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Title: Siege
Post by: admin on December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM
- Coverstock: Recoil Reactive - Color: Solid Black / Silver - Hardness: 75-76 - Factory Finish: 1,000 Micro pad - Weight Block: MACE Two-component Asymmetrical Core - RG max: 2.530 - RG int: 2.500 - RG min: 2.474 - RG diff: 0.056 - RG asym: 0.030 - Average RG: 2.8 of 10 - Hook Potential: 170 (Scale 10-175) - Length: 100 (Scale 25-235) - Typical Breakpoint Shape: 85 Angular (Scale Smooth Arc 10-Angular 100) - Flare Potential: 0.056 High (Scale Low 0.00-High 0.060) - Description: Coverstock: Introducing Recoil™ coverstock the next extension in Brunswick coverstock technology. Recoil is a evolutionary coverstock developed by Brunswick to improve the mid-lane and backend traction of the ball on today’s slicker oils and lane surfaces. The Recoil coverstock was discovered through testing of new formulation additives and process changes in coverstock manufacturing. Core: M.A.C.E. – Mechanical Asymmetric Core Engineering. The MACE™ core has three major benefits, Ultra Low RG core system to engage the Recoil coverstock, High RG differential to aid in traction through heavy oil and High RG asymmetric differential to quicken the response time to friction. Designed as a two component elliptical core system, the MACE core is dynamically the strongest asymmetric core ever produced for a Brunswick ball. Ball Motion: The Siege™ unites the new Recoil coverstock and the MACE core to produce a ball motion that is both aggressive in the oil and aggressive on the backend. The Siege is your ball when your game needs help battling heavy oil conditions and poor pin action. Seize the lanes, Conquer the pins, Defeat your opponent!!
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: STL Cardinals on June 12, 2009, 12:53:24 PM
Siege is drilled with the pin above ring finger with the cg kicked out one inch from middle of grip with no weight hole needed. Bowled with it on a 39 foot sport pattern that had medium to heavy volume. e Siege was great. Ball rolls very clean and read the midlane great and continued through the pins unlike any other Brunswick ball I have seen. The Siege is comparable to the Virtual for sure. This is easily Brunswick's best ball produced in a long while. I normally do not throw much Brunswick equipment but this Siege is not like the Brunswick of the last few years it reads the midlane and continues through the pins for great carry. GREAT BALL
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: SRPSDAP on June 17, 2009, 12:22:52 PM
Just drilled the Siege last week and wow this ball is amazing. Drilled 4 3/8 Pin to PAP by 5 MB to PAP at 55 degrees with pin under ring finger. Changed surface to 1500 to get a little added length. There have been shots that I have missed wide or thought wouldn't carry but the Siege recovered and crushed the pocket leaving nothing in its path. This ball hooks at least 5 boards more than anything in my bag. Although this ball hooks a ton, it is still very controllable. The Siege allows you to open up the lanes and hit transitions faster and still carry while most balls struggle to do this. Carrydown doesn't seem to bother the Siege, and I am amazed at the energy at which it hits the pocket. So far I have bowled on a typical house shot and the PBA Chameleon pattern. Even on harder shots the Siege's amazing recovery allows you to play multiple angles on the lane and still carry. I look forward to bowling on more conditions with this great ball. Having the confidence in the Siege that I do, I know I will only continue to be more and more impressed. --------------------
Daniel Perry Striking Results Pro Shop Raleigh, NC
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: UpstateProShopChris on June 17, 2009, 04:03:01 PM
Drill Specs: Pin to PAP - 4.75†Degree From VAL: 40" Vertical Pin Orientation: Up Drill Angle - 55" Very small P2 Balance hole
Surface:
OOB 1000 Grit Micropad
The Seige is a phenomenal ball that reacts just as advertised. This ball has a very angular and predictable move on oilier conditions with power never before seen in a Brunswick Ball. Track flare when throwing the ball in the oiliest part of the lane was often times greater than 6 inches! This is by far and away the strongest core used in a Brunswick ball and it shows. The Seige is longer and has a quicker response to friction at the breakpoint when compared to the Maxx Zone. On a heavier pattern like the shark the Seige will be a great complement to the Maxx Zone when a quicker response ball is needed to open up the lane. The new Seige from Brunswick...the new standard in angular heavy oil balls. Brunswick puts the pins under Seige! -------------------- Chris Garrett Upstate Pro Shop Greenville, SC - 1-866-490-9980 Upstateproshop@charter.net
PBA Member Brunswick Advisory Staff Vise Regional Staff
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: Verbs on June 17, 2009, 11:06:46 PM
The Siege is a much different motion coming from a Brunswick than we have scene before.
Out of the box, it will handle the oiliest of conditions with a very strong, continuous arch. Certainly not skid/snap, but a much more angular motion than any previous solid coverstock from Brunswick.
What has intrigued me with the Siege is even though it is a strong asymmetric cored ball, it doesn't make that sudden move when it see's friction, like many other strong, asymmetric balls. Most asymmetrical balls make a very strong move when they see friction. Then travels in a straight line in the direction it changed to. Sort of a point to point reaction. The Siege makes a strong move when it encounters friction, but seems to still continue its strong, arching motion.
After playing more with the surface, I have found the Siege to be extremely versatile. I can see where a player would want to drill 2 or 3 of these, with different surface preparations, to overcome a wide range of conditions.
I am very impressed with versatility of the Siege and can see that the R & D dept. has been working overtime to come up with a ball as good as the Siege.
Verbs -------------------- Larry Verble
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: K Lawson on June 18, 2009, 01:59:02 AM
Brunswick's Siege is a new high end ball designed to combat heavier volume oil patterns. The Siege has a asymmetric core named M.A.C.E. (Mechanical Asymmetric Core Engineering) which is a very Low RG core designed work with a new coverstock call Recoil. The M.A.C.E. core's High differential will assist traction in higher volume patterns and the High RG asymmetric differential will allow the Siege to respond quicker to friction. Brunswick's Recoil cover is designed to improve mid-lane and backend reaction that allows you to combat today's oils and lane surfaces.
I smoothed the Siege down to 4000 abralon then drilled it 45x5x65 with a weight hole about one inch from the mass bias mark. On the house pattern this ball created surprising length, strong but controllable move at the break, and it went through the pins with amazing energy. I was able to use this ball for 2 out of the 3 games in league competition before it became too much ball. I then tested my Siege on the 2009 USBC pattern even though I had to play the lanes straighter the ball still gave me a really good reaction, but I wanted to see what the Siege would do if I took it back to 1000 abralon. After The quick surface adjustment the Siege really showed its teeth I had more area at the break point (a good 2 to 3 boards) with this ball than I have had with my other equipment. I found it really great that even at the 1000 abralon finish the ball still cleared the heads and maintained energy at the pins. I would have say that I have found my new favorite ball to use on high volume patterns.
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: Brunschick on June 18, 2009, 11:20:40 AM
I recently drilled my Siege and threw it out of the box but found it to be a little too strong for my game (hig ball speed, medium rev rate) so I brought the surface up to 2000 and it's given me a much better read on the lanes.
My Siege is drilled pin to the right of my ring finger with the cg stacked under it and a hole by the thumb. I wanted to maximize this balls potential so I made sure to match it with a stronger drilling that has worked for me in the past. I have not thrown this ball on a variety of different patterns just yet but these are my thoughts as to when I feel I would.
I see myself utilizing this ball when there is a lot more volume in the patterns - not to be confused with the length of the pattern. I think that's a big mistake people make, they see a long pattern and automatically go to their strongest ball when in all reality if the volume is low that isn't necessary more than half the time. So again, I would forsee myself using this when the volumes are a bit higher to where I could get the ball through the oil and still save some energy to finish in the back.
[limeGreen] -------------------- Stefanie Nation
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: Mason R Brantley on June 23, 2009, 05:55:07 PM
HATS OFF TO BRUNSWICK. I really like the Siege. It is a very strong, but predictable ball reaction. It kinda reminds me of a Virtual Gravity, but it is cleaner through the heads and has more continuation off the spot. Out of the box, the shell is way too strong to use. So I polished it just a touch with the Brunswick Polish and hit the ball with 2000 abro. I drilled the pattern as a 3 3/8 Pin Tall with a 50 degree mass bias. It aloud me to play in and never worry about getting it back. I used it during the regional tournament in Centerville this weekend. I went 234 over and finished 6 for the squad. I won a match and lost by 1 to Ronnie Russell in the rd of 8. I never hit the pocket so much in a regional as I did this weekend with this ball. It also gets the corner out when it finishes. Got to love that!
I have already put in a order to get 2 more and I asked Rick Benoit to help with more different ways to layout out this ball. I think Brunswick's definitely on to something.
Do me a favor, and continue making black bowling balls. They have always been a success for your company. Whether its a pearl, particle, or even a solid. Everyone of your great balls that sold a ton is BLACK. Keep up making great products.
Mason R. Brantley (Future PBA Hall of Famer)
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: devildog819 on June 26, 2009, 10:48:26 AM
Bowler Style - Tweener Ball Speed - 15 mph.
Ball drilling - Pin 6" from axis and above fingers, mass bias at 45 degrees small weight hole on axis
With this ball, I wanted to have a ball that I would be able to play the middle of the lane aggressively without fear of my ball not recovering. Since the house I play in is a "medium" house, I first changed the surface to 4000 then applied polish...(man that ball is pretty)...this ball is clean thru the front and just richochets from the break point and just tomahawks the pins. It is just ridiculous how hard this ball hits...Its like thunder claps in the sky...I am definately going to order another one of these and drill differently for the sport and tournament conditions. Thank you Brunswick.
Roger Harley, Jr IBPSIA Certified Brunsiwck Advisory Staff Turbo 2-n-1 Staff
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: strikingresults-atl on June 30, 2009, 01:00:35 AM
I drilled my siege today with the pin 4 1/2x55x20 with no weight hole and sanded the surface to 2000 abralon.I will say this is a very different motion that i have ever seen in a Brunswick ball.Its very clean through the fronts and is very strong at the breakpoint and very continous with no quit.I compared it to my wild thing.It responds to midlane quicker and it more responsive at the breakpoint with more backend.Brunswick has some awesome balls coming out right now.Dont miss out on some of these awesome pieces that are being released. -------------------- Dannial Cohen
www.strikingresultsatl.com
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: kcbruns300 on June 30, 2009, 04:47:36 AM
Just got my hands on my first Siege. Took from one of my touring buddies. Not my favorite layout for this type of ball, Pin above ring, PSA just right of thumb. Plan on drilling another one with a stronger drilling like 35x4x60.
This ball is everything I thought it would be. It's very forgiving off the breakpoint with a strong backend and continues through the pins like nothing else I own. The ball clears the heads nicely and starts with a very strong midlane. I think I'm going to take this ball up to 2000 or 4000 micro pad just to get it through the middle even more and leave the next one box.
I'd love to see how this ball is going to do for me at some of the upcoming regionals. I'm real excited with the direction Brunswick is headed. -------------------- Taking over the midwest! www.bowlingballdiscounts.com Bowler''s Connection Pro Shop
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: baer300 on July 01, 2009, 03:16:29 PM
I drilled this with a 65x5x40 layout and took the sufcace up to 2000. This is got to be the cleanest solid ever out of a Brunswick ball. I threw this ball on THS and is absolutely amazing. This ball simply hooks. The Siege needs oil to operate properly. This ball is about 3 and 2 stronger than my MAxx drilled similar with alot more backend and alot more continuation. This ball again is everything Brunswick says it is. THis ball is a must have in every bag. I can't say enough about this ball. JUST GO BUY ONE!!! -------------------- Adam Baer BRUNSWICK ADVISORY STAFF VISE REGIONAL STAFF
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: frike300 on July 01, 2009, 03:50:31 PM
I drilled this ball 50X4.5x45. This is definitely the strongest backend asymmetrical ball Brunswick has come out with in quite a while. It is much more continuous than the Twisted Solid. I took mine up to 4000 on the Haus as the summer house condition is a little light. Moving inside the ball had no trouble clearing the front on the fresh and made an explosive move on the back. Box finish works a little better on the USBC pattern, but I easily had 4 more board to the right than any other ball in my bag. This will be the ball that will put Brunswick back on alot of people's radar.
Mike Freundel Brunswick advisory staff
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: RSalas on July 04, 2009, 08:52:57 PM
Ball: Brunswick Siege
Layout:
Pin 5†from PAP below fingers 60-degree locator line angle (Dual-angle: 60 by 5†by 70) No XH
Initial Surface Preparation:
Box finish
Purpose:
To give me a more angular look on oilier medium conditions. I’ve been using a Maxxx Zone on volume, and it does the job well as long as I play more direct. If I need to open up the midlane or back end, though, I usually have to turn to something like the Wild Ride and choke down on the shot, as the Maxxx doesn’t like crossing boards.
Why this ball?
The Siege is intended to be extremely strong, and to compete with the high-end offerings from other manufacturers. It was also designed to be more lateral at the break than other recent Brunswick high-end balls, such as the Twisted Fury Solid.
Observations:
The first time I threw the Siege was at a center with HPL in front and older wood in back. For whatever reason, the lanes weren’t playing quite as forgiving as usual. There wasn’t as much of a launchpad in front, or the usual amount of recovery room to the outside. However, the Siege did a decent job of navigating this condition. I did have to get my feet further left than with the other equipment in the bag, but it still saved enough energy to make a strong move at the break and kick the corners.
I used the Siege again at this center when the condition was playing more favorable, and I was particularly impressed at the way this ball stayed on line in the front part of the lane, and just how angular the reaction was down lane. In box finish, though, I was seeing a bit of over-under at the break during transition, so I took the ball up to 2000 smooth and tried it again the following week. This let me play a straighter trajectory, which improved my carry due to my not giving up as much of the pocket, but I still seemed to have the same recovery when I did lose a shot right of target down lane.
Conclusions:
The first time I threw the Siege, I was reminded of the reaction that I had with the Strike Zone, but without the flutter. The Siege gives me a much cleaner look in the front part of the lane, and gives me more forgiveness at the break. This ball is also significantly less sensitive to minor variations in my release than the Strike Zone was.
The other thing that I’ve noticed with the Siege is that it maintains its presence through the pin deck, even on shots that recover from wide of target. With the Strike Zone, and to a lesser degree the Twisted Fury Solid, I had to be careful to not let the ball didn’t cover too many boards in the back part of the lane, as my carry would suffer. I haven’t yet had this problem with the Siege.
For me, the Siege has proven to be a worthy complement to the Maxxx Zone for higher volumes. On tighter patterns, where I have to play more direct but still need to get the ball into a roll sooner, the Maxxx Zone is still my ball of choice. However, on fresher house or “Holiday Tree†conditions, the Siege will allow me to create more area with its ability to read the dry and recover.
NOTE: The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation. -------------------- Ray Salas Brunswick Amateur Staff http://www.brunswickbowling.com
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: BrunsWolf on July 19, 2009, 10:05:13 PM
Brunswick Siege: 2.75†pin 2.8 oz top
I got this ball because I needed something that would be able to turn the corner and to go around longer and higher volume patterns. Something that my Maxxx Zones struggle with (because of my choice of layouts) is getting deep so that was my main priority in this ball.
Drilling: 50* by 5†by 50*
The only pattern that I’ve thrown the Siege on is a higher volume version of the Chameleon. After this, I wouldn’t dare even try to throw it on my med-dry THS. I found two lines during practice with this ball, I could “boom†it straight up 2 or play a swing from 20 at the laydown to 10 at the breakpoint with the same speed and revs. By “booming†it, I was throwing 18.5-19mph with at least 400 revs. The carry and continuity was simply amazing. My only tap of the night was a ringing 10. Everything else was just destroyed. Trip 4s, trip 9s, insane messengers, 10 pins just getting slapped silly, etc.. Everyone has been talking about how this ball reacts differently than anything in the Brunswick line, and they are correct. The power I saw through the pin deck had me amazed that I didn’t leave a 9 pin all night. As I moved inside, the Siege kept on cornering no matter how far in I moved and still finished VERY strong through the deck. This ball perfectly complements the earlier rolling Maxxx Zone. I can’t wait to throw this ball on a longer pattern like the Shark.
If you’re looking for a high performance asymmetric, the Siege is the ball for you. Control, carry, continuity… Enough said!
ON EDIT: I just bowled a tournament today on the older Shark at 50uL per board instead of 40uL, so it was flooded to say the least. I was able to start up 10 with around 17.5mph off my hand and 400ish rpms. The Siege was perfect for this condition and really showed its true strength. Where other balls might “puke†after finally getting to friction that late downlane, the Siege just kept cornering. I was able to make small moves in throughout the 6 games and the furthest in I got was with a laydown of 17 out to 11 at the breakpoint. As I said, no worries about this ball not cornering and leaving a weak 10 or something similar. Hands down, the Siege is the best asymmetric ball I’ve ever thrown! I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if a couple more ended up working their way in my arsenal.
-------------------- Brunswick Advisory Staff
Jared Wolf Jonesboro, AR www.bowlingchat.net
The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation.
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: Corey C on July 20, 2009, 02:06:20 AM
5" Pin to PAP below fingers 60 degree MB No X hole 4000 Micro Pad
I was very eager to throw this ball with the larger Diff numbers than the Twisted Solid. I like 5" pins and this ball transitions they way I like to see it. The OOB cover was a little too early for me so I took it up to 4000 with no polish. This gave me a little more length in the mids and retained more energy downlane. The was plenty of track flare so no hole was required. I did touch it with polish once as an experiment and the ball didn't read the lane as well so I promptly hit it with the pad again to take it off.
I used this ball almost exclusively at the USBC nationals. When I did make a change it was the wrong one and I went back to the Siege and moved deeper to finish off strong.
The Siege is the perfect benchmark ball for the heavier/fresh conditions. -------------------- Corey Clayton Brunswick Amateur Staff Turbo Grips Staff Team Canada 2007, 2008, & 2009 The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: mike708 on July 27, 2009, 03:02:34 AM
Robert gave me my Siege about two weeks ago and I have not been able to put it down. I drilled mine with a pretty standard stacked leverage drill putting the mass bias in the P3 quadrant, it has a small X-hole about an inch down off my PAP. Out of box this was too much surface for my rev. rate and I found that the ball burned up, I adjusted it up to a 4000 with light polish and it added twenty boards to the hook. This ball handles oil better than my Maxxx Zone( double thumb drill) even at its polished surface. For me the ball clears the heads and picks up the mid-lane with amazing roll that does not die in the back end. I am able to make small adjustments and keep this ball in play even on spotty conditions, in fact I find that it blends patterns better than the rest of my stuff. What most impressed me about this ball is how deep I am able to move without wondering if the ball will burn up in the friction, it does not. This is my favorite of the new releases by Brunswick, I have multiple 300s with it already and I plan on drilling a few more with different patterns. Overall it is an amazing ball and in my opinion the best ball ever produced by Brunswick, it fills the gap in their line for heavy oil but is versatile enough to play on some lighter patterns with surface adjustments.
The pins are under siege Michael Thompson Brunswick Advisory Staff
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: Rick Langton on August 06, 2009, 12:43:14 AM
Pin: Drilled out with ring finger CG: 1/2 from centerline MB: 1 inch to the right of the center line Cover: 4000 sanded and Brunswick factory shine
Condition: Shark, Viper and Chameleon
Strengths: This ball creates friction on heavy and heavy carry down. I did have fool around with the cover to find out what best matched up with my game. If you have heavy forward roll like myself do not be afraid to sand to 4000 and polish, this ball will not lose friction with polish. I found at the arrows I played heavy patterns about the same, where the Siege is different is down lane, this ball recovers like the back ends are freshly cleaned. I normally need to make my line on shark tighter as the day goes on, not with the Siege, this ball allowed me to open up the lane.
Weakness: short oil patterns burned out wood heads.
Overall: This ball with place a Siege on only oil pattern, this ball can be altered to use on any surface, do not be afraid to alter the surface and lay Siege on to the lane pattern.
Richard Langton PBA Member
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: Curt_Dupre on August 12, 2009, 02:13:06 PM
Siege #1 60x4 1/2x27 This ball is pin up with a low hole 4 inches from the midline through the cg. I have thrown Brunswick equipment for about two years now. This ball I believe is something we have never seen from Brunswick. This ball does not quit. I threw it at the Plano regional on viper. I played around 15 to 8 and moved my feet in from there. This ball made a hard arc to the hole and it was very continuous through the pins. The ball made a predictable move everytime. I did have this ball at out of box finish too. The ball just never burned in heads. Siege #2 65x4 3/4x60 This ball is pin down with no hole. Mass Bias is about an inch and a half from thumb. This ball gives me a completely different reaction. I can play a straighter angle through the front part of the lane. This ball is also out of box. I threw it the first two games on the fresh at the plano regional. It was very predictable and went through the pins hard everytime.
Go out and buy this ball. You will not be disappointed. The reaction from brunswick's new line is second to none and really different. Curt Dupre IV
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: Corey C on September 05, 2009, 12:31:03 AM
Siege #2
5.5" pin to PAP Pin above fingers 70 degree MB, No Hole 4000 abralon
PBA Shark Pattern
When I started practicing I didn't think this Siege would have a quick enough response to carry on the Shark. I had a great look with a Wild Thing and a Fury Pearl TE, so I really wanted to compare. My adjustment was only two boards right and the Siege hit hard and carried well. The 4000 cover definitely helped with the downlane reaction, an OOB finish will be earlier and less angular.
I'll use this Siege on the longer patterns and the low pin on the medium patterns. The Siege is my favorite solid asym from Brunswick. -------------------- Corey Clayton Brunswick Amateur Staff Turbo Grips Staff Team Canada 2007, 2008, & 2009 The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: baer300 on September 05, 2009, 11:56:29 AM
I drilled my second Siege last week. Thanks to Chuck Gardner for a great layout suggestion. We wanted to see this one just peel off the spot. We drilled this one 65x5x25. Let me tell you what, this ball reacts down lane like a pearl. It is amazing. The first night out with this ball shot 290. This is an amazing ball for oil. It reads the lane better than any other oiler I have seen. Great midlane and plenty of traction down lane. Between the 2 I have, still no flat tens yet. This is saying alot as I am a high rev player, and usually strong solid covers tend to be weak downlane for me. The Siege does not have this characteristic. This ball also takes surface changes very well. Do not hesitate on buying one, you will not be disappointed. -------------------- Adam Baer BRUNSWICK ADVISORY STAFF VISE REGIONAL STAFF The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: Ed_Smaglik on September 22, 2009, 05:17:39 PM
Drill Pattern: 5.5" PIN to PAP 60 degree angle from PAP-PIN-CG Pin located above bridge
Review: This ball was drilled for USBC team event over the summer, with the goal of having something core heavy enough to get the ball started at moderate angles through moderate-heavy volume, but with enough continuation for carry. I entered the event with the ball at box surface, and that was too much for the pattern. I ended up using other equipment for the remainder of the event.
For the minor events, I brought the ball up to 2000 grit abralon and added a touch of polish to it. It read the pattern very well, providing a predictable midlane arc with a strong finish. Unfortunately, due to an injury, I was not able to complete the minor events, but I do have some comments on the ball's performance (I am now recovered...woo-hoo!)
My experience with this ball since the minor events has been with the 2000 grit polished abralon surface described above. The ball has continued to provide a predictable reaction on a variety of medium volume, medium length conditions. Of note is that the ball carries fairly predictably on less than pure shots, typically a hallmark of a solid piece of equipment, in my opinion. I have no experience yet with the ball on longer, heavier patterns (oil is at a premium in Flagstaff).
If you have any questions about this review, feel free to contact me.
Ed Smaglik
-------------------- Ed Smaglik 2008 Las Vegas Red Hot Champion 2009 February Mini-Eliminator Champion
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: Dwight Albrecht on October 06, 2009, 12:50:34 AM
Brunswick Siege Ball Specs The ball being drilled was a 3†pin out with 3.00 oz top weight. Drilling: Pin 4" from PAP and Mb 45 degrees from PAP, 25 degrees V.A.L. Line DUAL ANGLE. Pin is above ring finger. Weight Hole on the axis. Factory Sanded 1000.
Bowler Information: Track diameter is 11 5/8. PAP is measured at 4 11/16 over and 11/16 up. Average ball speed (foul line to head pin) is 13 mph. Axis rotation is typically 90 degrees Initial rev rate is typically 200 rpm, "Tweener" Lane Condition and Pattern: New Berlin Bowl HPL 9000 Panel. Oil Pattern: THS condition medium oil outsides, heavier oil inside, semi clean backends.
Review: While I am out recovering from Hip replacement surgery, I am having my daughter Ashley test this ball for me. 180 Average 17 year old with medium to slow speed and a low spinner type track.
The Siege is a great ball for her for medium to oily lanes. It revs up much quicker than her Twisted Fury Solid, the Siege is cleaner through the front 20 feet of the lane compared to her Twisted Fury Solid and back ends stronger than the Twisted Fury Solid giving her a better motion on the lane. You can tell Brunswick set it's goals on making a better reacting ball from the Twisted Solid and they have achieved this goal. For a fairly rough ball, it does not seem to shine as quick either with oil absorbent covers. The Siege is 4 with her feet and 2 with her mark strong than her Wild Thing. Great ball for speed dominant players or anyone bowling on heavier oil.
Thanks for reading my review. Dwight
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: bingadot on October 06, 2009, 09:29:36 PM
Test Ball: Brunswick Siege
Drill Pattern: 45 degree drilling angle, 4-1/2 inch pin from PAP, 25-degree angle to VAL, weight hole 1 inch below PAP.
Surface: 1000 grit sanded with Brunswick Rough Buff Polish
I tested the Siege on a 40-foot typical house shot, medium volume of oil. The ball certainly breaks the mold of traditional Brunswick motion. The ball cleared the heads with ease and practically jumped off the back ends! Shots that missed outside easily recovered to the pocket with enough kick to carry. Inside misses did not hydroplane excessively, but rather rolled strong enough to drive through the pocket with vigor.
When the same ball faced a heavier carry down situation I did find a slight tendency to waffle at the breakpoint. A simple coverstock adjustment with a worn out 1000 grit pad added just enough kick to compensate.
I was surprised at the sharp change of direction this ball and layout displayed so I tested a few layouts on higher rev players to test control.
Test Subject A:
4-1/2 inch pin, 4-1/2 inch MB, 4-inch pin buffer, box finish. Test subject detests sharp change of direction. On same fresh 40-foot house shot Subject found great predictability and power. The Siege was forgiving front to back and very impressive impact. The lower pin position and MB adjustment smoothed the ball’s transition out without eliminating all of the ball’s recovery.
Test Subject B:
2-inch pin, 6 inch MB, 2-inch pin buffer, box finish. This layout allowed another extremely high rev player to square up closer to the oil line on the fresh pattern without the ball overreacting at the break point. Understandably, the ball’s backend reaction was muted but in the hands of such a powerful player carry was not sacrificed significantly. The overall hook potential was reduced but the ball outperformed most of his arsenal on more flat lane conditions.
Conclusions:
First of all, I want to thank Brunswick for the initial test ball. Anyone who is skeptical about Brunswick’s ability to create the sexy sharp change of direction that is so popular currently needs to give this ball a test drive! I was pleasantly surprised at the new look and I am confident that you will be as well.
The ball displays generous hook potential and great versatility via surface and layout adjustments. I feel like we have already found one of the Must Have balls of the new season!
Ed Rondot
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: Drillmn300 on October 16, 2009, 03:57:14 AM
It must be the fact that I don't have a strong wrist or the Pro lanes I have just don't have enough friction as this ball will not roll up for me if I want to swing it. I drilled it up with a 40-4.5"-45 and have changed the cover up to 4,000 and down to 1,000. It is a great ball if you plan on playing down and in and I don't think it can be beat if those are your intentions. I have only tried it on the Pro lanes and not at the other house with the SPL's but after 3 leagues on typical house patterns I plugged it and gave it to a lefty that loves playing down and in. This ball may be perfect on wood lanes or lanes with more friction not on Pro lanes with my release. -------------------- David W. Bolt Silver Certified USBC Coach 2 IBPSIA Advanced Technical Certified Pro Shops Bowlers Map Digitrax Check out a location near you!
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: 86camaroman on October 26, 2009, 12:03:09 PM
I drilled a 15lb siege first time with a rico drill. I am a high 220 average bowler on a house shot bowl left handed have 370 to 400 rpms with a pap of 4 over and 1/8th up I have drilled alot of brunswick stuff and never fell in love with any of it I have had almost every fury ball they have put out only one I cared for was the twisted fury and still not in love with it. The siege is a whole different look then the normal brunswick stuff or old brunswick stuff hopefully they do more reactions that are similar you would think the ball would be really early by looking at it but its not out of box the ball gets through the heads very easily with a nice very predictable move to the pocket and good hit I drilled the ball about a month ago and if the ball keeps its reaction I would say it is a benchmark ball you can get a great read with this ball and should be kept in your bag for tournament arsenal Highly recommend
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: applegam on October 27, 2009, 11:53:44 PM
After reading how aggressive this ball was, I decided to go with a control layout for me. Pin over the bridge, no hole, and the MB at 45 deg. This ended up at about 5 1/8 from my PAP. I first tried the ball on a couple of longer patterns at factory surface. I was not impressed. I'm a fairly high rev player, and the ball was just losing all of it's energy at 45 feet. I decided to take it up to 2000 abralon and put a bit of polish on it. To say that I was surprised would be an understatement. It was like the ball woke up from a coma! Such a clean movement through the heads and a serious move at the back end. I'm sure it works for other players at 1000 micro pad, but it just wasn't for me.
This is really new territory for Big B in my opinion. I've punched up 2 Virtual Gravity's in the last year. One with the identical layout of this Siege. The Siege has a very similar ball motion down the lane, by a more predictable move at the break point. I really like the VG, but this one is has moved the bar up a notch.
Final thoughts - Don't be afraid to adjust the surface on this bad boy. This is a very forgiving piece that with a proper layout and surface will work on multiple conditions. It's the type of reaction that was made for the USBC national shot. Can't wait!
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: BowlingGeo on January 08, 2010, 01:21:36 PM
First thing that comes to my ind about this ball is aggression!! Drilling: Pin above ring with mb an inch and a half away from my thumb. LBS: 15
I attempted to use this ball on the house pattern with the out of box finish, but seems to be a little too strong. Then I used this ball on the new shark pattern and this ball had no problem reacting. This ball used in oil is just a perfect fit. When I polished this ball it got down the lane a lot quicker and had a sharper reaction off the dry instead of a smooth reaction when at box finish.
Overall the Siege is a great ball for oil. When bowling a lot of games on oil this ball really reads the transitions well and never gives you the over/under reaction. Brunswick's bowling equipment is really showing that it is best stuff out there right now!!!
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: brandonje96 on January 13, 2010, 06:37:42 PM
I got this ball drilled pin under ring finger for nice smooth arch since.Ball wasnt reacting real strong so sanded it down to 320 abralon hook more but not enough. So i decided to plug it and get a different layout. So i decided on drilling it rico and it is amazing with a rico layout.
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: 4THELOVEOFBRUNSWICK on February 03, 2010, 03:28:55 PM
WOULD ANYONE COMPARE THE STRENGTH OF THE SIEGE WITH A COLUMBIA "BIG BULLY". I JUST GOT A BIG BULLY FROM A TEAMMATE OF MINE IT ONLY HAS ABOUT 10 GAMES ON IT. PIN DOWN AND VERY POWERFUL. ALSO JUST DRILLED UP A C-SYSTEM 3.5. JUST WONDERING IF THE SIEGE WOULD COMPLIMENT EITHER ONE OF THOSE 2 BALLS. ALSO HAVE A FURY AT 1000 GRIT. -------------------- MOTTO''S On Debate Be careful of your thoughts they may brcome words at any moment. On Finance It''s not hard to meet expenses... they''re everywhere. On Self-worth I am a nobody, and nobody is perfect therefore I am perfect. On Philosophy I''m in my own little world. But it''s OK, they all know me here. On Politics I don''t approve of political jokes, I''ve seen to many of them get elected.
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: Geoffrey_Young on June 09, 2010, 01:08:22 AM
WOW WHAT A BALL WITH A LOT OF ROLL AND POP ON THE BACK END. I drilled my siege pin up with the cg kicked a little. I used this ball on the house patter and played left of 4th arrow and got a really great reaction. When I added polish to this ball I was able to move further right on the lane and keep the same break point. When this ball is taken to 500 this ball really read the lane earlier but smoothed out the back end reaction that was sharper when at box finish or even polished. For this ball being in the pro performance line it really is a great addition when need to throw a ball on slicker lane condition and needing to get more hook on the back end.
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: pbaexp12 on July 02, 2010, 02:44:14 PM
This ball is new to me I got it and another on a trade here at ball reviews. I didn't know what to expect sence I had not read about the ball before. All I have to say is wow!! Shot 700 out the bag on a pro shot and used it again in league last night with success. This ball rolls alot like my dimension ball. nice and even and handles heavy oil with ease. Looking forward to throwing it again very soon. great ball brunswick!
Title: Re: Siege
Post by: batbowler on January 12, 2011, 09:53:32 PM
LANE CONDITION
Length:39'
Volume:Medium
Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc):THS
COMMENTS
Used the dual angle layout of 45deg x 4" x 70deg, which placed the pin below my ring finger and the mb right of val with a weight hole in the P3 location. Ball is really clean thru the heads with a nice midlane read and predictable move at the break point! I really like the way this ball reads the lanes and has great carry, except for some solid 9 pins!!!!
Likes:Strong predictable roll with great carry.
Dislikes: Didn't drill it sooner!
PICTURES AND/OR VIDEOS
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