same as the 2.5 out of the box, which I was surprised by.  In fact, I called my ball driller and was like...It's shiny?  And he said, Weird.  Cause neither of us could find any info on it.  And our inside Brunswick source only confirmed it hooked more than the 2.5, but he wasn't allowed to throw it till January.  Felt like we were dealing with a top secret product here.  Which is in some ways why I've waited a bit to publish a review on it)

Statistically, the 3.5 isn't substantially different from the 2.5.  And it probably wasn't intended to be.  So many times, you see a ball come out and the next version is a solid or a pearl which provides a substantially different reaction.  For example, the Siege at 1000 grit and the Evil Siege at 4000 grit.  The same difference could be achieved between the 2.5 and 3.5 if it was desired.  I was just surprised how similar these two balls are out of the box.    

Comparably this is how they score.

2.5 = 155 out of 175 on hook potential.  105 out of 235 on length.  90 out of 100 on breakpoint shape.  .050 out of .060 on flare potential.  and 4.4 out of 10 on RG-Average.  

3.5 = 170 out of 175 (+15) on hook potential.  100 out of 235 on Length (-5).  95 out of 100 (+5) on Breakpoint shape.  Same Flare potential and same RG average.  

The differences amount to less than a 1% difference in reaction out of the box.

The 3.5 does make a more aggressive move visually than the 2.5 when you do have some dry boards to work with and the ball continues to move through the pocket when it hits the pins.  So you can see a difference between the two.  I certainly like the hitting power of these two balls and their reaction off the dry boards.  So that was definitely a positive.  It definitely reacts to friction as advertised.

In summary, I think I am most surprised by the similarities of the 2.5 and the 3.5.  But I think that is more my fault for anticipating a ball designed to cut through oil when for all intents and purposes, it appears to simply be a mildly stronger version of the 2.5.  The move these balls make on the lane off friction is really incredible though and if you don't have one or the other by now, get one.  


Andy Morton (PBA Blogger)
2008-2009 book averages:  House (220)  PBA (200)
Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: frike300 on January 13, 2010, 12:11:34 PM
Drilled the 3.5 65x5.5x45 (same layout as my original).  The 3.5 out of the box hooks a few feet earlier than the original, however is a good five to seven boards stronger down the lane.  This is the furthest to the left at the front of the lane, and furthest right my breakpoint has been in quite a while.  It is probably a little too much hook at the breakpoint on the fresh if you have a lot of hand, but it does read light to moderate carry down very well.

Mike Freundel
Brunswick Advisory Staff
Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: baer300 on January 13, 2010, 07:22:48 PM
I drilled two of these. When I drilled them I wanted to have one a little smoother and one with more angle. Here's the outcome:

Ball 1
Drilled Rico to smooth it out. Well I got exactly that. I am enjoying this ball quite a bit so far. With this layout it allows me to throw it on THS and also sport shots. The ball has alot of midlane traction with a strong arc off the spot. This will be very usable on longer patterns when I need to keep angles tight. I am really enjoying the way this ball goes through the pins.

Ball 2
Drilled this one 70x5x40. I wanted to one to be more angular but not go sideways. I know that may sound odd from a Brunswick ball but even with this drilling this ball is quite angular. I wanted this one for the burn on the longer and heavier patterns and that is what I achieved. This one goes through the pins just as well.

In conclusion this ball hooks about 4-6 boards more than the 2.5 with more midlane and more motion down lane. I am simply amazed with this ball. If you are looking for a ball to get good midlane and good downlane motion look no further than the C System 3.5.
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Adam Baer
BRUNSWICK REGIONAL STAFF
VISE REGIONAL STAFF
The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation
Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: Corey C on January 15, 2010, 01:20:48 AM
Layout 75x5x45
Pin above fingers
No X Hole
OOB Finish

On the house shot I compared this to the 2.5 and I had to move 7/3 left instantly. I was surprised by the quick response and the overall hook.

On the Shark this ball is money. I would say there will be a lot of pro's trying to get their hands on this ball the next time Shark rolls around. The carry is excellent because its angular. Carry down isn't an issue here, but when the heads and mids start to burn its time to put it away and ball down to the 2.5.

This layout is very versatile for me as well. The ball responds well to different hand positions.
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Corey Clayton
Brunswick Amateur Staff
Turbo Grips Staff
Team Canada 2007, 2008, & 2009
All my equipment is professionally drilled by Rich Huzina at Strikes Pro Shop, Let''s Bowl Calgary, AB
The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation
Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: Fitdocsr on January 16, 2010, 12:30:22 AM
Bowler Info:
400 RPM
16.5 MPH at the pins
PAP 4 5/8 x 1/8

Ball: C-System 3.5   
Layout: 35° x 4-¼ in x 30°  X-hole is Gradient Line P3
Initial Surface Preparation: 4000 grit Siaair Micro pad

Observations:
 OMG, messengers, pins flying all over the place. I haven’t seen a ball hit like this before. I was truly impressed with the carry I was getting with the 2.5 but this one is even better. Easy to get through the fronts with amazing mid lane and very strong off the spot.

Conclusions:
Brunswick has done it again. The diamond back was my favorite ball for the last couple months but that has certainly changed with the 3.5. Now this is #1 due to a couple important factors. First, for a ball that hooks a lot, I can hit the pocket from almost anywhere. Secondly, it carries the world. This ball really sends pins flying. I’ve posted a couple shots here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sitL2CeuuJk

As with any ball, proper matching of the bowler, ball, layout and coverstock are crucial to success. Make sure you find a well educated pro shop technician to drill your next ball and your scores will increase immediately.
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*The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Bowling & Billiards Corporation

Gregg Helms
USBC Silver Certified Coach
Brunswick Pro Shop Staff
Striking Results Pro Shop
"A Fitting Place for Bowlers"
Raleigh, Cary, Erwin
Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: Brunschick on January 19, 2010, 05:48:00 PM
Well... needless to say this ball save me this past week in Dublin!

I honestly hadn't throw it much all week during qualifying until I made match play and was up against Shannon Pluhowsky. I was down in the match 0-3 and knew I had nothing to lose - so I switched to my pin above the ring finger 3.5, moved left to about 20 at the arrows and just trusted the ball.

This ball gave me the opportunity to get through the heads (they were fried) and then still store a lot of energy to create enough angle down the lane and enter the pins like a truck. Absolutely a must have for anyones game!

It was truly a savior!

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Stefanie Nation
Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: K Lawson on January 23, 2010, 10:48:47 AM
The new ball in the C System line is the 3.5. The CFT 3.5 coverstock has a higher friction factor than the original CFT 2.5, which quickens the response time, improves down lane traction and increases the overall hook. The 3.5 utilizes Brunswick's I-Block Core a proven two-component asymmetrical core that enhances the 3.5 coverstock to create maximum forgiveness, strong entry angles along with versatile drilling layouts.

    I drilled my 3.5 with a dual angle of 60x5 1/2x35 as I wanted to create more length than I did with my 2.5 (45x5x70), but what I got was very unexpected. My 3.5 has a very strong mid-lane roll but the unexpected part came in the back end. I never thought that I would have a Brunswick ball in my hand that responded quicker to friction than my 2.5. I WAS WRONG! The 3.5 is by far the strongest ball off the friction that I have thrown, but I could not help but notice how predictable its motion towards the pins was. I could get in deeper and keep the ball in on a good line to the pocket. The pin carry was amazing I had pins bouncing all over the pin deck knocking one another into the pit. I have been throwing Brunswick balls quite awhile but the C System line is one the best from a company that already produces the best equipment in the world. THANK YOU BRUNSWICK![
Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: RSalas on January 25, 2010, 11:08:14 PM
Ball: Brunswick C-(System) 3.5

Layout:

Pin 5” from PAP below fingers
45-degree locator line angle
(Dual-angle:  45 by 5” by 75)
XH on VAL, 1 1/2” below PAP, 7/8” by 2” deep

Initial Surface Preparation:

Box finish

Purpose:

To complement the Siege for oilier medium conditions that require a more dramatic change of direction at the break.

Why this ball?

The C-(System) 3.5 is intended to handle larger volumes of oil than the C-(System) 2.5, while still exhibiting a strong reaction to friction.

Observations:

The first time I used the C-(System) 3.5 was at a center with five-year-old Pro Anvilanes, for a practice session on a fresh house condition.  I threw the 3.5 side-by-side with its predecessor, the C-(System) 2.5.  I had the best results when I played four-and-one left with the 3.5 from where I was with the 2.5.  With the clean back ends, I had to use a steeper angle in front to compensate for the strength of the reaction down lane.  As the oil started to migrate down lane, I didn't quite have to give the ball as much room, so I was able to move my target inward a board and still get the ball to tip as it came off of the end of the pattern.

I also used the new C-(System) at the same center in a second-shift league.  I was able to get a serviceable reaction with this ball, and I saw the same strength off of friction as on the fresh condition.  The 3.5 had a tendency to be very sensitive to the frequent transition that we tend to see in this league, though, which meant that I had to make larger moves with my feet, and make them more often.  However, I had to get my feet pretty far to the left before I reached a point where the burn impacted the ability of the ball to recover and carry corners, and when that did happen, I was able to switch to the C-(System) 2.5 and get the extra energy retention that I needed to carry.

I’ve had the most success with the C-(System) 3.5 at a center with HPL in front and older wood in back, on a fresh house condition.  Now I'll grant that it doesn't take a great tactician to find the pocket on this condition at this center, but because of the way the back ends tend to tighten up over the course of a set, the pin carry can be tricky at times.  With the C-(S) 3.5, I was able to get my feet more to the left, and use the friction to the right and in back to get the ball to the pocket.  As the oil moved down the lane, all I had to do was to move the trajectory further left down the lane, and use the push to stop the ball at the pocket.

Conclusions:

If your experiences are anything like mine, the C-(System) 3.5 will force you to play further left than you would with your other equipment, but when you do send it, it won't die at the turn.  The 3.5 has the guts to make the corner, and to carry the corners.  And for me, because I'm already left of where I'd usually be on the fresh, I can stay with the C-(S) 3.5 longer than I typically could with a stronger ball.

The Siege is still my first choice for conditions that are heavier and flatter, or when there is a significant wet-dry from side to side, and I need to strike a balance between control and power.  However, the C-(System) 3.5 is particularly well suited for conditions with a decent amount of volume, but where I need to open up the drier boards to the outside.  The 3.5 has been a “home run” ball for me  it's the kind of ball that will let me keep up with the high scoring pace when I do get into a carry contest.  It moves pins around more than any ball I've ever thrown.

Unlike the C-(System) 2.5, the 3.5 likes oil in the front part of the lane, and will react well on front-to-back wet-dry conditions.  And when the 3.5 does start to burn up too quickly, I can switch to the 2.5 and not miss a beat.

NOTE:  The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation.
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Ray Salas
Brunswick Amateur Staff
http://www.brunswickbowling.com
Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: devildog819 on January 27, 2010, 11:07:21 AM
Ball:  Brunswick C-System 3.5

Surface:  Saair Pad 4000 surface with Factory Finish Polish

Layout:  Dual Angle 70 x 5in x 45 pin over ring finger small weight hole

I chose to use a layout that would resemble a symetrical reaction due to my medium ball speed.  Also I chose to take the surface up to 4000 to increase the length and back end reaction.  


THIS BALL IS SIMPLY AMAZING.  The motion produced with this ball in clean thru the fronts, strong off the spot and agressive power to the pin deck.  This ball hits hard.  It is very little deflection and definately no pins left on the pin deck.  Thank you to Billy O and all of the staff at Brunswick.  You have another winner with this ball.  

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Roger Harley, Jr
IBPSIA Certified
USBC Certified Coach
Brunswick Advisory Staff

***The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Bowling & Billards Corporation***
Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: foreverbrunswick88 on January 31, 2010, 01:30:04 PM
Layout: 50* x 4 x 35*

Surface: 1000 grit sea of air

Rev rate: 320 rpm

This ball reminded me of the virtual gravity but much better. The virtual gravity was my favorite ball before I got the 3.5, and now there's no question about my favorite bowling ball. This ball has the perfect combination of reading the midlane and still having a strong backend reaction without rolling out. It absolutely carries the world, and sends pins flying everywhere! Another thing I love about this ball is it's one of those balls you can throw either dull or shiny, and its reaction is great either way. I would recommend this ball to any bowler who is looking to get a better reaction in heavier oil.

Matt Taylor
Brunswick Advisory Staff Member
Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: Drillmn300 on February 02, 2010, 02:28:01 AM
WOW is the first thing I have to say about the C 3.5, drilled mine up with a 40 x 4 x 25 and and could not miss. I am not on anyones staff so this ball standing out in my bag is huge as I drill up a new nugget every week and comment good or bad. I could play anywhere from 18 - 8 or right up 8 and just dominated all night without moving a board. Shot 774 with mine tonight and drilled another up for a friend of mine and he went 785 and both balls drilled identical but playing 2 different places on the lane and both were out of box with no surface prep. This ball just flat carries and corners like no other ball on the market.

Brunswick is back with this ball and the rest of the companies better stand up and take notice or they will soon be left behind. Great job Brunswick!!!

More back end than either Jigsaw, smoother mid lane roll than Virtual Gravity and more overall hook and carry than the Mutant Cell. If your spending tax money on a new ball do not over look this one.
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Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: brunswickcomplete on February 05, 2010, 12:38:37 PM
Brunswick C (system)3.5
Ball spec's=
15.4 lbs.
2.4 oz. topweight
3 5/8" pin

Bowlers stats=
lefthanded,definite tweener, 16 mph speed
p.a.p. 4 1/2 over, 1/2" up

must say this ball is a definite eye-opener
just drilled it up and have only seen open play with it, tonite will be the first league session, so the review will be updated as more information about this ball is observed.

The drill pattern is pin above fingers centered (or 4 1/2"to pap), mb slightly left of thumb (1/2"), I have drilled the last 3 Brunswick pieces this way to test the strength,ball to ball (apples to apples) so that a specific drill pattern does not influence the way it rolls.

I have observed so far, easy thru the heads, a move at the backend I have not seen, with me throwing the shot, very angular and continuous in the pin deck,
throwing messengers and leaving the occasional
stone 8 or 9 pin, but seemed to carry out the corners with ease.

Those that are in the Detroit area will recognize these bowling centers were I have tested the 3.5 so far, the conditions are normal house shot oiling, but on 3 different surfaces, they are Five Star (Brunswick synthetics),Kingswood (AMF synthetics) and Sunnybrook (? wood lanes), had the best reaction on both synthetics, the 3.5 was just too strong at Sunnybrook.

grade= Brunswick c system 3.5= A plus and then some

Get the c 3.5 before your competition beats you with it.

Special thanks to Frank M @ Brunswick for getting this out to me.

JT
Avon pro shop


 
Edited on 12/30/2010 at 1:33 PM
Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: BrunsWolf on February 11, 2010, 12:17:16 AM
Brunswick C-System 3.5
15lbs
3.5”pin
3oz top

Layout:
45* by 5 by 50*
no hole

OOB surface

Bowler stats:
PAP: 4 7/8” right
Speed: 18ish mph
Rev Rate: 350-375

Lanes:
2.5 year old Pro-Anvil
Kegel Kustodian
A22 oil

I was looking forward to this ball as soon as I heard about it because I wanted a ball for heavier/longer patterns that would be able to read the midlane and still continue hard to the pocket. Did it deliver? Ohhhh yes!!

On our 39’ THS with 19mL and a 8:1 ratio, this ball did surprisingly well given the fact that any other “strong” ball on this THS usually has trouble carrying. This ball was still a little too strong for this condition but I decided to keep throwing it since it was just practice and I wanted to get a better feel for its reaction. I had the best look playing tighter than usual with a laydown of 26 out to 11 at the breakpoint (our “wall” is from 9-12). Usually tighter lines have a lot of trouble kicking corners out but the 3.5 had plenty of power at the pins to get the 10s and 7s out. Although the ball has some easy length built into it, it still would pick up just a tad too early for my taste for this THS.

On a modified 42’ NCAA sport pattern with extra volume, this ball excelled in playing an area of the lane where no one else was able to play. Due to volume, a lot of people were forced to play tighter lines and to keep the ball inside of 10 at all times. With the 3.5, I moved outside and played down 5-6 and the midlane read that it showed was exceptional. This ball was not allergic to all of the head oil and had a very smooth midlane read before it made its strong backend. As the lanes transitoned, I found a new line playing just inside of where the other right-handers were at a laydown of 17 out to 11 and the breakpoint. The ball still showed excellent control of the midlane and I nice drive to the the pocket. A little later, I moved in to a laydown of 24 out to 11 at the breakpoint and still had a great look with great carry. (One interesting side note: In all of my practice on this pattern today, I did not leave a single 10pin with this ball which I find to be very impressive given the volume of oil).
The comment I keep getting about this ball from other good bowlers, besides its sexy look, is the power it gives the pins on light hits. A lot of 4 pins were thrown into the 10 pin side gutter with this ball ever since the first day I threw it.

The strong read of the midlane is always important when looking at a ball for longer/heavier patterns. Combine this with the strong reaction at the breakpoint and you have a ball that isn’t afraid to play a little deeper on longer patterns but still have an aggressive backend to make sure the corners get out. Even though this ball is easy through the heads, it still isn’t squeamish to a larger amount of head oil and it still has a quick response to friction. This is why this ball will be a cornerstone in my arsenal when I’m dealing with longer and/or high volume conditions. This is truly a ball that is strong from the foul line all the way through the pin deck.

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Brunswick Advisory Staff

Jared Wolf
Jonesboro, AR
www.bowlingchat.net

The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation.
Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: bowler001 on February 18, 2010, 12:53:53 PM
Brunswick C-System 3.5

Bowler:
Pap: 5-1/8 rt, 1/2 up
Speed: 18 mph
Revrate: 370

Layout:
60* x 5 x 25*
OOB finish

I wanted to try something a little different with a stronger ball, so I chose this layout. I really wanted to use a majority of it's strength downlane, and I knew the stronger cover would pick up the midlane. This worked out perfectly. This ball is about 5-7 boards stronger than my pin-up 2.5. Slightly less angular as it picks up a foot or two sooner.

This ball needs some oil to retain energy downlane. If I have enough head oil, I will not put this ball down.

Typically, I drill my stuff to perform on tougher patterns, whereas with this ball, I really wanted it to beat up a house pattern. Something I could just stand left, throw right, and never worry about it not making it back.


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Doug Morton
Xclusive Pro Shop - Anchorage, Alaska

Brunswick Pro Shop Staff

The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation.
Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: the_b00gie on February 24, 2010, 06:01:00 PM
Brunswick C(system)3.5 = definite keeper!

First off i would like to start by saying i am no professional. I am only 19 years old. However, I do hold a 210 average which isn't too bad for my age.

I ordered this ball because I thought it was going to be a really strong hook. In this aspect I was a bit let down. I didn't feel that the ball really took off like I would've liked. I am going to try and sand it with some 4000 grit sandpaper and see what happens. Overall, my Hammer No Mercy hooked a lot more.

Ok, that's enough about the negative. The only thing I have found to be negative about this ball is that it didn't hook quite as much as I would've liked. This ball has been very consistant on every oil pattern I have tried so far. I have been doing my best to keep this ball clean and after the 60+ games I've already used this ball it shows no signs of slowing down. Also, I have found that i am being tapped more often by the 8 and 9 pins than i am by the ten pin! I am throwing much more solid shots in the pocket. I think even though this ball doesn't have a strong hook, it does have a pretty good follow through in the back end.

The first three game series I bowled with this ball was a 699 series. Only holding a 210 average, I was happy with the results. So I threw another three games right after for a 746 series! My high game with this ball is a 290. Overall, even though it didn't hook like i had planned. I feel very pleased with what is the C(system)3.5, and I would highly recommend this ball to anyone who wants to build up their arsenal, and knock down more pins.  

Kyle

Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: Strapper_Squared on March 06, 2010, 09:59:59 PM
I picked up a 3.5 from Buddies Pro Shop, through their pre-order program.  I shipped a ball to Chris to pull my specs/match my fit.  I wanted something that would get some length, but have a strong, pronounced break point.  Decided to go with a 5.5" pin to pap (pin above and between fingers) and a strong MB (about 1.5" right of thumb).  The ball showed up a couple days after the ball release.  The ball fit (match compared to the ball I had sent) was absolutely dead on.  I was really surprised how close the two balls actually felt.  Chris must have spent some extra time getting the bevels just right.  Really a great job and 100% recommended to anyone.

I started throwing this ball with the box surface.  I made several trips to the local lanes with hopes of throwing this ball.  The first couple times to the lanes, there was some oil out there, but no where near enough for this monster.  Trying to make this ball work, I could loft the gutter, hit 25-28 sending the ball as wide as possible.  Even with this angle, I was really having some difficulty keeping the ball right of the head pin.  Just incredibly strong.

On a later trip to the same house, I met up with the lane man and struck up a conversation.  After a few minutes, I persuaded him to lay down a fresh house shot (older wood lanes) prior to throwing.  I started out with my Plasma Cell (with is a quite strong ball itself) and had a good line playing 15 out to 5.  I pulled out the 3.5 and immediately moved 5 left with my feet.  I crossed 18 at the arrows, sending the ball towards the same 5 board break point.  The 3.5 never made it there!  The ball reacted about 10 feet earlier than the Plasma Cell and just barely caught the head pin on the way by.  After throwing a couple more shots, I talked to the lane man again and had him come back and put down some more oil in the heads.  This seemed to help push the ball a little further down the lane and I ended up finding a reasonably good shot crossing 20 at the arrows and sending the ball out to the 5 board.  With the box surface, it was at least 10 boards stronger than my Plasma Cell.  For me, it was to the point that the ball was so strong, it would be almost unplayable 95% of the conditions that I would typically run into.  I wanted to pick this ball up for heavier oil.. but WOW.

After some debate with myself, I decided to make a surface change on the ball.  I hit the ball with 1000 grit Abralon, followed by 2000 grit Abralon, followed by 4000 grit Abralon.  I left the surface at 4000 grit, with no polish.  I was looking for less overall hook without a really flippy backend (as I typically get with polished equipment).  Back to the lanes...  nearly a fresh shot, lots of oil.  Started with my Plasma Cell and was playing 15 out to 10 at the break point.  Good reaction, but it I missed a little outside at the break point, the ball wouldn't make it back to the pocket.  I pulled out the 3.5 with the new surface and threw the same line... crossed over.  The ball did get more length than previously, but still really strong reaction.  After a couple adjustments, I was able to move further inside and play 20 at the arrows out to 10 at the break point.  Here, the ball got good length, made a strong move down the lane and tossed pins everywhere.  About 5 to 6 boards stronger than my Plasma Cell and about 10-12 boards stronger than my AMF Clutch Pearl (with a 4000 grit polished surface).  

The 3.5 seems to be a good VERY strong ball.  Anyone having issues with getting a ball to react, should take a look here. I could see this ball (on the right conditions), performing very well.  For me, this ball, even with the mild surface prep), will likely stay in the bag on all but the oiliest of conditions.

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Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: ImBackInTheGame on March 12, 2010, 09:44:20 AM
Brunswick C-System 3.5
Weight: 15lbs
Pin Distance: 3”
Top Weight: 3oz

Layout:
Pin to Pap: 5.5
X-Hole: From grip center thru CG place on VAL

OOB surface

Bowler stats:
PAP: 5” right, 1/4" up
Speed: ~15
Rev Rate: ~300

Lanes:
30 year old wood, resurfaced 3 years ago.
Pattern: 38' THS

I won this ball in one of the raffles on this site.  I was afraid after reading so many reviews on the 3.5 that I would not be able to use it on the conditions I see.

Well to my surprise, this ball even works well on a THS with wood lanes!  I was playing left foot on 35, 15 at the arrows, out to around 7 for my break point.  It has such easy lenght for me as long as I don't get lazy, The back end move is so strong but very controllable.  The carry is unreal, pins fly everywhere.  A number of times the 10 pin was standing there and then got kicked out late.  I left 1 ten pin all night long!  

The thing that amazed me the most is on a typical league night I have to move quite a bit as the night goes on or change equipment to a lesser ball.  With the 3.5 I stayed in the same spot for all 3 games, I couldn't beleive it!

I ended up throwing my personal best series of 692 last night right out of the box! I left a 4 pin on my second ball in the 10th on a shot that was a tad on the heavy side.  So close to a 700!

Thank you Brunswick!
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Arsenal:
Roto-Grip Cell Pearl (500/4000 abralon)
Lane #1 Chainsaw (2000 + Secret Sauce)
Roto-Grip Cell (2000 abralon)
Brunswick C-System 3.5 (500/4000 siaair)
Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: on March 18, 2010, 04:58:34 PM
Layout: Pin 4.5" from PAP above the fingers, MB at about 55 degrees, factory surface

The first time I tried this ball was at a house with plenty of oil inside, yet I still had to make a 6 & 3 move inside vs. nearly anything else in the bag. I was impressed! Very strong recovery with the usual C-System strength through the pins.

Then... for whatever reason (probably bowler related) I just couldn't find a condition or line that wasn't feast or famine for me. I put it away until my head had a chance to clear the "cobwebs" from my head, knowing it would be reliable if/when I found enough oil.

Lately I have brought it out again with the thought of just playing deeper than normal and letting the ball work for me. That has been the key for me with this piece. Don't grab it at the bottom, just let it perform and it really does the job. Decent length, but when it finds friction (any friction whatsoever) it turns aggressively back toward the pocket.

I can see this ball excelling on higher volumes where more entry angle is created than I get from the typical "heavy oil balls". This ball is DEFINITELY STRONG, and will need some oil, or put it away in favor of weaker cover balls.

I'm starting to see the value of the 3.5 and it's place in my Brunswick arsenal. Thank you Brunswick.


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Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah
Brunswick Pro Shop Staff

www.brunswickbowling.com

The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation.
Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: michaelmaloney23 on April 15, 2010, 08:01:07 PM
check out my video! thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCoBn_aPYwc

I am a stroker / tweener, 15 - 16 mph, 275 revs. In this video is a fresh house shot laid down minutes before i used it. These were my first couple games using this ball and for the first day i already found to roll how i wanted it to. I have this laid out 45 x 4 1/2 x 70. i wanted this ball to start midlane and have a smooth controllable arc. This layouts create a slower response to friction thus making i very predictable and controllable for my style. So far after one day i am happy. the ball hits hard, great pin action and very little deflection. I practicing on this fresh house pattern staying in the middle playing in the oil to see how it reacted. I play mostly bowl in leagues with sport like patterns or in a kegel pattern league. I wanted to use this on the longer pattern to play more direct or down and in. On a house shot i can swing it to the dry boards if i want to but i dont. Its not my style and it creates an inconsistency for me. I only move more inside when i rally need to but otherwise i switch ball to try to stay near the same spot. I have been bowling for a year and 2 months now and have bought a lot of bowlings ball and this rolls the smoothest so far. thanks for watchin. Hope you like the editing of this video.
Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: Gunnz on April 23, 2010, 02:25:20 PM
Lefthander stroker
about 350rpms
16.5-17mph

ball drilling 5x4x4
This ended up puting the pin below my bridge and the MB about an 1" left of my thumb. Ball burnt up too early at oob condition so I took it down to 500 then put in the luster king for 4 minutes(I have to do this every 6 games or so to keep the same reaction).  Ball goes long clears the heads then makes an angular move at the breakpoint.  I was really impressed with this ball, I never would have thought about brunswick but I got this ball so cheap it was a no brainer and I'm glad I did.  I got the Invasion about a week or so before I got this ball and they are drilled similar(pin is up on the invasion) and this ball outshines the Invasion by a wide margin.  At oob the invasion burns up to early and with any kind of polish it just skids and skids, it's now collecting dust in my bag as the 3.5 is my goto ball. I love this ball!!! Thanks Big B
Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: Mvpbowler on April 24, 2010, 11:04:48 AM
--- Brunswick C System 3.5 ---


Layout

5 inch pin, MB @ 75 degrees.

I found this ball to be a great compliment to the 2.5. For me it was stronger then the 2.5 overall. It still had the great same motion and kept pins lower just like the 2.5 does. I was able to work with some surfaces with this ball and did not lose any of the reaction like some balls do. Still had the same great motion overall! Another great product from Brunswick!

Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: Bighit900 on April 30, 2010, 03:07:51 PM
This ball is a great 1-2 punch with the 2.5. I have thrown 2 of these, one is a VAL and the other one is pin down with no hole. I have shot about 5 honor scores with this ball alone since signing with Brunswick and that includes a few 299's and a 814. I'm really impressed with the continuation of this ball downlane because most high performance balls with a big cover and come sanded usually start real early and burn up in the mids and hardly move on the backend. This is not one of those typical balls, this has motion all the way through the pindeck. If you own a 2.5 then it's a must you drill this ball, if you don't have a 2.5 then your next two purchases should be the 2 of these c systems.
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Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: FranVarin on July 03, 2010, 12:35:56 PM
I decided to drill the new C-System 3.5 mostly to get a fresh look on the lane. Brunswick has gone in a new direction with this line and after hearing people rave about the 3.5 I decided to punch one up.

I drilled several of these for some customers and they just love the ball. Watching the reaction they got was really impressive. The shape and reaction on the lane is different than what one might have grown to expect from Brunswick.

I can only think of one phrase to describe this ball... “deceptively strong”. By that I mean for a ball that has as strong a cover and core it is surprisingly clean through the front. It revs up very well and makes a super strong move to the pocket but, it sneaks up on you. Most aggressive balls roll really heavy, not the case with the 3.5, it is very clean. The only thing I have noticed is a little wiggle in the back end when the lanes start to breakdown...most likely due to carry down.

I put my favorite asymmetrical layout on it... 5" pin to PAP, 3” MB to PAP. Pin up over the bridge. CG is kicked a bit but no weight hole was necessary. I initially left the ball in box condition but, since lightly hand scuffed with 1K Abralon pad. That was certainly the ticket, the ball really came to life.

What I was looking to create was a ball that could sit at the top of my arsenal and handle fresh tournament volume. Since the C-System 3.5 is an early ball, the pin up drilling helped to get it a little further down lane while reserving some “pop” for the back end.

What I got was a ball that rolls smoothly on tight sport tournament conditions but, still makes a very hard and continuous move through the pin deck. I very seldom see this ball deflect a lot on solid pocket hits. On a fresh house condition, I can get left and feed the ball right. On those conditions the ball just eats up the lane.

I have to admit it took me a while to learn what the ball wanted to do. It has a unique look on the lane that at first threw me. But, I have to say I've learned to trust the ball and just make sure I get through it clean and let it roll. Just recently shot a 300 with it (unsanctioned) and continued on to get the next 6 for a total of 18 in a row.

For those of you who have never tried a Brunswick ball, give the C-System line a look. Brunswick is on top of their game with these pieces.


Special thanks to Chuck Gardner at Brunswick!


Fran Varin
Brunswick Advisory Staff
Strike F/X Proshops
USBC Bronze
Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: Ehudakineyah on October 16, 2010, 07:40:11 AM
Age: 20

Average: 219

Style: 2 Handed/Right

Ball Speed: 21-22 Mph

RPM: 600-650

Layout: 60 x 4" x 45

Shots Thrown On:
Earl Anthony
2010 USBC Championship
Sunset Strip
Sunset Strip (Shortened)

Got this ball when i saw my friend throw it and i was very impressed by the carry of the ball. When it hits solid, it throws the pins around. When it hits flush with the pocket, he was almost guaranteed with a strike. And when he threw it through the nose, for some reason all the pins would fall down O.O

Went to get the ball and drilled it to be versatile so i could throw it on any pattern our house would have to throw at us. Since they change the to something new every 2 weeks >.<

I was very impressed on how the ball reacted for me. Got through the heads clean and it carried like a train. One main thing that stood out about this ball is how it rev'd up so easily.

Great ball by "Brunswick", Hits Hard, and is Smooth through the heads.

Rating 9/10

- Keene Inafuku
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Just started 2 Handed in August.
6 300 Games and 2 800 Series so far.

Current Arsenal:
Storm 2Furious (Polished)
Storm Invasion (Polished)
Storm Virtual Energy (Highly Polished)
Storm Black Ice
Ebonite Mission 2.0
Track 607A SE
Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: wbltim on December 02, 2010, 11:50:31 AM
Hi guys -

Haven't posted for a while, but this one is too good to pass up.

I finally tried a Brunswick again after an unfortunate experience many years ago with a Swamp Monster. I am glad I did it! I picked up the C 3.5 used and had it redrilled in basically the same spot as I got it, pin up, with the mass bias kicked out right a little.

I am pretty much a stroker and am averaging about 215 this year. For my house shot, I have found this to be the ideal benchmark ball - I can start with it when the lanes are slightly on the oily side, but then stick with it most of the night even after the lanes break down. I have noticed it going a little long when there is a lot of oil in tournaments, etc., (maybe a function of the drilling?) but for the most part I am happy with the versatility. The ball really does hit hard if I let it roll, and sets up nice when I yank it mercilessly.

Last Wednesday had a 297 in my second game in league (an absolutely horrible shot on the last ball) with this ball! I like to try them all, and am glad I gave the big B a shot again.

Tim




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299 - Roto SD-73 Classic
 299 - Elite Black Label
 298 - Roto SD-73
 297 - Brunswick C 3.5
Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: Contude on January 25, 2011, 08:18:44 AM
LANE CONDITION

Length: Long
 
Volume: Medium

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc): THS

 
COMMENTS

Likes: This ball is definitely powerful when it comes to meeting the break on the lane. Very deceiving power through the heads and straight through the pocket.

Dislikes: This ball tends to not be a fan of oil. Another downside would be pin action with this ball is very limited. Most of my shots with this piece have to be flush or striking is non existent.

 
PICTURES AND/OR VIDEOS
 
 
 
Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: jnblues on February 17, 2011, 09:45:57 AM
FIRST, LATE ME SAY, I AM NO EXPERT, BUT I LOVE BOWLING. MY STYLE OF BOWLING IS BETWEEN A STROKER AND A TWEENER, I AVERAGE AROUND 205, I THROW AROUND 16 MPH. I USUALLY PLAY DOWN AND IN STYLE. I HAD THE C-SYSTEM 3.5 DRILLED TO GO LONG. I ADJUSTED THE SURFACE A BIT, FIRST I USED A GREEN SCOTCH BRITE ( ABOUT 600 GRIT) THEN FINISHED IT WITH A WHITE SCOTCH BRITE ( ABOUT 1500 GRIT).  I USUALLY PLAY UP THE 5 BOARD AND LET THE BALL DO THE WORK. WITH THIS BALL I WAS ABLE TO MOVE LEFT AND THROW OVER THE TWELVE BOARD OUT TO THE 5 AND WATCH THE BALL MAKE A LATE BREAK AND DESTROY THE POCKET. THE BALL MAKES A VERY STRONG LEFT TURN, I LOOK LIKE A CRANKER WITH THIS BALL, AND THAT'S NOT EASY FOR ME. IT DID TAKE A LITTLE GETTING USE TO, BUT NOW I AM VERY CONFORTABLE WITH THIS BALL. I WOULD RECOMMEND THIS BALL TO ANYONE.
 
THANKS,
JNBLUES


Title: Re: C-(System) 3.5
Post by: Contude on March 19, 2012, 03:09:58 PM
LANE CONDITION

Length:
 
Volume:

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc):

 
COMMENTS
  I'm new to this post. So, I'll post a few new reviews on some older bowling balls that I have and catch up. I have the 3.5 and a 4.5 intl. I'm a full roller and need little more oil than most of the guys I bowl with. The drill on my 3.5 is pin under to the left of my thumb, the basic drill pattern for full roller. The 3.5 has been to aggressive for most of the lanes I've bowled on. I'm not going to polish it up though. Every once in a while I'll run in to a pair that's oily enough for me to use it.
Likes: Hooks a ton.  

Dislikes:  Has to have oil to get any use out of it.

 
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