Post by: YeahHossNV on June 30, 2006, 06:31:58 PM
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Post by: a_ak57 on July 01, 2006, 11:27:15 AM
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Post by: BrunsMike on July 01, 2006, 12:40:36 PM
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NE Lake County IL
Sanctioned Highs:
775 Series/288 Game
Sanct. Ave. (Ending 2006) 198 (THS)
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?ms=12886&mp=552&s=2005-2006
PBA/Sport Highs: Game 225, Series 602.
Post by: htotheizzo3561 on July 01, 2006, 12:46:02 PM
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Yo Yo Yo Mo Fo
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¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Post by: BrunsMike on July 01, 2006, 01:08:27 PM
quote:
where does it say its made?
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Yo Yo Yo Mo Fo
Why does that matter? Weather its made in the US or Mexico, brunswick will still produce a great product.
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Mike Zadler
NE Lake County IL
Sanctioned Highs:
775 Series/288 Game
Sanct. Ave. (Ending 2006) 198 (THS)
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?ms=12886&mp=552&s=2005-2006
PBA/Sport Highs: Game 225, Series 602.
Post by: Brent2k05 on July 01, 2006, 01:39:35 PM
Everyone will get one some way by then.
Post by: YeahHossNV on July 01, 2006, 05:34:43 PM
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"Viva la Nacion"
Post by: YeahHossNV on July 01, 2006, 10:17:13 PM
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"Viva la Nacion De Brunswick"
Post by: htotheizzo3561 on July 01, 2006, 11:14:35 PM
quote:quote:
where does it say its made?
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Yo Yo Yo Mo Fo
Why does that matter? Weather its made in the US or Mexico, brunswick will still produce a great product.
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Mike Zadler
NE Lake County IL
Sanctioned Highs:
775 Series/288 Game
Sanct. Ave. (Ending 2006) 198 (THS)
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?ms=12886&mp=552&s=2005-2006
PBA/Sport Highs: Game 225, Series 602.
It looked like in the pics that only the serial and usbc logo were on the ball, not the typically made in ________. I'm sure the quality will be the same, just was curious as to where it was being made.
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Post by: Panic on July 02, 2006, 01:08:52 AM
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\M/ METAL MILITA \M/Post by: CG_Matters on July 02, 2006, 01:11:43 AM
Post by: BrunsNick on July 02, 2006, 02:01:51 AM
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Brunswick -=- PBA 03-06
http://www.BrunsNick.com
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Post by: BallsDeep on July 03, 2006, 10:24:28 AM
I'm looking foward to seeing the Radical however. How would this ball compare to a Vapor Zone. I know that the vapor is an asym, but it has similarities to what your description said. Longer than the Absolute, but with more angle at the breakpoint. Is the Radical even longer and stronger?
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Post by: RSalas on July 03, 2006, 11:51:23 AM
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Here ya go. It's so beautiful.
Looks like a Target Zone to me.
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Post by: Next Level PS on July 03, 2006, 01:29:19 PM
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Post by: YeahHossNV on July 03, 2006, 10:31:25 PM
Regarding the Radical I feel it has a place in every persons bag. It is extremely clean through the heads, reads the last part of the midlane and creates angle through the back. Compared to the Vapor Zone, I feel that the Radical reads the midlane about 2-3 feet later and has about 3-4 boards more backend. This comparison is with both of them at a ruff buff finish.
Maybe I can get Nick to do a video while he is here or I'll get off my lazy @$$ and do it. I think if Nick does it will have a better soundtrack and visual appeal.
A thank you goes out to Verbs, Ric, and Billy O, and Jason Guest for all your help.
P.S. Brunswick themselves do not run the Brunswick booth at nationals, it is run by http://NationalBowlingStore.com
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"Viva la Nacion De Brunswick"
Post by: zone72 on July 03, 2006, 10:45:34 PM
Is that mean the color can affect the ball's reaction?
I already state this before and different idea from
everybody.
Hope to get more info from u.
Zone72
Post by: smash8-10split on July 03, 2006, 10:53:58 PM
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amf300, all the way!
Post by: YeahHossNV on July 03, 2006, 11:08:13 PM
Smash - The releases in August will have more yellow or at least have it more evenly distributed throughout the cover. Like Ric said this is the FIRST three color performance ball, on BRAND NEW coverstock, with BRAND NEW NEVER BEFORE USED MACHINERY at the new plant. They will Adjust everything to get the desired results. Keep in mind you have to start somewhere, then adjust from that.
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"Viva la Nacion De Brunswick"
Post by: thehurricane on July 03, 2006, 11:13:50 PM
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The Wizard could also be a sleeper if not given a chance. It is a little cleaner and a bit more angular than the Nemesis and defiantely looks good.
From YeahHossNV
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Let's look at it this way, different pigments can slightly change the reaction of a ball. For some reason red makes the ball tend to be cleaner throung the front and jump off the spot harder, while blue tends to be earlier and smoother. From what I've seen this week this rings true, the Wizard seems to be earlier and smoother than the Nemesis.
?????
Post by: Walking E on July 03, 2006, 11:15:13 PM
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Post by: YeahHossNV on July 03, 2006, 11:24:54 PM
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"Viva la Nacion De Brunswick"
Post by: YeahHossNV on July 03, 2006, 11:44:36 PM
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"Viva la Nacion De Brunswick"
Post by: mrbowlingnut on July 04, 2006, 12:39:45 AM
Post by: BrunsNick on July 04, 2006, 01:26:19 AM
I told LaW that I'd come up late Tuesday night and he's like "only if you're sleeping with Ric" Eww... nobody sleeps with Ric.
So Wednesday it is!
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Brunswick -=- PBA 03-06
http://www.BrunsNick.com
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Post by: TheDude on July 04, 2006, 09:58:07 AM
and yeah .." No wants to sleep with ric....." LOL JK!
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Post by: smash8-10split on July 04, 2006, 10:49:58 AM
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Am I the only one who thinks the ball looks kinda ugly? The blue and chrome portion look OK, but I don't like that yellow at all. Almost makes it look like a cousin of the Robo Rule (which is unsightly).
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have you even seen a robo rule???
it looks NOTHING like it..WOW
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on July 04, 2006, 11:20:31 AM
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Post by: BrunsMike on July 04, 2006, 11:26:39 AM
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Mike Zadler
NE Lake County IL
Sanctioned Highs:
775 Series/288 Game
Sanct. Ave. (Ending 2006) 198 (THS)
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?ms=12886&mp=552&s=2005-2006
PBA/Sport Highs: Game 225, Series 602.
Post by: BallsDeep on July 04, 2006, 01:18:39 PM
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Post by: RSalas on July 05, 2006, 09:56:26 AM
Just out of curiosity, exactly what kind of answer would Ric or anyone else from Brunswick have to give the two of you in order satisfy you?
Maybe the two of you are experts in polymers. Maybe you're just generally more intelligent than the rest of us. However, when I see that the Red reacts differently than a polished Strike, and the Wizard reacts differently than the Nemesis...well, that's enough for simple ol' me.
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Post by: BallsDeep on July 05, 2006, 10:38:48 AM
Rich sees a great deal of Big B balls in testing and just generally in his job. He can see a fresh Nemesis drilled the same as a fresh Wizard with the same finish, so he has a perspective that the typical bowler cannot see. I'm not saying necessarily that he lied, but being a Brunswick Staffer may make him biased, so considering this, I fall back on my knowledge, that the BVP Nemesis and the BVP Wizard are said to be of the same composition. I would like to have a scientific reason for a difference in reaction. As was shown already in this thread, some have different perspectives, Wizard earlier and smoother than the Nemesis or Wizard later and stronger than the Nemesis. It seems like they're merely the same.
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Post by: MegaMav on July 05, 2006, 03:12:05 PM
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What would make me happy is if BrunsRich or SOMEONE from Brunswick would either A) own up to the fact that yes, we were initially correct
you must think Brunswick is not aware that the initial perception that they are identical.
from my experience, factory polishing is vastly different than aftermarket polishing.
Brunswick isnt stupid, they've been in this business for WAYYYY too long to make a production mistake as obvious as just changing colors and slapping a new label on the ball.
There must be a difference between the two, significant enough to produce an entirely new ball.
give this ball some time to shake out before jumping all over Brunswick.
if you havent thrown both balls yourself, i think you shouldnt be allowed to speculate the similarity between the two.
Post by: RSalas on July 05, 2006, 03:23:24 PM
I would like to add, though, that the ball reactions that Brunswick sees at their test facility probably won't exactly match those that we see at our local centers. As we all well know, house shots can have that uncanny ability to make bowling balls that are designed to yield different reactions look the same or nearly so. So it wouldn't surprise me at all that, for some number of bowlers, on some number of conditions, a Red might just be too much like a polished Strike to warrant owning both, and likewise with the Nemesis and the Wizard. However, from the reports I've been hearing from the Senior stops, there does seem to be a place in the bag for these new pieces--for some bowlers, at least.
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Post by: BallsDeep on July 05, 2006, 05:01:11 PM
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What would make me happy is if BrunsRich or SOMEONE from Brunswick would either A) own up to the fact that yes, we were initially correct
you must think Brunswick is not aware that the initial perception that they are identical.
from my experience, factory polishing is vastly different than aftermarket polishing.
Brunswick isnt stupid, they've been in this business for WAYYYY too long to make a production mistake as obvious as just changing colors and slapping a new label on the ball.
There must be a difference between the two, significant enough to produce an entirely new ball.
give this ball some time to shake out before jumping all over Brunswick.
if you havent thrown both balls yourself, i think you shouldnt be allowed to speculate the similarity between the two.
I personally mentioned, (as did twoheadedboy) that the Factory polish could create a difference between the Strike and Red as factory polish is different than polishing the ball on a spinner. I personally do not think this difference vast as you put it however, it is slight. Even this being so what is the difference between the Wizard and the Nemesis?
These answers still have not been given on a level that could even be considered as satisfactory. I will jump on Brunswick because either a) the balls are the same and Brunswick has essentially shown no innovation and tried to pull the wool over the eyes of the common ball consumer or b) they have mis reported the technical aspects of the balls in question.
Although some people like myself go out onto this forum and to the sites of various companies, most people buy based on either the reputation of a ball (a la the One from Ebonite), buy based on the general info of a ball (pearl/solid or high diff/rg, low diff/rg, etc.), or there are those that buy based on color. None of these people ecept possibly the more perceptive of the second category will question the new good looking ball.
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Post by: El Capitán on July 05, 2006, 05:06:56 PM
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Post by: MegaMav on July 05, 2006, 05:15:54 PM
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BallsDeep
looking at your profile, you own a strike zone.
do you own a Red Zone as well?
Post by: BallsDeep on July 05, 2006, 05:20:56 PM
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Post by: MegaMav on July 05, 2006, 05:33:53 PM
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NO I don't have a Red Zone
so how can you judge a release that...
#1 you havent seen with your own eyes
#2 you havent thrown it
answer the above, if you cant, then maybe you'll understand why Brunswick reps wont answer your inquiry.
Hearsay!
Post by: a_ak57 on July 05, 2006, 06:39:41 PM
And I'm not defending the difference between said balls, I'm just telling you why Ric can't truly tell you WHY they'd be different. Well, without a LONG explanation regarding chemistry and compounds that most people probably wouldn't understand. Honestly, it's like asking them why is Activator different than PK18. Now, with that said, I really doubt we'd see a difference between them on a house shot. Considering a THS can make med-light balls look the same as med-heavy...
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Post by: BallsDeep on July 05, 2006, 08:08:15 PM
Saying that there is a slight difference in the makeup of the cover would be enough. Perhaps there is a slight hint of pearl, or at least something to differentiate the Strike from the Red. For example, Mo has made it known that the C4 enhanced reactive is a modified pk 18, modified to provide more friction and overall hook. The C4 enhanced reactive is also said to have been fine tuned for each of the balls its been on. That the TS&A C4 is stronger than the TA C4 is a fact that Mo has passed on through numerous pro shops, and has filtered down to the more interested of us.
If Rich or some other tech were to say that the cover was altered from the Activator on the Strike would satisfy my thirst for knowledge and spurr me on to watch more of them being thrown and to consider it as a possible future ball choice.
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Post by: applegam on July 05, 2006, 08:23:15 PM
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Post by: Joe Jr on July 06, 2006, 11:08:00 PM
That's all we'd like to know.
Either way, there's a Red Zone in the shop with my name on it, waiting to be drilled, and depending how I do this weekend, I might just drill the other one.
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Formerly Richard Cranium
www.Brunswickbowling.com
www.Brunswickinsiders.com
House shots are killing this sport.
Post by: BallsDeep on July 07, 2006, 09:33:08 AM
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Post by: RSalas on July 07, 2006, 09:49:56 AM
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Post by: BallsDeep on July 07, 2006, 10:11:05 AM
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Post by: BackToBasics on July 07, 2006, 10:56:33 AM
As I think back over my favorite balls, most of my favorite smoother reacting balls were dark colored..black/purple/blue. Balls like the Blue Aftershock, Rhino Pro LE, RSX, Classic Zone, Arsenal Agressive, Purple Beast, V2, LT 48. The more skid/snap balls were red based. Maybe just a coincidence but could this tidbit alone cause a difference in reaction between the RZ/SZ? Don't know. I'm a Software Engineer, not a Chemical
but it would be interesting to know.Edited on 7/7/2006 10:57 AM
Post by: BallsDeep on July 07, 2006, 11:59:08 AM
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Post by: Dean Richards on July 07, 2006, 02:41:02 PM
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Post by: BallsDeep on July 14, 2006, 12:00:17 AM
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