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rattlesnake

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Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
« on: February 07, 2013, 11:27:25 AM »
Big Tom Hess and the rest of the Brunswick team are second to none!

 

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Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2013, 10:07:42 PM »
You forget to mention the fact that Hess won his major with storm and Smallwood won his major with columbia 300
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Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2013, 01:38:55 AM »
You forget to mention the fact that Hess won his major with storm and Smallwood won his major with columbia 300

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Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2013, 07:08:02 AM »
Storm's loss was Big B's gain, baby!

Let's hear from Walking E. "War of the Gargantua's".

You forget to mention the fact that Hess won his major with storm and Smallwood won his major with columbia 300

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Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2013, 11:45:35 AM »
Depends how you look at it. Brunswick is paying him and storm would not. So it is costing them money.

FYI I have nothing against Hess and have lots of Brunswick equipment. I just enjoy putting holes in your theory
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Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2013, 01:11:05 PM »
No theory. Just stating facts. No other company ties itself to regional stars. The competition only wants the big names.

Big B and its staff are rock stars. And Big Hess is a great guy to boot.

Depends how you look at it. Brunswick is paying him and storm would not. So it is costing them money.

FYI I have nothing against Hess and have lots of Brunswick equipment. I just enjoy putting holes in your theory

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Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2013, 08:23:41 AM »
Your not making any sense, you say the competition just wants the big names and Brunswick doesn't.Dan Maclelland no titles is columbia 300 pro staff. Mitch Beasley is with Track and has not titles. Brian Kretzer was national staff already with roto grip when he won his first title. But somehow brunswick wants the regional players. Tom Hess, Tom Smallwood, Ryan cimenelli, and Jason Sterner all had to win a title for brunswick to give them a contract. So you have it backwards, once there a star they get signed.
No theory. Just stating facts. No other company ties itself to regional stars. The competition only wants the big names.



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Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2013, 08:50:56 AM »
Of course, he's not making any sense.  Just a fanboy of regional bowlers.
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Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2013, 02:27:51 PM »
Soonerdallas,

You are entitled to your opinion but I can poke so many holes in your post.

I would start by pointing out that I never said Brunswick didn't want big names too.  Just look at Walter Ray and PBIII.

What I said was they are the only company with a stable of regional stars. Smallwood, Hess, and Sterner are regional STARS.

A couple of the examples you cite attempting to refute my claim are horrible examples. Kretzer is no star, he's a scrub. No disrespect intended but he's not in the same class as a guy like Big Hess. Also, anyone close to the industry knows the only reason Roto Grip has Kretzer on staff is because he's buddies with Robert Dong and Lee Upp. Come on, now. After the scandal last year where Lee Upp pulled the wool over Turbo's eyes while he was actually selling for Vise, I'm surprised Roto Grip even considers that guy employable. Kretzer has hooked his wagon to those guys probably because he otherwise couldnt land a staff position. But why else would a scrub like Kretzer be on staff if not for who he knows at the company?

Now I don't really care what Roto Grip or Vise does. Everyone knows Vise is the most unethical company out there. I'm only here to state that Brunswick staffers are solid, they're regional stars, and Brunswick rocks.


Your not making any sense, you say the competition just wants the big names and Brunswick doesn't.Dan Maclelland no titles is columbia 300 pro staff. Mitch Beasley is with Track and has not titles. Brian Kretzer was national staff already with roto grip when he won his first title. But somehow brunswick wants the regional players. Tom Hess, Tom Smallwood, Ryan cimenelli, and Jason Sterner all had to win a title for brunswick to give them a contract. So you have it backwards, once there a star they get signed.
No theory. Just stating facts. No other company ties itself to regional stars. The competition only wants the big names.

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Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2013, 02:33:16 PM »
Yeah Kretzer is a scrub http://www.pba.com/Bowlers/Bowler/5457  In my opinion he's had a ton of success both regionally and on the the national tour joined in 2001 I believe

now compare the number to Tom Hess http://www.pba.com/Bowlers/Bowler/9237
not even close in my opinion, except for winning a major title. Hess joined in 2003





Soonerdallas,

You are entitled to your opinion but I can poke so many holes in your post.

I would start by pointing out that I never said Brunswick didn't want big names too.  Just look at Walter Ray and PBIII.

What I said was they are the only company with a stable of regional stars. Smallwood, Hess, and Sterner are regional STARS.

A couple of the examples you cite attempting to refute my claim are horrible examples. Kretzer is no star, he's a scrub. No disrespect intended but he's not in the same class as a guy like Big Hess. Also, anyone close to the industry knows the only reason Roto Grip has Kretzer on staff is because he's buddies with Robert Dong and Lee Upp. Come on, now. After the scandal last year where Lee Upp pulled the wool over Turbo's eyes while he was actually selling for Vise, I'm surprised Roto Grip even considers that guy employable. Kretzer has hooked his wagon to those guys probably because he otherwise couldnt land a staff position. But why else would a scrub like Kretzer be on staff if not for who he knows at the company?

Now I don't really care what Roto Grip or Vise does. Everyone knows Vise is the most unethical company out there. I'm only here to state that Brunswick staffers are solid, they're regional stars, and Brunswick rocks.


Your not making any sense, you say the competition just wants the big names and Brunswick doesn't.Dan Maclelland no titles is columbia 300 pro staff. Mitch Beasley is with Track and has not titles. Brian Kretzer was national staff already with roto grip when he won his first title. But somehow brunswick wants the regional players. Tom Hess, Tom Smallwood, Ryan cimenelli, and Jason Sterner all had to win a title for brunswick to give them a contract. So you have it backwards, once there a star they get signed.
No theory. Just stating facts. No other company ties itself to regional stars. The competition only wants the big names.

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Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2013, 04:04:01 PM »
Ah so, now the ugly truth is starting to ooze out.  This guy, rattlesnake, is more than likely the re-incarnation of the turd known as The Beast.  I really thought this site had cleaned itself out but it looks like it's impossible to prevent someone with a new IP address to join back up, no matter how reprehensible he was.  To the ignore list he goes for sure. 
Long Gone also posts the honest truth which is why i respect him. He posts these things knowing some may not like it.

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Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2013, 04:47:15 PM »
storm making it rain,

I stand corrected. Bad choice of words calling Kretzer a scrub. His credentials are strong.

My point to Sooner was addressing him saying Kretzer was added to Roto's staff PRIOR to winning on the largest stage. My contention is he was added due to cronyism. After he won, different story. But certainly the guy has strong creds.

As I said, I'm not here to discuss Roto Grip. I simply think the Big B team is second to none.

Yeah Kretzer is a scrub http://www.pba.com/Bowlers/Bowler/5457  In my opinion he's had a ton of success both regionally and on the the national tour joined in 2001 I believe

now compare the number to Tom Hess http://www.pba.com/Bowlers/Bowler/9237
not even close in my opinion, except for winning a major title. Hess joined in 2003





Soonerdallas,

You are entitled to your opinion but I can poke so many holes in your post.

I would start by pointing out that I never said Brunswick didn't want big names too.  Just look at Walter Ray and PBIII.

What I said was they are the only company with a stable of regional stars. Smallwood, Hess, and Sterner are regional STARS.

A couple of the examples you cite attempting to refute my claim are horrible examples. Kretzer is no star, he's a scrub. No disrespect intended but he's not in the same class as a guy like Big Hess. Also, anyone close to the industry knows the only reason Roto Grip has Kretzer on staff is because he's buddies with Robert Dong and Lee Upp. Come on, now. After the scandal last year where Lee Upp pulled the wool over Turbo's eyes while he was actually selling for Vise, I'm surprised Roto Grip even considers that guy employable. Kretzer has hooked his wagon to those guys probably because he otherwise couldnt land a staff position. But why else would a scrub like Kretzer be on staff if not for who he knows at the company?

Now I don't really care what Roto Grip or Vise does. Everyone knows Vise is the most unethical company out there. I'm only here to state that Brunswick staffers are solid, they're regional stars, and Brunswick rocks.


Your not making any sense, you say the competition just wants the big names and Brunswick doesn't.Dan Maclelland no titles is columbia 300 pro staff. Mitch Beasley is with Track and has not titles. Brian Kretzer was national staff already with roto grip when he won his first title. But somehow brunswick wants the regional players. Tom Hess, Tom Smallwood, Ryan cimenelli, and Jason Sterner all had to win a title for brunswick to give them a contract. So you have it backwards, once there a star they get signed.
No theory. Just stating facts. No other company ties itself to regional stars. The competition only wants the big names.

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Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2013, 07:11:55 PM »
Big B team is 2nd to none.

Because they are like last.

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Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2013, 07:41:19 AM »
Ah, no denial to being called The Beast, eh "rattlesnake"

Everybody, I urge you to strongly ignore whatever else this guy posts.  This is the guy who stirred up all the Vise vs. Turbo crap for about two years and made a mess of the site.  Anything he posts, just let it die a well deserved and ignored death.  You can see he's not posting anything of substance, just cheerleading for some regional "stars" on Brunswick's staff.  He's now starting to get what he wants with some of the responses saying "Storm is best, Brunswick sucks". 

Don't play his game.  Ignore him.   
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Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2013, 07:59:48 AM »
Allow me to counter the last poster's (Long Gone Daddy) post.

I don't know what Long Gone Daddy's beef is with this rattlesnake guy. Most of Long Gone Daddy's previous post reads like a blathering rant, which is his typical M.O. The truth is this guy Long Gone Daddy stalks posters in the unmoderated, non-bowling threads. Now he's evidently stooping to stalking and chasing guys around legit bowling threads and denigrating their opinions.

He's the guy--Long Gone Daddy--that constantly makes a mess of this site, and he's the guy you need to ignore!!!

I apologize on Long Gone Daddy's behalf, since he won't, for interrupting your debate.
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Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2013, 09:18:01 AM »
Listen, clown.  I'm not debating you in this forum.  Ask your buddy, Milo.  He'll fill you in.  We would appreciate it if you would keep your crap in the non moderated forum from now on.   
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