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jdcron

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1oz Positive Side
« on: June 10, 2010, 12:41:23 AM »
So my team member tells me to have this bowling ball ball Twisted Fury Solid drilled "1oz positive side and 1/2 oz finger. I don't know what this means but he says it will help my game.
I am a lefty stroker, throw down the first arrow sometimes a little to the right of it. I have a low track and throw a 14lb ball at between 11 and 14 mph. So can anyone tell me what the above means for me and any ideas to improve my game. I have a 160 average and want to better that. Thanks all.
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agroves

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Re: 1oz Positive Side
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2010, 08:48:10 AM »
This should be fun.....

1oz positive side, means that if you cut the ball in half thru the grip, the left side of your ball would be 1oz heavier.

However, static weights me NOTHING for the modern bowling ball.  They are insignificant to overall ball motion.  

What is the problem you are facing regarding ball motion?  Want more hook?  More backend?  Whats up?
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BKloss

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Re: 1oz Positive Side
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2010, 08:49:14 AM »
This is just my opinion, but static weights mean very very little in today's ball reaction, if it matters at all. Surface, Weight hole location, Layout, etc mean so much more.

Maybe list what your issues are and what you want to achieve.
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kidlost2000

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Re: 1oz Positive Side
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2010, 08:52:31 AM »
It will do nothing for your game if any ball has those exact specs vs many of the others possible.

For a 160 average bowler if you get some practice in and improve on spares and consistency your average will improve by a lot. Spares are what keep your scores up when your not striking.

Your friends is under the impression that one once of positive side weight will give the ball more hook and the finger weight will maybe help with sooner roll as well.

None of that is really important. The Twisted Fury Solid is a great ball that should work well for you. Just talk with the guy at the proshop drilling the ball and maybe have him watch you bowl a little so he knows your style. Then tell him what your looking for in ball reaction and see what he recommends.

There use to be a post on here that listed a lot of different things from beginning to end on pin placement, static weights, surfaces, terms and ect but I couldn't find it.
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…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

jdcron

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Re: 1oz Positive Side
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2010, 09:03:57 AM »
Great feed back thanks a lot. The guy that told me about the 1oz thing is older and old school thus, the reason for asking.
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Re: 1oz Positive Side
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2010, 09:33:49 AM »
Rank in effect on ball motion (in my humble opinion):

1- Bowler''''s style: Speed, revs, rotation, etc.

2- Surface, surface, surface

3- Core design and layout, pin to PAP, etc ....

Somewhere down the list- That 1 ounce of side weight

The Twisted Fury Solid for me needed the surface around 4000 before it was very useful for the conditions I was seeing at the time. Good luck.


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Verbs

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Re: 1oz Positive Side
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2010, 06:59:42 PM »
WAY down the list.

quote:
Rank in effect on ball motion (in my humble opinion):

1- Bowler''''s style: Speed, revs, rotation, etc.

2- Surface, surface, surface

3- Core design and layout, pin to PAP, etc ....

Somewhere down the list- That 1 ounce of side weight

The Twisted Fury Solid for me needed the surface around 4000 before it was very useful for the conditions I was seeing at the time. Good luck.


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Edited on 6/10/2010 9:37 AM

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laufaye

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Re: 1oz Positive Side
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2010, 12:47:22 AM »
quote:
Rank in effect on ball motion (in my humble opinion):

1- Bowler''''s style: Speed, revs, rotation, etc.

2- Surface, surface, surface

3- Core design and layout, pin to PAP, etc ....

Somewhere down the list- That 1 ounce of side weight

The Twisted Fury Solid for me needed the surface around 4000 before it was very useful for the conditions I was seeing at the time. Good luck.


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Brunswick Pro Shop Staff

www.brunswickbowling.com

The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation.

Edited on 6/10/2010 9:37 AM

Edited on 6/10/2010 11:03 AM


Try not to listen to your friend should rank #1....just saying
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agroves

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Re: 1oz Positive Side
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2010, 12:48:51 AM »
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WAY down the list.


Like what 18 out of the 22 things the USBC tested and ranked?
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agroves

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Re: 1oz Positive Side
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2010, 08:02:38 AM »
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Re: 1oz Positive Side
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2010, 11:28:32 AM »
jdcron: Per what others have stated here, there are many other factors you should consider in setting up a ball before worrying about static weights. You certainly should be able to get your average in the 190-200 range just focusing on fundamentals and spare making. Technical ball intricacies will fall into place later.

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Good vid.


agroves: Without dredging up all kinds of discussions in the past, if you map out the actual reactions in the second half of the sequence, the positive weight shots go through the nose and the negative backs backs off. Use your own analytical capabilities to evaluate what you actually see.

The USBC concluded the same thing you should have seen in the video:

http://www.bowlingdigital.com/bowl/node/2814

Concluding remarks were the following:

 
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In closing, both sides of the center of gravity debate should be able to appreciate this study, since it does show a difference between positive weight and side weight however, that difference only amounts to about a 10 percent difference overall in change of position on the lanes.
 


Each individual bowler will have to determine what a 10% means their game.
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