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Siege
« on: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM »
- Coverstock: Recoil Reactive
- Color: Solid Black / Silver
- Hardness: 75-76
- Factory Finish: 1,000 Micro pad
- Weight Block: MACE Two-component Asymmetrical Core
- RG max: 2.530
- RG int: 2.500
- RG min: 2.474
- RG diff: 0.056
- RG asym: 0.030
- Average RG: 2.8 of 10
- Hook Potential: 170 (Scale 10-175)
- Length: 100 (Scale 25-235)
- Typical Breakpoint Shape: 85 Angular (Scale Smooth Arc 10-Angular 100)
- Flare Potential: 0.056 High (Scale Low 0.00-High 0.060)
- Description: Coverstock: Introducing Recoil™ coverstock the next extension in Brunswick coverstock technology. Recoil is a evolutionary coverstock developed by Brunswick to improve the mid-lane and backend traction of the ball on today’s slicker oils and lane surfaces. The Recoil coverstock was discovered through testing of new formulation additives and process changes in coverstock manufacturing. Core: M.A.C.E. – Mechanical Asymmetric Core Engineering. The MACE™ core has three major benefits, Ultra Low RG core system to engage the Recoil coverstock, High RG differential to aid in traction through heavy oil and High RG asymmetric differential to quicken the response time to friction. Designed as a two component elliptical core system, the MACE core is dynamically the strongest asymmetric core ever produced for a Brunswick ball. Ball Motion: The Siege™ unites the new Recoil coverstock and the MACE core to produce a ball motion that is both aggressive in the oil and aggressive on the backend. The Siege is your ball when your game needs help battling heavy oil conditions and poor pin action. Seize the lanes, Conquer the pins, Defeat your opponent!!

 

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Re: Siege
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2009, 02:06:20 AM »
5" Pin to PAP below fingers
60 degree MB
No X hole
4000 Micro Pad

I was very eager to throw this ball with the larger Diff numbers than the Twisted Solid. I like 5" pins and this ball transitions they way I like to see it. The OOB cover was a little too early for me so I took it up to 4000 with no polish. This gave me a little more length in the mids and retained more energy downlane. The was plenty of track flare so no hole was required. I did touch it with polish once as an experiment and the ball didn't read the lane as well so I promptly hit it with the pad again to take it off.

I used this ball almost exclusively at the USBC nationals. When I did make a change it was the wrong one and I went back to the Siege and moved deeper to finish off strong.

The Siege is the perfect benchmark ball for the heavier/fresh conditions.
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Re: Siege
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2009, 03:02:34 AM »
Robert gave me my Siege about two weeks ago and I have not been able to put it down. I drilled mine with a pretty standard stacked leverage drill putting the mass bias in the P3 quadrant, it has a small X-hole about an inch down off my PAP. Out of box this was too much surface for my rev. rate and I found that the ball burned up, I adjusted it up to a 4000 with light polish and it added twenty boards to the hook. This ball handles oil better than my Maxxx Zone( double thumb drill) even at its polished surface.
For me the ball clears the heads and picks up the mid-lane with amazing roll that does not die in the back end. I am able to make small adjustments and keep this ball in play even on spotty conditions, in fact I find that it blends patterns better than the rest of my stuff. What most impressed me about this ball is how deep I am able to move without wondering if the ball will burn up in the friction, it does not.
This is my favorite of the new releases by Brunswick, I have multiple 300s with it already and I plan on drilling a few more with different patterns.
Overall it is an amazing ball and in my opinion the best ball ever produced by Brunswick, it fills the gap in their line for heavy oil but is versatile enough to play on some lighter patterns with surface adjustments.

The pins are under siege
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Re: Siege
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2009, 12:43:14 AM »
Pin: Drilled out with ring finger
CG: 1/2 from centerline
MB: 1 inch to the right of the center line
Cover: 4000 sanded and Brunswick factory shine

Condition: Shark, Viper and Chameleon

Strengths: This ball creates friction on heavy and heavy carry down. I did have fool around with the cover to find out what best matched up with my game. If you have heavy forward roll like myself do not be afraid to sand to 4000 and polish, this ball will not lose friction with polish. I found at the arrows I played heavy patterns about the same, where the Siege is different is down lane, this ball recovers like the back ends are freshly cleaned. I normally need to make my line on shark tighter as the day goes on, not with the Siege, this ball allowed me to open up the lane.

Weakness: short oil patterns burned out wood heads.

Overall: This ball with place a Siege on only oil pattern, this ball can be altered to use on any surface, do not be afraid to alter the surface and lay Siege on to the lane pattern.

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Re: Siege
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2009, 02:13:06 PM »
Siege #1
60x4 1/2x27
This ball is pin up with a low hole 4 inches from the midline through the cg. I have thrown Brunswick equipment for about two years now. This ball I believe is something we have never seen from Brunswick. This ball does not quit. I threw it at the Plano regional on viper. I played around 15 to 8 and moved my feet in from there. This ball made a hard arc to the hole and it was very continuous through the pins. The ball made a predictable move everytime. I did have this ball at out of box finish too. The ball just never burned in heads.
Siege #2
65x4 3/4x60
This ball is pin down with no hole. Mass Bias is about an inch and a half from thumb. This ball gives me a completely different reaction. I can play a straighter angle through the front part of the lane. This ball is also out of box. I threw it the first two games on the fresh at the plano regional. It was very predictable and went through the pins hard everytime.

Go out and buy this ball. You will not be disappointed. The reaction from brunswick's new line is second to none and really different.
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Re: Siege
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2009, 12:31:03 AM »
Siege #2

5.5" pin to PAP
Pin above fingers
70 degree MB, No Hole
4000 abralon

PBA Shark Pattern

When I started practicing I didn't think this Siege would have a quick enough response to carry on the Shark. I had a great look with a Wild Thing and a Fury Pearl TE, so I really wanted to compare. My adjustment was only two boards right and the Siege hit hard and carried well. The 4000 cover definitely helped with the downlane reaction, an OOB finish will be earlier and less angular.

I'll use this Siege on the longer patterns and the low pin on the medium patterns. The Siege is my favorite solid asym from Brunswick.
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Re: Siege
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2009, 11:56:29 AM »
I drilled my second Siege last week. Thanks to Chuck Gardner for a great layout suggestion. We wanted to see this one just peel off the spot. We drilled this one 65x5x25. Let me tell you what, this ball reacts down lane like a pearl. It is amazing. The first night out with this ball shot 290. This is an amazing ball for oil. It reads the lane better than any other oiler I have seen. Great midlane and plenty of traction down lane. Between the 2 I have, still no flat tens yet. This is saying alot as I am a high rev player, and usually strong solid covers tend to be weak downlane for me. The Siege does not have this characteristic. This ball also takes surface changes very well. Do not hesitate on buying one, you will not be disappointed.
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Re: Siege
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2009, 05:17:39 PM »
Drill Pattern:
5.5" PIN to PAP
60 degree angle from PAP-PIN-CG
Pin located above bridge

Review:
This ball was drilled for USBC team event over the summer, with the goal of having something core heavy enough to get the ball started at moderate angles through moderate-heavy volume, but with enough continuation for carry.  I entered the event with the ball at box surface, and that was too much for the pattern.  I ended up using other equipment for the remainder of the event.

For the minor events, I brought the ball up to 2000 grit abralon and added a touch of polish to it.  It read the pattern very well, providing a predictable midlane arc with a strong finish.  Unfortunately, due to an injury, I was not able to complete the minor events, but I do have some comments on the ball's performance (I am now recovered...woo-hoo!)

My experience with this ball since the minor events has been with the 2000 grit polished abralon surface described above.  The ball has continued to provide a predictable reaction on a variety of medium volume, medium length conditions.  Of note is that the ball carries fairly predictably on less than pure shots, typically a hallmark of a solid piece of equipment, in my opinion.  I have no experience yet with the ball on longer, heavier patterns (oil is at a premium in Flagstaff).

If you have any questions about this review, feel free to contact me.

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Re: Siege
« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2009, 12:50:34 AM »
Brunswick Siege
Ball Specs
The ball being drilled was a 3” pin out with 3.00 oz top weight.
Drilling: Pin 4" from PAP and Mb 45 degrees from PAP, 25 degrees V.A.L. Line DUAL ANGLE. Pin is above ring finger. Weight Hole on the axis. Factory Sanded 1000.

Bowler Information:
Track diameter is 11 5/8.
PAP is measured at 4 11/16 over and 11/16 up.
Average ball speed (foul line to head pin) is 13 mph.
Axis rotation is typically 90 degrees
Initial rev rate is typically 200 rpm, "Tweener"
Lane Condition and Pattern:
New Berlin Bowl HPL 9000 Panel. Oil Pattern: THS condition medium oil outsides, heavier oil inside, semi clean backends.

Review:
While I am out recovering from Hip replacement surgery, I am having my daughter Ashley test this ball for me. 180 Average 17 year old with medium to slow speed and a low spinner type track.

The Siege is a great ball for her for medium to oily lanes. It revs up much quicker than her Twisted Fury Solid, the Siege is cleaner through the front 20 feet of the lane compared to her Twisted Fury Solid and back ends stronger than the Twisted Fury Solid giving her a better motion on the lane. You can tell Brunswick set it's goals on making a better reacting ball from the Twisted Solid and they have achieved this goal. For a fairly rough ball, it does not seem to shine as quick either with oil absorbent covers. The Siege is 4 with her feet and 2 with her mark strong than her Wild Thing. Great ball for speed dominant players or anyone bowling on heavier oil.

Thanks for reading my review.
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Re: Siege
« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2009, 09:29:36 PM »
Test Ball:  Brunswick Siege   

Drill Pattern: 45 degree drilling angle, 4-1/2 inch pin from PAP, 25-degree angle to VAL, weight hole 1 inch below PAP.

Surface: 1000 grit sanded with Brunswick Rough Buff Polish   


I tested the Siege on a 40-foot typical house shot, medium volume of oil.  The ball certainly breaks the mold of traditional Brunswick motion.  The ball cleared the heads with ease and practically jumped off the back ends!  Shots that missed outside easily recovered to the pocket with enough kick to carry.  Inside misses did not hydroplane excessively, but rather rolled strong enough to drive through the pocket with vigor.  

When the same ball faced a heavier carry down situation I did find a slight tendency to waffle at the breakpoint.  A simple coverstock adjustment with a worn out 1000 grit pad added just enough kick to compensate.  

I was surprised at the sharp change of direction this ball and layout displayed so I tested a few layouts on higher rev players to test control.  

Test Subject A:  

4-1/2 inch pin, 4-1/2 inch MB, 4-inch pin buffer, box finish.  Test subject detests sharp change of direction.  On same fresh 40-foot house shot Subject found great predictability and power.  The Siege was forgiving front to back and very impressive impact.  The lower pin position and MB adjustment smoothed the ball’s transition out without eliminating all of the ball’s recovery.  

Test Subject B:

2-inch pin, 6 inch MB, 2-inch pin buffer, box finish.  This layout allowed another extremely high rev player to square up closer to the oil line on the fresh pattern without the ball overreacting at the break point.  Understandably, the ball’s backend reaction was muted but in the hands of such a powerful player carry was not sacrificed significantly.   The overall hook potential was reduced but the ball outperformed most of his arsenal on more flat lane conditions.  

Conclusions:

First of all, I want to thank Brunswick for the initial test ball.  Anyone who is skeptical about Brunswick’s ability to create the sexy sharp change of direction that is so popular currently needs to give this ball a test drive!  I was pleasantly surprised at the new look and I am confident that you will be as well.  

The ball displays generous hook potential and great versatility via surface and layout adjustments.  I feel like we have already found one of the Must Have balls of the new season!

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Re: Siege
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2009, 03:57:14 AM »
It must be the fact that I don't have a strong wrist or the Pro lanes I have just don't have enough friction as this ball will not roll up for me if I want to swing it. I drilled it up with a 40-4.5"-45 and have changed the cover up to 4,000 and down to 1,000. It is a great ball if you plan on playing down and in and I don't think it can be beat if those are your intentions. I have only tried it on the Pro lanes and not at the other house with the SPL's but after 3 leagues on typical house patterns I plugged it and gave it to a lefty that loves playing down and in. This ball may be perfect on wood lanes or lanes with more friction not on Pro lanes with my release.
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Re: Siege
« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2009, 12:03:09 PM »
I drilled a 15lb siege first time with a rico drill. I am a high 220 average bowler on a house shot bowl left handed have 370 to 400 rpms with a pap of 4 over and 1/8th up I have drilled alot of brunswick stuff and never fell in love with any of it I have had almost every fury ball they have put out only one I cared for was the twisted fury and still not in love with it. The siege is a whole different look then the normal brunswick stuff or old brunswick stuff hopefully they do more reactions that are similar you would think the ball would be really early by looking at it but its not out of box the ball gets through the heads very easily with a nice very predictable move to the pocket and good hit I drilled the ball about a month ago and if the ball keeps its reaction I would say it is a benchmark ball you can get a great read with this ball and should be kept in your bag for tournament arsenal Highly recommend

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Re: Siege
« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2009, 11:53:44 PM »
After reading how aggressive this ball was, I decided to go with a control layout for me.  Pin over the bridge, no hole, and the MB at 45 deg.  This ended up at about 5 1/8 from my PAP.  I first tried the ball on a couple of longer patterns at factory surface.  I was not impressed. I'm a fairly high rev player, and the ball was just losing all of it's energy at 45 feet.  I decided to take it up to 2000 abralon and put a bit of polish on it.  To say that I was surprised would be an understatement.  It was like the ball woke up from a coma!  Such a clean movement through the heads and a serious move at the back end.  I'm sure it works for other players at 1000 micro pad, but it just wasn't for me.

This is really new territory for Big B in my opinion.  I've punched up 2 Virtual Gravity's in the last year. One with the identical layout of this Siege.  The Siege has a very similar ball motion down the lane, by a more predictable move at the break point.  I really like the VG, but this one is has moved the bar up a notch.

Final thoughts - Don't be afraid to adjust the surface on this bad boy.  This is a very forgiving piece that with a proper layout and surface will work on multiple conditions. It's the type of reaction that was made for the USBC national shot.  Can't wait!

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Re: Siege
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2010, 01:21:36 PM »
First thing that comes to my ind about this ball is aggression!!
Drilling: Pin above ring with mb an inch and a half away from my thumb.
LBS: 15

I attempted to use this ball on the house pattern with the out of box finish, but seems to be a little too strong. Then I used this ball on the new shark pattern and this ball had no problem reacting. This ball used in oil is just a perfect fit. When I polished this ball it got down the lane a lot quicker and had a sharper reaction off the dry instead of a smooth reaction when at box finish.
 
Overall the Siege is a great ball for oil. When bowling a lot of games on oil this ball really reads the transitions well and never gives you the over/under reaction. Brunswick's bowling equipment is really  showing that it is best stuff out there right now!!!

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Re: Siege
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2010, 06:37:42 PM »
I got this ball drilled pin under ring finger for nice smooth arch since.Ball wasnt reacting real strong so sanded it down to 320 abralon hook more but not enough. So i decided to plug it and get a different layout. So i decided on drilling it rico and it is amazing with a rico layout.



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Re: Siege
« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2010, 03:28:55 PM »
WOULD ANYONE COMPARE THE STRENGTH OF THE SIEGE WITH A COLUMBIA "BIG BULLY". I JUST GOT A BIG BULLY FROM A TEAMMATE OF MINE IT ONLY HAS ABOUT 10 GAMES ON IT. PIN DOWN AND VERY POWERFUL. ALSO JUST DRILLED UP A C-SYSTEM 3.5. JUST WONDERING IF THE SIEGE WOULD COMPLIMENT EITHER ONE OF THOSE 2 BALLS. ALSO HAVE A FURY AT 1000 GRIT.
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