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YeahHossNV

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Actual Radical pics
« on: June 30, 2006, 06:31:58 PM »
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Re: Actual Radical pics
« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2006, 09:58:07 AM »
The red zone is much closer to a classic reaction with absolute no squirtiness from the pearl.

and yeah .." No wants to sleep with ric....." LOL JK!
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« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2006, 10:49:58 AM »
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Am I the only one who thinks the ball looks kinda ugly? The blue and chrome portion look OK, but I don't like that yellow at all. Almost makes it look like a cousin of the Robo Rule (which is unsightly).
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« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2006, 11:20:31 AM »
I have not looked at the numbers yet to compare.  But, how is the Radical going to compare to the Intense Inferno?  I have thrown the Intense and it was pretty angular on the backend.  I liked the Intense better than the Smokin simply because I thought the Smokin was way too squirty on longer patterns and carrydown. How will the Rad compare to the Intense?
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Re: Actual Radical pics
« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2006, 11:26:39 AM »
Regardless of the arguments here on what this ball actually does, I am still going to get one just because you cant beleive the hype or rumors that tend to start on internet based forums like this one. I for one like the color combination of the ball. Also, I have heard the myth of a bowling balls color also effecting the overall performance of the ball.
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« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2006, 01:18:39 PM »
Yeah, I'd still like to hear an answer to those two questions, that gives some scientific reason for the difference.  I don't mean to harass, please give me an answer and if its good I'll accept it and maybe go out and get one of them, if its a smoke screen of an answer I'll refute it and give you an opportunity to respond back.  Please, how is the Wizard different than the Nemesis, and how is the Red Zone different than the Strike Zone (other than the factory polish)
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« Reply #36 on: July 05, 2006, 09:56:26 AM »
To hijack this thread even further, I have a question.

Just out of curiosity, exactly what kind of answer would Ric or anyone else from Brunswick have to give the two of you in order satisfy you?

Maybe the two of you are experts in polymers.  Maybe you're just generally more intelligent than the rest of us.  However, when I see that the Red reacts differently than a polished Strike, and the Wizard reacts differently than the Nemesis...well, that's enough for simple ol' me.
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« Reply #37 on: July 05, 2006, 10:38:48 AM »
The point is that pk 18 + bell core should equal pk18 + bell core

Rich sees a great deal of Big B balls in testing and just generally in his job.  He can see a fresh Nemesis drilled the same as a fresh Wizard with the same finish, so he has a perspective that the typical bowler cannot see.  I'm not saying necessarily that he lied, but being a Brunswick Staffer may make him biased, so considering this, I fall back on my knowledge, that the BVP Nemesis and the BVP Wizard are said to be of the same composition.  I would like to have a scientific reason for a difference in reaction.  As was shown already in this thread, some have different perspectives, Wizard earlier and smoother than the Nemesis or Wizard later and stronger than the Nemesis.  It seems like they're merely the same.
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« Reply #38 on: July 05, 2006, 03:12:05 PM »
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What would make me happy is if BrunsRich or SOMEONE from Brunswick would either A) own up to the fact that yes, we were initially correct


you must think Brunswick is not aware that the initial perception that they are identical.

from my experience, factory polishing is vastly different than aftermarket polishing.

Brunswick isnt stupid, they've been in this business for WAYYYY too long to make a production mistake as obvious as just changing colors and slapping a new label on the ball.

There must be a difference between the two, significant enough to produce an entirely new ball.

give this ball some time to shake out before jumping all over Brunswick.

if you havent thrown both balls yourself, i think you shouldnt be allowed to speculate the similarity between the two.
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RSalas

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« Reply #39 on: July 05, 2006, 03:23:24 PM »
Points taken, and well expressed.

I would like to add, though, that the ball reactions that Brunswick sees at their test facility probably won't exactly match those that we see at our local centers.  As we all well know, house shots can have that uncanny ability to make bowling balls that are designed to yield different reactions look the same or nearly so.  So it wouldn't surprise me at all that, for some number of bowlers, on some number of conditions, a Red might just be too much like a polished Strike to warrant owning both, and likewise with the Nemesis and the Wizard.  However, from the reports I've been hearing from the Senior stops, there does seem to be a place in the bag for these new pieces--for some bowlers, at least.
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BallsDeep

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« Reply #40 on: July 05, 2006, 05:01:11 PM »
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What would make me happy is if BrunsRich or SOMEONE from Brunswick would either A) own up to the fact that yes, we were initially correct


you must think Brunswick is not aware that the initial perception that they are identical.

from my experience, factory polishing is vastly different than aftermarket polishing.

Brunswick isnt stupid, they've been in this business for WAYYYY too long to make a production mistake as obvious as just changing colors and slapping a new label on the ball.

There must be a difference between the two, significant enough to produce an entirely new ball.

give this ball some time to shake out before jumping all over Brunswick.

if you havent thrown both balls yourself, i think you shouldnt be allowed to speculate the similarity between the two.


I personally mentioned, (as did twoheadedboy) that the Factory polish could create a difference between the Strike and Red as factory polish is different than polishing the ball on a spinner.  I personally do not think this difference vast as you put it however, it is slight.  Even this being so what is the difference between the Wizard and the Nemesis?

These answers still have not been given on a level that could even be considered as satisfactory.  I will jump on Brunswick because either a) the balls are the same and Brunswick has essentially shown no innovation and tried to pull the wool over the eyes of the common ball consumer or b) they have mis reported the technical aspects of the balls in question.

Although some people like myself go out onto this forum and to the sites of various companies, most people buy based on either the reputation of a ball (a la the One from Ebonite), buy based on the general info of a ball (pearl/solid or high diff/rg, low diff/rg, etc.), or there are those that buy based on color.  None of these people ecept possibly the more perceptive of the second category will question the new good looking ball.


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« Reply #41 on: July 05, 2006, 05:06:56 PM »
ooooooooooooooo... Radicalllllllllll
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MegaMav

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« Reply #42 on: July 05, 2006, 05:15:54 PM »
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BallsDeep


looking at your profile, you own a strike zone.

do you own a Red Zone as well?
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BallsDeep

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« Reply #43 on: July 05, 2006, 05:20:56 PM »
NO I don't have a Red Zone, nor do I have any plans to purchase one.  If it was something different that I could have verified by technical info I may go out and get one, but that doesn't seem likely.
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MegaMav

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« Reply #44 on: July 05, 2006, 05:33:53 PM »
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NO I don't have a Red Zone


so how can you judge a release that...

#1 you havent seen with your own eyes
#2 you havent thrown it

answer the above, if you cant, then maybe you'll understand why Brunswick reps wont answer your inquiry.

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« Reply #45 on: July 05, 2006, 06:39:41 PM »
You guys want to know the difference between a red zone and a polished strike zone correct, or at least why Brunswick says they're different?  Let's be real.  Assuming there is a difference, it would be because of the chemical composition of the coverstocks.  You guys are hung up on the name of the cover.  I mean hell, I'm sure there's a molecular difference between the "activator solid" on the ultimate inferno compared to that of the strike zone.  You could probably call the Strike Zone coverstock Activator 2.  But we'll never know unless someone rips off the cover of a UI and slaps it on a strike zone.  It comes down to chemistry; if there really is a difference between the Red and a polished Strike, it would be on a molecular level.  And to be frank, I'm doubting that the majority of users here have a phD in chemical engineering so it would be babble.

And I'm not defending the difference between said balls, I'm just telling you why Ric can't truly tell you WHY they'd be different.  Well, without a LONG explanation regarding chemistry and compounds that most people probably wouldn't understand.  Honestly, it's like asking them why is Activator different than PK18.  Now, with that said, I really doubt we'd see a difference between them on a house shot.  Considering a THS can make med-light balls look the same as med-heavy...
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